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Post by oldgas on Nov 28, 2020 12:42:30 GMT
Err, I think you'll find that being in the EU meant we were never free to pursue tailored trade deals with other countries. I would call that interference, wouldn't you? I think it's quite sad that there are people in this country who were happy to allow us to be run from a small place in Belgium and swallow all their rules and regulations and surrender our national sovereignty. Did you read that, in the midst of all that's happening at the moment, we had to hand over an additional sum of Money to the EU because of our successful economy? We handed over in excess of a billion quid. Think how much we would be on the hook for the Covid recovery fund. I wonder how much of that we'd have got back? Oh, and in passing, not one of you EU lovers have had anything to say in response to my comments about Hungary and Poland holding up the ratification of the next 7 years budget. Plenty of jumping on the communal bandwagon and taking the water out of everything I say, but head in the sand when asked about EU problems. Marxism at its finest there chaps. Not the way you set it up. We signed up and agreed to the EU/single market, so they weren't interfering - we'd willingly stopped ourselves from signing independent trade deals. Take some ownership, rather than blaming it on the big bad evil EU. How were we run by a small place in Belgium? What rules and regulations were we forced to accept that we couldn't say no to? If any of them were so bad, why don't we rip them up when leaving and decide on our own? We seem to be copying the exact rules and regs we have in place, which suggests (as we didn't veto them) we wanted them. As you've ignored Stuarts comments about specific rules, I'm guessing you're just making it up. Unless you can actually prove otherwise? I hadn't read that we handed a billion quid, did you read that Brexit has already cost us more than our entire paying into the EU? What about the care package they're getting, we'd have received funding from that. Instead we've broken a new record for debt, highest deaths, highest cases, 3rd highest deaths per million, one of the worst affected GDP and record unemployment. I don't remember reading any of your comments about Hungary and Poland, please do share them again. You've never once replied about the rules we were forced to accept, nor have you ever given us a real account for the financial benefits of Brexit - which we were all promised. Every time its brought up the leavers go quiet. And finally, will you please respond - will you be drinking champagne if we leave without a deal? Yes, absolutely. Bottles of the stuff. If allowed I will be drinking it in Parliament Square. And you are no doubt far better educated than you were before after I’ve convincingly explained how we were ruled from a small place in Belgium and another in France, and how we had no say in what laws were passed because of the various traitorous treaties which had been signed against the will of the people. |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 28, 2020 12:43:35 GMT
No Yatton, I could very easily, but I chose not to. As I’ve told you time and again I, and 17.39 million other people objected to the EU having ANY say in our law making. If you are unable to comprehend that, there really is little point in talking to you. Haha pull the other one Oldgas 😂 You can’t , you know you can’t , we know you can’t . You’d be all over it ranting & raving about the injustice of (  ??) law or laws you don’t agree with . This is getting a bit embarrassing for you mate 😕 Please see my other replies regarding this. He who who laughs last and all that. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 28, 2020 12:45:35 GMT
Haha pull the other one Oldgas 😂 You can’t , you know you can’t , we know you can’t . You’d be all over it ranting & raving about the injustice of ( ??) law or laws you don’t agree with . This is getting a bit embarrassing for you mate 😕 Please see my other replies regarding this. He who who laughs last and all that. I’ve read them . You haven’t answered the question, you never answer the question. So for the final time , which law or laws do YOU not agree with Oldgas ? |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 28, 2020 13:02:40 GMT
So , you can’t . Why didn’t you just say that in the first place ? Because that would be an admission. An admission of what? |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 28, 2020 13:10:16 GMT
Please see my other replies regarding this. He who who laughs last and all that. I’ve read them . You haven’t answered the question, you never answer the question. So for the final time , which law or laws do YOU not agree with Oldgas ? Sigh- I never objected to any particular law in my original post. I objected to the fact that the EU were in a position to dictate our laws. Despite your and others’ attempts to pretend that isn’t the case, It now seems you have accepted that our laws are dictated from a small place in Belgium and another in France. Our Parliament had been reduced to nothing more than a regional assembly, and in time, to the status of a county council. Thank God 17.4 million people had the sense to save this country. Freedom Day is 33 days away, and counting. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 28, 2020 13:27:15 GMT
