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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 9:25:53 GMT
Anyway, even if a deal is agreed soon, how quickly will it move through parliament. How much scrutiny will MPs who waved through the WA give it, and how much of it will they moan about after voting it through? After last night, I think that is a serious question. Given the calamity of a no deal his own advisers are warning him of, I wonder how much Johnson will stray from the line demanded by the Brexit Calvinists in his own party... interesting few days. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 2, 2020 9:36:30 GMT
Anyway, even if a deal is agreed soon, how quickly will it move through parliament. How much scrutiny will MPs who waved through the WA give it, and how much of it will they moan about after voting it through? Its passage through Parliament can be speedy as can the ratification by the EU Parliament and the 27 nations (plus the Belgian regions if I recall). As you pointed out, the scrutiny is a different matter. Current suggestions are sitting between Christmas and New Year, not translating it from English and giving temporary approval pending full ratification in the New Year. In those situations it is still giving the sign off quickly rather than properly debating it. Lots riding on trust in Barnier. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 2, 2020 10:31:04 GMT
Just watching a bit of the vaccine Q&A, the Telegraph reporter asked if this was done quicker because "we are out of the EU", slapped down by the Chair. We still follow EU rules at the moment.
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Post by oldgas on Dec 2, 2020 17:58:47 GMT
Not only 365, who's gone very quiet. I'll ask again, seeing as you're all experts. Show me the posts, mine and anyone else's, that I've edited to read something other than was originally published, together with the time and date the editing was done. According to Officer Dribble you're all very clever in this regard and can see exactly when and what was done. And you all know very well I didn't call 365 a traitor for hoping for no deal, I called him that for hoping USA and EU would conspire to damage the UK. I have said all along that if a deal suitable to the UK can't be agreed then I would be happy with no deal, and would celebrate. Desperate attempts at mis-representation by you I'm afraid. But what's new, you're a Remoaner. Enjoy being tied to the EU, you've got 28 days left. Who else accused you of this nasty, vile crime? I'm not sure what 365 was actually talking about with you, I have no interest in that conversation, but it's amusing that you're playing the victim so much after he accused you or editing your own post. Not the first time the victim card is played by your lot, is it? Oh and PS, to see when a post was edited, you can see in the bottom right corner of your own post, doesn't take brains of Britain to work out. I'll edit this one for reference, are you honestly trying to say you've never edited a post? I don't know that at all. I know that you wished for his death because he wished for a no deal. Which is disgusting. But as always, you're trying to have both sides of the conversation, which is getting exceptionally boring. Never had a reply for dear old Boris being a remainer and holding up Brexit, did you? Quite funny seeing you catch yourself out what seems to be every day atm. EDIT: See bottom right for edit. I know it's difficult, all this rocket science stuff - but there you go. Once again you have wilfully ignored my question. I am fully aware that the edit details appear in the bottom right corner. What I have said is that I have edited my posts purely to correct grammar or spelling, usually within minutes of posting. I have stated categorically that I have never gone back and edited a post hours or even days later to substantially change the meaning of the post because I wish to prove a point in discussion or for any other reason. I also said that I didn't know whether I could edit another persons post, and if it was possible then I certainly don't know how to do it. I suppose that is a fairly subtle difference for you, but I was hoping you would have the intellect to recognise the point; obviously not. If you and your little cohort, including the curiously mute 365 believe I have edited mine or any other persons posts, please produce th evidence. Think you can manage that? Surely with your Sherlock detective powers, assisted by the worthy but dull Lestrade in the form of Officer Dribble could manage that. I know you are of fairly limited intelligence, so let me enlighten you. I never wished death on that traitor, and saying he should be strung up by his bollocks on the Cenotaph was purely illustrative to convey my disgust at his hope, expressed on Remembrance Day, that Biden would conspire with the EU and punish us for daring to leave. I have no wish to kill anyone, as you very well know, but you eagerly jumped on what I wrote because you were desperate to divert attention, and defend the indefensible comment of that Remain traitor. And finally, regarding Boris and Mays awful, Basrardised Abortion of a deal, I explained just a few pages ago why he had to hold the deal up. I know you aren't very bright and easily forget, so I'll explain it as simply as I can. Mays deal was a total capitulation. If that had been passed we would never have really been able to leave. It was BRINO, we would have been tied to all their standards regarding trade, fishing, Human Rights and a whole raft of other EU legislation. In other words, we would have been in an even worse position post May than we were when a full member. Fortumately the patriots in Parliament refused to go along with this and eventually, after all the prevarication of Labour, Limp Dumbs and the SNP we got the GE election last December. I think the result speaks for itself. Probably the best thing for you and your ilk would be to f**k off th Scotland to live. Then, when they have their referendum you can vote to leave the UK and go it alone. Oh, hang on a minute, you don't like leaving anything, do you........ |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 18:06:44 GMT
