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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 12:28:34 GMT
To be honest Hugo, oldgas is trying to provoke a debate on what happened over a decade ago. It's a bit of a "dead man's bounce" and you never ever bring austerity starting in 2010 in any of your postings do you Oldie. You are a hypocrite. and you never mention political acts that took place in the 1960's (especially in regard to Iran) as the blame for current affairs do you. You are a hypocrite. Oh do f**k off Nobby. Are you just intent to try and poison every thread with what appears to be an inferiority complex driven anger and lashing out? I bring austerity policies into a debate because it is those policies whose impact we are currently witnessing. Now, unless you have something to say which is worthy of debate, something based upon verifiable fact then I suggest you take a couple of blood pressure tablets and calm down.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 12:53:45 GMT
and you never ever bring austerity starting in 2010 in any of your postings do you Oldie. You are a hypocrite. and you never mention political acts that took place in the 1960's (especially in regard to Iran) as the blame for current affairs do you. You are a hypocrite. Oh do f**k off Nobby. Are you just intent to try and poison every thread with what appears to be an inferiority complex driven anger and lashing out? I bring austerity policies into a debate because it is those policies whose impact we are currently witnessing. Now, unless you have something to say which is worthy of debate, something based upon verifiable fact then I suggest you take a couple of blood pressure tablets and calm down. You dismiss someone else's post claiming that it's ten years old, so not relevant, yet you yourself constantly bring up things from ten years ago (and longer) to back up your views. Why is it no good for someone else, but ok for you? I certainly do not have any inferiority complex, but thanks for your expert diagnosis.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 13:59:03 GMT
There is some big trouble brewing between the ECB/EU and the German Constitutional Court. Keeps your eyes open and your lugholes pinned back.
Basically, the German Constitutional Court has ruled that the ECB have overstepped their remit regarding spending dosh, and that the Bundestag (German Parliament) should not get involved in the plan. So, you have an ECB/EU Financial Rescue Package, without any money from Germany. If that happens, the Financial Plan is wrecked. It's needs German money.
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Post by oldgas on May 5, 2020 18:45:20 GMT
Tories sold off British Gas, British Airways, National Rail, British Telecom, Council Houses and they would like to finish off the Post Office and would not be surprised if the NHS is next. To be honest Hugo, oldgas is trying to provoke a debate on what happened over a decade ago. It's a bit of a "dead man's bounce" I'm referring to what happened over a decade ago because they were things perpetrated by a Labour government. I have nothing more recent to comment on because the British people have had the good sense to keep the financially illiterate morons away from power. As as for the Conservative government selling off various nationalised industries, those industries have performed far better under private ownership than they ever did when nationalised. The Conservatives have no more intention of selling off the NHS than Labour, you know, the government that introduced PFI hospitals That, Hugo, is just a worn out Labour mantra that no-one, not even you, if you were being honest, actually believes. The only mistake was selling off council houses, but then again they offered people who would never have been able to be property owners the chance to buy their own home. I know that being independent and not reliant on the state in the very antithis of socialism, and it was a well meaning policy but the sold off properties weren't replaced. There was therefore a lack of social housing as a result, a situation that was exacerbated when the useless government of the war criminal Blair threw the borders open to anyone and everyone. Cue red-faced, foaming-mouthed condemnation by the Socialist Stasi.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 7:41:06 GMT
Back to the trouble in Germany. Is this a big story? Well, you could have knocked me down with a feather when the main news show at 8pm opened last night with this story, and not COVID-19 stuff! Yes, this was the main story on the news. For more info :- German news
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Post by oldgas on May 6, 2020 11:23:45 GMT
Back to the trouble in Germany. Is this a big story? Well, you could have knocked me down with a feather when the main news show at 8pm opened last night with this story, and not COVID-19 stuff! Yes, this was the main story on the news. For more info :- German newsA further indication of the dishonesty and Franco-German bias of the EU is the story today that France is to be allowed to bail out Air France. Well, how about that? This is the same EU that refused the British government permission to give state aid to British steel. Instead it had to be sold off to the bloody Chinese in order to save all those jobs and our manufacturing base. I wonder what all those left wing Labour and EU supporting heros who post on here would have to say about all this? Not very much I would I would imagine, except for putting their fingers in their ears and singing 'La la la la la"
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 12:24:39 GMT
Back to the trouble in Germany. Is this a big story? Well, you could have knocked me down with a feather when the main news show at 8pm opened last night with this story, and not COVID-19 stuff! Yes, this was the main story on the news. For more info :- German newsA further indication of the dishonesty and Franco-German bias of the EU is the story today that France is to be allowed to bail out Air France. Well, how about that? This is the same EU that refused the British government permission to give state aid to British steel. Instead it had to be sold off to the bloody Chinese in order to save all those jobs and our manufacturing base. I wonder what all those left wing Labour and EU supporting heros who post on here would have to say about all this? Not very much I would I would imagine, except for putting their fingers in their ears and singing 'La la la la la" The Germans are also finalizing a 10 billion euro deal to bail-out Lufthansa.