I’ve read them . You haven’t answered the question, you never answer the question. So for the final time , which law or laws do YOU not agree with Oldgas ? Sigh- I never objected to any particular law in my original post. I objected to the fact that the EU were in a position to dictate our laws. Despite your and others’ attempts to pretend that isn’t the case, It now seems you have accepted that our laws are dictated from a small place in Belgium and another in France. Our Parliament had been reduced to nothing more than a regional assembly, and in time, to the status of a county council. Thank God 17.4 million people had the sense to save this country. Freedom Day is 33 days away, and counting. You objected to the EU being in a position to dictate our laws, even though we had the veto so they didn't? Or am I making that up? |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 28, 2020 13:39:04 GMT
Sigh- I never objected to any particular law in my original post. I objected to the fact that the EU were in a position to dictate our laws. Despite your and others’ attempts to pretend that isn’t the case, It now seems you have accepted that our laws are dictated from a small place in Belgium and another in France. Our Parliament had been reduced to nothing more than a regional assembly, and in time, to the status of a county council. Thank God 17.4 million people had the sense to save this country. Freedom Day is 33 days away, and counting. You objected to the EU being in a position to dictate our laws, even though we had the veto so they didn't? Or am I making that up? I suggest you you read this then reconsider if you wish to ask this foolish question. If, like your Remoaning friends on here you choose not to read anything that goes against your argument, let me paraphrase: The BBC, the biggest champion of the EU in this country, is saying EU law has primacy, and there are whole rafts of legislation on which the UK Parliament has had no say. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 28, 2020 13:53:34 GMT
You objected to the EU being in a position to dictate our laws, even though we had the veto so they didn't? Or am I making that up? I suggest you you read this then reconsider if you wish to ask this foolish question. If, like your Remoaning friends on here you choose not to read anything that goes against your argument, let me paraphrase: The BBC, the biggest champion of the EU in this country, is saying EU law has primacy, and there are whole rafts of legislation on which the UK Parliament has had no say. ...... but he hasn’t got a clue what these laws are. |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 28, 2020 14:07:00 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36247456I suggest you you read this then reconsider if you wish to ask this foolish question. If, like your Remoaning friends on here you choose not to read anything that goes against your argument, let me paraphrase: The BBC, the biggest champion of the EU in this country, is saying EU law has primacy, and there are whole rafts of legislation on which the UK Parliament has had no say. ...... but he hasn’t got a clue what these laws are. Boring and foolish Yatton, boring and foolish. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 28, 2020 15:15:29 GMT
You objected to the EU being in a position to dictate our laws, even though we had the veto so they didn't? Or am I making that up? I suggest you you read this then reconsider if you wish to ask this foolish question. If, like your Remoaning friends on here you choose not to read anything that goes against your argument, let me paraphrase: The BBC, the biggest champion of the EU in this country, is saying EU law has primacy, and there are whole rafts of legislation on which the UK Parliament has had no say. I wasn't sure which is why I asked if I was making it up. Loved the framing though hope it helped make you feel better about yourself and we can all enjoy a little less projection moving forwards. I'll have a look but I doubt there's anything there which is particularly awful. Especially given that you keep avoiding that particular question from others. Heres the full fact then "Not all EU decisions affecting the UK can be passed against its wishes. Some important issues can only be decided if every country voting agrees. These areas include foreign affairs, taxation, justice and the EU budget. If the UK is adamantly opposed to a law requiring unanimous approval, it's unlikely to make it as far as a vote." fullfact.org/europe/british-influence-eu-council-ministers/So, disingenuous horse sh** from you again pretty much. |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 28, 2020 17:30:11 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36247456I suggest you you read this then reconsider if you wish to ask this foolish question. If, like your Remoaning friends on here you choose not to read anything that goes against your argument, let me paraphrase: The BBC, the biggest champion of the EU in this country, is saying EU law has primacy, and there are whole rafts of legislation on which the UK Parliament has had no say. I wasn't sure which is why I asked if I was making it up. Loved the framing though hope it helped make you feel better about yourself and we can all enjoy a little less projection moving forwards. I'll have a look but I doubt there's anything there which is particularly awful. Especially given that you keep avoiding that particular question from others. Heres the full fact then "Not all EU decisions affecting the UK can be passed against its wishes. Some important issues can only be decided if every country voting agrees. These areas include foreign affairs, taxation, justice and the EU budget. If the UK is adamantly opposed to a law requiring unanimous approval, it's unlikely to make it as far as a vote." fullfact.org/europe/british-influence-eu-council-ministers/So, disingenuous horse sh** from you again pretty much. All this shows is that one country, in very specific areas, can veto a EU proposal. However, we have absolutely no say or control over most EU legislation because of the various treaties we have signed up to over the years. I fail to understand what’s horseshit about that, the very evidence you have produced says that is so. The last, desperate flailing of a defeated Remainer I’m afraid. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 28, 2020 17:38:04 GMT