Who else accused you of this nasty, vile crime? I'm not sure what 365 was actually talking about with you, I have no interest in that conversation, but it's amusing that you're playing the victim so much after he accused you or editing your own post. Not the first time the victim card is played by your lot, is it? Oh and PS, to see when a post was edited, you can see in the bottom right corner of your own post, doesn't take brains of Britain to work out. I'll edit this one for reference, are you honestly trying to say you've never edited a post? I don't know that at all. I know that you wished for his death because he wished for a no deal. Which is disgusting. But as always, you're trying to have both sides of the conversation, which is getting exceptionally boring. Never had a reply for dear old Boris being a remainer and holding up Brexit, did you? Quite funny seeing you catch yourself out what seems to be every day atm. EDIT: See bottom right for edit. I know it's difficult, all this rocket science stuff - but there you go. Once again you have wilfully ignored my question. I am fully aware that the edit details appear in the bottom right corner. What I have said is that I have edited my posts purely to correct grammar or spelling, usually within minutes of posting. I have stated categorically that I have never gone back and edited a post hours or even days later to substantially change the meaning of the post because I wish to prove a point in discussion or for any other reason. I also said that I didn't know whether I could edit another persons post, and if it was possible then I certainly don't know how to do it. I suppose that is a fairly subtle difference for you, but I was hoping you would have the intellect to recognise the point; obviously not. If you and your little cohort, including the curiously mute 365 believe I have edited mine or any other persons posts, please produce th evidence. Think you can manage that? Surely with your Sherlock detective powers, assisted by the worthy but dull Lestrade in the form of Officer Dribble could manage that. I know you are of fairly limited intelligence, so let me enlighten you. I never wished death on that traitor, and saying he should be strung up by his bollocks on the Cenotaph was purely illustrative to convey my disgust at his hope, expressed on Remembrance Day, that Biden would conspire with the EU and punish us for daring to leave. I have no wish to kill anyone, as you very well know, but you eagerly jumped on what I wrote because you were desperate to divert attention, and defend the indefensible comment of that Remain traitor. And finally, regarding Boris and Mays awful, Basrardised Abortion of a deal, I explained just a few pages ago why he had to hold the deal up. I know you aren't very bright and easily forget, so I'll explain it as simply as I can. Mays deal was a total capitulation. If that had been passed we would never have really been able to leave. It was BRINO, we would have been tied to all their standards regarding trade, fishing, Human Rights and a whole raft of other EU legislation. In other words, we would have been in an even worse position post May than we were when a full member. Fortumately the patriots in Parliament refused to go along with this and eventually, after all the prevarication of Labour, Limp Dumbs and the SNP we got the GE election last December. I think the result speaks for itself. Probably the best thing for you and your ilk would be to f**k off th Scotland to live. Then, when they have their referendum you can vote to leave the UK and go it alone. Oh, hang on a minute, you don't like leaving anything, do you........ Anyone else bored with this semi literate man child? |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 2, 2020 18:10:44 GMT
Who else accused you of this nasty, vile crime? I'm not sure what 365 was actually talking about with you, I have no interest in that conversation, but it's amusing that you're playing the victim so much after he accused you or editing your own post. Not the first time the victim card is played by your lot, is it? Oh and PS, to see when a post was edited, you can see in the bottom right corner of your own post, doesn't take brains of Britain to work out. I'll edit this one for reference, are you honestly trying to say you've never edited a post? I don't know that at all. I know that you wished for his death because he wished for a no deal. Which is disgusting. But as always, you're trying to have both sides of the conversation, which is getting exceptionally boring. Never had a reply for dear old Boris being a remainer and holding up Brexit, did you? Quite funny seeing you catch yourself out what seems to be every day atm. EDIT: See bottom right for edit. I know it's difficult, all this rocket science stuff - but there you go. Once again you have wilfully ignored my question. I am fully aware that the edit details appear in the bottom right corner. What I have said is that I have edited my posts purely to correct grammar or spelling, usually within minutes of posting. I have stated categorically that I have never gone back and edited a post hours or even days later to substantially change the meaning of the post because I wish to prove a point in discussion or for any other reason. I also said that I didn't know whether I could edit another persons post, and if it was possible then I certainly don't know how to do it. I suppose that is a fairly subtle difference for you, but I was hoping you would have the intellect to recognise the point; obviously not. If you and your little cohort, including the curiously mute 365 believe I have edited mine or any other persons posts, please produce th evidence. Think you can manage that? Surely with your Sherlock detective powers, assisted by the worthy but dull Lestrade in the form of Officer Dribble could manage that. I know you are of fairly limited intelligence, so