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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 19:26:18 GMT
It was a major theme but is suspect a lot of leavers voted to keep out Somalians and Syrians. Get your head round that. I know. We know what that is don't we Back to insulting anyone who had a different view and painting them as racist thicko's. Very classy. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 19:27:04 GMT
No idea. I'd rather use my own eyes and listen to the experiences of real people than concentrate on unemployment figures. Ha ha ha. Classic. The numbers don't support my argument so I will make it up. Trump would love you. I'm sorry, but where have I made something up? Do you seriously believe unemployment figures are really accurate? Now you try deflection by comparing me to a 'Trump supporter'. Is that the best you can come up with? Really? |
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Post by jaggas on Aug 1, 2018 19:30:08 GMT
What countries would these be Oldie? I am sure if the UK was a country that was subsidised by more successful richer nations because we were poor we would think the EU is great and wouldn`t understand the fuss if a country that subsidised every other country were fed up with it and wanted out......We holiday in Portugal every year and have done for the last 15 years for 2 weeks over the whitsun period.A couple of years ago just before the referendum while in Portugal many people were talking about the referendum and the Portugese folk had no idea that all the EU investment into Portugal came from UK and German taxpayers and for paying all that money in the UK was told what it could and couldn`t do regarding fishing, farming,driving and many other things...........Why would people like your friends living in one of 26 nations that are subsidised by the UK wonder what all the fuss is about when they are not paying? Mainly, France, Holland, Belgium and a few in Germany. Does that answer your question? Yes so from the countries you mention only one is a net contributor to the EU while the rest are from scrounging nations subsidised by the UK.That answers my question perfectly thanks. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 1, 2018 19:30:25 GMT
Really? Immigration was not a major theme? Control of our borders, etc. Of course Immigration was a major point, but it wasn't about people who actually worked. It was more to do with the ones that arrive just to claim benefits ! Yes, controlling the borders and allowing people with needed skills to come, while keeping out the wasters was a major talking point. Of the 5 family members who voted Leave, for each one it was about immigration and taking jobs. Not one did so for reasons of taking benefits. For one, it was about reducing house prices through lower demand, forgetting that another way to bring prices and availability under control was to build more, for which we need skilled labour. The irony was lost. |
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Post by jaggas on Aug 1, 2018 19:31:54 GMT
I know. We know what that is don't we Back to insulting anyone who had a different view and painting them as racist thicko's. Very classy. Ignore him mate he is a troll and a parody account. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Aug 1, 2018 19:40:35 GMT
Back to insulting anyone who had a different view and painting them as racist thicko's. Very classy. Ignore him mate he is a troll and a parody account. Oh the irony |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 1, 2018 19:51:51 GMT
43 years on and project fear is the same now as it was then.Peter Shore a Labour politician had it bang on and his words ring true now.  And that Enoch fellow was visionary too.  |
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Post by jaggas on Aug 1, 2018 20:17:51 GMT
He certainly was as was Tony Benn.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 20:24:28 GMT
Of course. China as has already been pointed out and under WTO rules and tariffs. Given what happened when we went "cheap" in the 70s and 80s with blood products, you trust that?? Yes I do have trust. I make that statement despite being on permanent medical treatment through eight weekly intravenous infusions and three other daily drugs so totally take this issue seriously and not use it as a political football. I have total belief that anything imported from outside your beloved EU will be of adequate standard. My views on the EU when it comes to your medical care are not relevant. What is relevant is the quality and cost of imported drugs or equipment. The fact remains that there is no reciprocal agreement on quality standards with China, there is also no trade agreement. As such the latter may or may not cause import tariffs. I have not checked if that would be the case or not. Either way, may I take this opportunity to wish you well. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 20:26:14 GMT
Back to insulting anyone who had a different view and painting them as racist thicko's. Very classy. Ignore him mate he is a troll and a parody account. Ha ha. Indeed, the irony. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 20:27:55 GMT
Of course Immigration was a major point, but it wasn't about people who actually worked. It was more to do with the ones that arrive just to claim benefits ! Yes, controlling the borders and allowing people with needed skills to come, while keeping out the wasters was a major talking point. Of the 5 family members who voted Leave, for each one it was about immigration and taking jobs. Not one did so for reasons of taking benefits. For one, it was about reducing house prices through lower demand, forgetting that another way to bring prices and availability under control was to build more, for which we need skilled labour. The irony was lost. Totally. It's unbelievable really isn't it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 20:39:38 GMT
Mainly, France, Holland, Belgium and a few in Germany. Does that answer your question? Yes so from the countries you mention only one is a net contributor to the EU while the rest are from scrounging nations subsidised by the UK.That answers my question perfectly thanks. My information to 2016 The UK is the eighth largest net contributor to the EU, meaning we pay more into Europe than we receive – to the tune of €7.1bn. The Netherlands, Sweden, Germany, Denmark, Finland, Austria and France have an even larger net contribution than the UK, but many more countries are reaping the financial rewards of EU membership. What's yours to justify your statement? |