I wasn't sure which is why I asked if I was making it up. Loved the framing though hope it helped make you feel better about yourself and we can all enjoy a little less projection moving forwards. I'll have a look but I doubt there's anything there which is particularly awful. Especially given that you keep avoiding that particular question from others. Heres the full fact then "Not all EU decisions affecting the UK can be passed against its wishes. Some important issues can only be decided if every country voting agrees. These areas include foreign affairs, taxation, justice and the EU budget. If the UK is adamantly opposed to a law requiring unanimous approval, it's unlikely to make it as far as a vote." fullfact.org/europe/british-influence-eu-council-ministers/So, disingenuous horse sh** from you again pretty much. All this shows is that one country, in very specific areas, can veto a EU proposal. However, we have absolutely no say or control over most EU legislation because of the various treaties we have signed up to over the years. I fail to understand what’s horseshit about that, the very evidence you have produced says that is so. The last, desperate flailing of a defeated Remainer I’m afraid. This is comedy gold ! You really have no idea what you’re talking about but you say it with such conviction 😂 Thanks for the entertainment Oldgas |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 28, 2020 17:43:49 GMT
All this shows is that one country, in very specific areas, can veto a EU proposal. However, we have absolutely no say or control over most EU legislation because of the various treaties we have signed up to over the years. I fail to understand what’s horseshit about that, the very evidence you have produced says that is so. The last, desperate flailing of a defeated Remainer I’m afraid. This is comedy gold ! You really have no idea what you’re talking about but you say it with such conviction 😂 Thanks for the entertainment Oldgas Yep, we’ll all have a right good giggle on New Years Day. Making insulting comments ain’t gonna change anything. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 28, 2020 17:54:16 GMT
This is comedy gold ! You really have no idea what you’re talking about but you say it with such conviction 😂 Thanks for the entertainment Oldgas Yep, we’ll all have a right good giggle on New Years Day. Making insulting comments ain’t gonna change anything. Marxist ! Yep , looking forward to fresh food shortages in Jan along with all the other delights Brexit brings . |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 28, 2020 18:12:42 GMT
Istr OldGas actually saying the Guardian was his choice of newspaper. He then interestingly said thats with the exception of anything political, because then they become ridiculous marxist idiots etc. Which is funny, because I very much doubt their style of writing suddenly changes completely, more just that OldGas doesn't like what they're saying. The comment did make me laugh though, "and of course there is now no interference from the EU". When did the EU get involved in any India-UK trade deal? It's just making something up and then using that to drive home a point that doesn't exist in the first place. Disappointing to see such language again in here from a certain side. I believe that only FranceGas & trevor are the only ones not to abuse others at this point? Just like to point out that your recall is faulty. What I said is that I enjoy non-political Guardian articles but find their politics laughable and so left wing they’re practically sliding off the edge of the page..I prefer more critically supportive political journalism, such as one finds in The Telegraph. |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 28, 2020 18:14:08 GMT
Yep, we’ll all have a right good giggle on New Years Day. Making insulting comments ain’t gonna change anything. Marxist ! Yep , looking forward to fresh food shortages in Jan along with all the other delights Brexit brings . Marxist? Who’s Marxist-What are you talking about? |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 28, 2020 18:19:40 GMT
Marxist ! Yep , looking forward to fresh food shortages in Jan along with all the other delights Brexit brings . Marxist? Who’s Marxist-What are you talking about? You . You’re a far left traitorous Marxist who hates this country 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 |
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Post by oldgas on Nov 28, 2020 18:58:06 GMT
Marxist? Who’s Marxist-What are you talking about? You . You’re a far left traitorous Marxist who hates this country 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 OK? |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 28, 2020 19:17:50 GMT
You . You’re a far left traitorous Marxist who hates this country 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 OK? Just thought I’d spout a load of bollocks . Seems to work for you 😁 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2020 19:22:02 GMT
Yep, we’ll all have a right good giggle on New Years Day. Making insulting comments ain’t gonna change anything. Marxist ! Yep , looking forward to fresh food shortages in Jan along with all the other delights Brexit brings . Queueing for bread. How very....communist |
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