let me enlighten you. I never wished death on that traitor, and saying he should be strung up by his bollocks on the Cenotaph was purely illustrative to convey my disgust at his hope, expressed on Remembrance Day, that Biden would conspire with the EU and punish us for daring to leave. I have no wish to kill anyone, as you very well know, but you eagerly jumped on what I wrote because you were desperate to divert attention, and defend the indefensible comment of that Remain traitor. And finally, regarding Boris and Mays awful, Basrardised Abortion of a deal, I explained just a few pages ago why he had to hold the deal up. I know you aren't very bright and easily forget, so I'll explain it as simply as I can. Mays deal was a total capitulation. If that had been passed we would never have really been able to leave. It was BRINO, we would have been tied to all their standards regarding trade, fishing, Human Rights and a whole raft of other EU legislation. In other words, we would have been in an even worse position post May than we were when a full member. Fortumately the patriots in Parliament refused to go along with this and eventually, after all the prevarication of Labour, Limp Dumbs and the SNP we got the GE election last December. I think the result speaks for itself. Probably the best thing for you and your ilk would be to f**k off th Scotland to live. Then, when they have their referendum you can vote to leave the UK and go it alone. Oh, hang on a minute, you don't like leaving anything, do you........ What question? Please point out the question in your previous post. And once again? Please point out where else I've wilfully ignored your question. I shall not rest until you have proved it or apologised! This is a brutally offensive accusation that I must have my name cleared of. How dare you, traitor. You are a disgrace to the Queen, she would be ashamed. I personally don't believe, nor care at all whether you've edited your own post. It was a touching paragraph, but didn't bother to read all of it. It's quite enjoyable that you've spent so much of your time in a fuss about some accusation about editing your own post. From what I read, it was pretty clear 365 was saying you'd edited your own post, obviously not his - because only an idiot would think that it meant going and editing other peoples' posts. You keep thinking that everyone is accusing you of editing this post, who has? Have I? Show me where.. Has anyone else? What would happen to someone, do you think if they were "strung up by his bollocks on the Cenotaph"? But I'm glad you've now stated that you have no wish for his death, now all you need to do is apologise. So parliament was full of patriots now? 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Post by Gassy on Dec 2, 2020 18:17:29 GMT
Once again you have wilfully ignored my question. I am fully aware that the edit details appear in the bottom right corner. What I have said is that I have edited my posts purely to correct grammar or spelling, usually within minutes of posting. I have stated categorically that I have never gone back and edited a post hours or even days later to substantially change the meaning of the post because I wish to prove a point in discussion or for any other reason. I also said that I didn't know whether I could edit another persons post, and if it was possible then I certainly don't know how to do it. I suppose that is a fairly subtle difference for you, but I was hoping you would have the intellect to recognise the point; obviously not. If you and your little cohort, including the curiously mute 365 believe I have edited mine or any other persons posts, please produce th evidence. Think you can manage that? Surely with your Sherlock detective powers, assisted by the worthy but dull Lestrade in the form of Officer Dribble could manage that. I know you are of fairly limited intelligence, so let me enlighten you. I never wished death on that traitor, and saying he should be strung up by his bollocks on the Cenotaph was purely illustrative to convey my disgust at his hope, expressed on Remembrance Day, that Biden would conspire with the EU and punish us for daring to leave. I have no wish to kill anyone, as you very well know, but you eagerly jumped on what I wrote because you were desperate to divert attention, and defend the indefensible comment of that Remain traitor. And finally, regarding Boris and Mays awful, Basrardised Abortion of a deal, I explained just a few pages ago why he had to hold the deal up. I know you aren't very bright and easily forget, so I'll explain it as simply as I can. Mays deal was a total capitulation. If that had been passed we would never have really been able to leave. It was BRINO, we would have been tied to all their standards regarding trade, fishing, Human Rights and a whole raft of other EU legislation. In other words, we would have been in an even worse position post May than we were when a full member. Fortumately the patriots in Parliament refused to go along with this and eventually, after all the prevarication of Labour, Limp Dumbs and the SNP we got the GE election last December. I think the result speaks for itself. Probably the best thing for you and your ilk would be to f**k off th Scotland to live. Then, when they have their referendum you can vote to leave the UK and go it alone. Oh, hang on a minute, you don't like leaving anything, do you........ Anyone else bored with this semi literate man child? Actually I normally like OldGas' posts when they're serious and actually up for a debate. Not quite sure why someone saying he edited his own post has become his lifes mission to debate, but hey ho. Seems to go in this order: 1. Bad WUM 2. Get offensive & abusive 3. Play the victim 4. Actual decent debate and some interesting points 5. Bit of time off 6. Repeat Right now we're in between 3 & 4 IMO. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 2, 2020 18:45:17 GMT