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Post by jaggas on Aug 1, 2018 20:46:20 GMT
Both pro common market until they saw the con long before anyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 20:46:48 GMT
Ha ha ha. Classic. The numbers don't support my argument so I will make it up. Trump would love you. I'm sorry, but where have I made something up? Do you seriously believe unemployment figures are really accurate? Now you try deflection by comparing me to a 'Trump supporter'. Is that the best you can come up with? Really? Ok. So what you are suggesting is that all the statistics that come out from central government are untrue, not accurate. Now I accept a 1% here or there but nothing like enough to justify your very broad claim that immigrants come here to claim benefits to a degree which is statistically relevant. So pray tell, other than "down the pub" anecdotal stories, how do you justify ypur assertion? Serious question |
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Post by jaggas on Aug 1, 2018 20:49:33 GMT
Yes so from the countries you mention only one is a net contributor to the EU while the rest are from scrounging nations subsidised by the UK.That answers my question perfectly thanks. My information to 2016 The UK is the eighth largest net contributor to the EU, meaning we pay more into Europe than we receive – to the tune of €7.1bn. The Netherlands, Sweden, Germany, Denmark, Finland, Austria and France have an even larger net contribution than the UK, but many more countries are reaping the financial rewards of EU membership. What's yours to justify your statement? Have they been net contributors since the day they joined or have they been takers for the majority of their membership??? Take your time Les. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 1, 2018 20:54:16 GMT
Ha ha ha. Classic. The numbers don't support my argument so I will make it up. Trump would love you. I'm sorry, but where have I made something up? Do you seriously believe unemployment figures are really accurate? Now you try deflection by comparing me to a 'Trump supporter'. Is that the best you can come up with? Really? Understand you may not believe the unemployment figures but that should apply to all government statistics and presumably you have the same view on the immigration figures. After all, they would be compiled in a similar methodology. We either take them all at face value allowing for some degree of variation and inaccuracy or we don't accept any. If it is the latter then we can only form an opinion based on our own experiences and the anecdotal evidence we are made aware of or search out. Which brings me back to the comment I made earlier, how many of us truly made a decision based on the evidence and how accurate or reliable was that evidence? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 20:55:37 GMT
Yes so from the countries you mention only one is a net contributor to the EU while the rest are from scrounging nations subsidised by the UK.That answers my question perfectly thanks. My information to 2016 The UK is the eighth largest net contributor to the EU, meaning we pay more into Europe than we receive – to the tune of €7.1bn. The Netherlands, Sweden, Germany, Denmark, Finland, Austria and France have an even larger net contribution than the UK, but many more countries are reaping the financial rewards of EU membership. What's yours to justify your statement? So my source is here. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8036097.stm#startYours? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 20:57:45 GMT
I'm sorry, but where have I made something up? Do you seriously believe unemployment figures are really accurate? Now you try deflection by comparing me to a 'Trump supporter'. Is that the best you can come up with? Really? Understand you may not believe the unemployment figures but that should apply to all government statistics and presumably you have the same view on the immigration figures. After all, they would be compiled in a similar methodology. We either take them all at face value allowing for some degree of variation and inaccuracy or we don't accept any. If it is the latter then we can only form an opinion based on our own experiences and the anecdotal evidence we are made aware of or search out. Which brings me back to the comment I made earlier, how many of us truly made a decision based on the evidence and how accurate or reliable was that evidence? That would be an interesting admission by most, including me (for the avoidance of doubt) |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 1, 2018 20:59:52 GMT
I'm sorry, but where have I made something up? Do you seriously believe unemployment figures are really accurate? Now you try deflection by comparing me to a 'Trump supporter'. Is that the best you can come up with? Really? Understand you may not believe the unemployment figures but that should apply to all government statistics and presumably you have the same view on the immigration figures. After all, they would be compiled in a similar methodology. We either take them all at face value allowing for some degree of variation and inaccuracy or we don't accept any. If it is the latter then we can only form an opinion based on our own experiences and the anecdotal evidence we are made aware of or search out. Which brings me back to the comment I made earlier, how many of us truly made a decision based on the evidence and how accurate or reliable was that evidence? The facts I'm using are true. The other facts are made up. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 1, 2018 21:00:14 GMT
Of course. China as has already been pointed out and under WTO rules and tariffs. Given what happened when we went "cheap" in the 70s and 80s with blood products, you trust that?? Yes I do have trust. I make that statement despite being on permanent medical treatment through eight weekly intravenous infusions and three other daily drugs so totally take this issue seriously and not use it as a political football. I have total belief that anything imported from outside your beloved EU will be of adequate standard. My sister in law is concerned (worried would be probably too strong at this stage). Not so much about quality, although controls need to be in place, but over supply and costs. She was a Type 1 diabetic for 40 years until a successful transplant, is a pharmacist and voted Leave. |
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