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Post by oldgas on May 6, 2020 12:35:52 GMT
A further indication of the dishonesty and Franco-German bias of the EU is the story today that France is to be allowed to bail out Air France. Well, how about that? This is the same EU that refused the British government permission to give state aid to British steel. Instead it had to be sold off to the bloody Chinese in order to save all those jobs and our manufacturing base. I wonder what all those left wing Labour and EU supporting heros who post on here would have to say about all this? Not very much I would I would imagine, except for putting their fingers in their ears and singing 'La la la la la" The Germans are also finalizing a 10 billion euro deal to bail-out Lufthansa. From reading that article on Germany buying Eurobonds it would appear probable that the EU will pretend to consider the German courts decision before telling Germany that EU law and its courts have precedence and that they should pay up and shut up! And to think there are quislings on this forum who would support that happening to the UK! We're celebrating the 75yr anniversary of VE Day this week. Makes you wonder if it was all worthwhile really.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 12:43:22 GMT
The Germans are also finalizing a 10 billion euro deal to bail-out Lufthansa. From reading that article on Germany buying Eurobonds it would appear probable that the EU will pretend to consider the German courts decision before telling Germany that EU law and its courts have precedence and that they should pay up and shut up! And to think there are quislings on this forum who would support that happening to the UK! We're celebrating the 75yr anniversary of VE Day this week. Makes you wonder if it was all worthwhile really. That won't happen. The German Constitutional Court is just saying that the ECB/EU have gone beyond the remit of the ECB, and that this scheme is illegal. They are saying that the ECB/EU can continue to do it, but without the Bundesbank, therefore, they will stop the Bundesbank from participating in the scheme. The ECB/EU cannot force the Bundesbank to do it if the German Constitutional Court calls it illegal. The German Constitutional Courts are really powerful. No amount of political 'persuasion' will work on them. It was set-up this way after WW2 to stop just that. They are highly respected, and very powerful. If they say 'no' there is nothing Merkel or anyone can do about it.
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Post by stuart1974 on May 6, 2020 14:44:00 GMT
Back to the trouble in Germany. Is this a big story? Well, you could have knocked me down with a feather when the main news show at 8pm opened last night with this story, and not COVID-19 stuff! Yes, this was the main story on the news. For more info :- German newsA further indication of the dishonesty and Franco-German bias of the EU is the story today that France is to be allowed to bail out Air France. Well, how about that? This is the same EU that refused the British government permission to give state aid to British steel. Instead it had to be sold off to the bloody Chinese in order to save all those jobs and our manufacturing base. I wonder what all those left wing Labour and EU supporting heros who post on here would have to say about all this? Not very much I would I would imagine, except for putting their fingers in their ears and singing 'La la la la la" Not sure the EU refused permission unless I am misremembering, there was plenty of scope within the state aid rules to help more but the government chose not to. There will be rules under WTO and any future trade deals we strike, just questions of degree. In terms of the pensions issue raised before, I agree to a point but the value and benefit of pensions have fallen under governments of all colours.
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Post by oldgas on May 7, 2020 10:21:32 GMT
I don't think there was any refusal because we didn't ask. We just accepted that EU competition laws blocked a state bail out and stood aside.
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Post by stuart1974 on May 7, 2020 11:11:52 GMT
I don't think there was any refusal because we didn't ask. We just accepted that EU competition laws blocked a state bail out and stood aside. That makes it our fault then as it wasn't the case. There was plenty of headroom to help but we chose not to.
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Post by peterparker on May 13, 2020 20:21:39 GMT
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Post by oldgas on May 14, 2020 10:10:02 GMT
EU grandstanding. They're determined to make BREXIT as difficult as possible to deter other nations from leaving the EU. Once it all calms down when we're properly out, these customs checks will be quietly shelved. The EU will have more important things to worry about than continuing some face-saving charade.
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Post by peterparker on May 14, 2020 10:22:46 GMT
EU grandstanding. They're determined to make BREXIT as difficult as possible to deter other nations from leaving the EU. Once it all calms down when we're properly out, these customs checks will be quietly shelved. The EU will have more important things to worry about than continuing some face-saving charade. so when we are properly out and it calms down possibly diverging from EUR regs and standards, customs checks will be shelved from Ireland to the UK and Vice versa
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Post by peterparker on May 14, 2020 10:32:26 GMT
Accidentally on purpose?
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Post by oldgas on May 14, 2020 13:12:30 GMT
EU grandstanding. They're determined to make BREXIT as difficult as possible to deter other nations from leaving the EU. Once it all calms down when we're properly out, these customs checks will be quietly shelved. The EU will have more important things to worry about than continuing some face-saving charade. so when we are properly out and it calms down possibly diverging from EUR regs and standards, customs checks will be shelved from Ireland to the UK and Vice versa I think so yes. Because it will be pointless, and I don't think even the EU will do pointless to that degree.
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Post by peterparker on May 14, 2020 14:58:10 GMT
so when we are properly out and it calms down possibly diverging from EUR regs and standards, customs checks will be shelved from Ireland to the UK and Vice versa I think so yes. Because it will be pointless, and I don't think even the EU will do pointless to that degree. you are just a WUM. you can't honestly believe what you just wrote
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 16:03:28 GMT
I think so yes. Because it will be pointless, and I don't think even the EU will do pointless to that degree. you are just a WUM. you can't honestly believe what you just wrote Whale Sperm Simon, Whale Sperm.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 16:45:24 GMT
I do believe that the EU is doing it's very best to implode at the moment.
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