Anyone else bored with this semi literate man child? Actually I normally like OldGas' posts when they're serious and actually up for a debate. Not quite sure why someone saying he edited his own post has become his lifes mission to debate, but hey ho. Seems to go in this order: 1. Bad WUM 2. Get offensive & abusive 3. Play the victim 4. Actual decent debate and some interesting points 5. Bit of time off 6. Repeat Right now we're in between 3 & 4 IMO. Looking forward to 5  |
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Post by francegas on Dec 2, 2020 18:49:05 GMT
Once again you have wilfully ignored my question. I am fully aware that the edit details appear in the bottom right corner. What I have said is that I have edited my posts purely to correct grammar or spelling, usually within minutes of posting. I have stated categorically that I have never gone back and edited a post hours or even days later to substantially change the meaning of the post because I wish to prove a point in discussion or for any other reason. I also said that I didn't know whether I could edit another persons post, and if it was possible then I certainly don't know how to do it. I suppose that is a fairly subtle difference for you, but I was hoping you would have the intellect to recognise the point; obviously not. If you and your little cohort, including the curiously mute 365 believe I have edited mine or any other persons posts, please produce th evidence. Think you can manage that? Surely with your Sherlock detective powers, assisted by the worthy but dull Lestrade in the form of Officer Dribble could manage that. I know you are of fairly limited intelligence, so let me enlighten you. I never wished death on that traitor, and saying he should be strung up by his bollocks on the Cenotaph was purely illustrative to convey my disgust at his hope, expressed on Remembrance Day, that Biden would conspire with the EU and punish us for daring to leave. I have no wish to kill anyone, as you very well know, but you eagerly jumped on what I wrote because you were desperate to divert attention, and defend the indefensible comment of that Remain traitor. And finally, regarding Boris and Mays awful, Basrardised Abortion of a deal, I explained just a few pages ago why he had to hold the deal up. I know you aren't very bright and easily forget, so I'll explain it as simply as I can. Mays deal was a total capitulation. If that had been passed we would never have really been able to leave. It was BRINO, we would have been tied to all their standards regarding trade, fishing, Human Rights and a whole raft of other EU legislation. In other words, we would have been in an even worse position post May than we were when a full member. Fortumately the patriots in Parliament refused to go along with this and eventually, after all the prevarication of Labour, Limp Dumbs and the SNP we got the GE election last December. I think the result speaks for itself. Probably the best thing for you and your ilk would be to f**k off th Scotland to live. Then, when they have their referendum you can vote to leave the UK and go it alone. Oh, hang on a minute, you don't like leaving anything, do you........ What question? Please point out the question in your previous post. And once again? Please point out where else I've wilfully ignored your question. I shall not rest until you have proved it or apologised! This is a brutally offensive accusation that I must have my name cleared of. How dare you, traitor. You are a disgrace to the Queen, she would be ashamed. I personally don't believe, nor care at all whether you've edited your own post. It was a touching paragraph, but didn't bother to read all of it. It's quite enjoyable that you've spent so much of your time in a fuss about some accusation about editing your own post. From what I read, it was pretty clear 365 was saying you'd edited your own post, obviously not his - because only an idiot would think that it meant going and editing other peoples' posts. You keep thinking that everyone is accusing you of editing this post, who has? Have I? Show me where.. Has anyone else? What would happen to someone, do you think if they were "strung up by his bollocks on the Cenotaph"? But I'm glad you've now stated that you have no wish for his death, now all you need to do is apologise. So parliament was full of patriots now? I thought it was traitors? Another day another opinion from OldGas making it up as you go along. Round and round and round and round and round... I really don't think oldgas wished death on 365. It was no worse than me saying to someone who slagged of the Royals "you should be hung drawn and quartered for saying that" it's a figure of speech and shouldn't be taken literally however everyone seemed to jump to 365s defence. Can I point out that not long ago 365 stated that the Tory base is people with assets and the good thing is as they get older they are "snuffing it" meaning a younger generation left who won't vote another Tory government in again. Apart from myself no one batted an eyelid to what was said. So he is rejoicing at peoples death and thinks it's good just because they vote conservative. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 19:36:19 GMT
Anyone else bored with this semi literate man child? Actually I normally like OldGas' posts when they're serious and actually up for a debate. Not quite sure why someone saying he edited his own post has become his lifes mission to debate, but hey ho. Seems to go in this order: 1. Bad WUM 2. Get offensive & abusive 3. Play the victim 4. Actual decent debate and some interesting points 5. Bit of time off 6. Repeat Right now we're in between 3 & 4 IMO. Well I have never read a valid point, evidence based, that Oldgas has ever made. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 2, 2020 20:04:13 GMT
Once again you have wilfully ignored my question. I am fully aware that the edit details appear in the bottom right corner. What I have said is that I have edited my posts purely to correct grammar or spelling, usually within minutes of posting. I have stated categorically that I have never gone back and edited a post hours or even days later to substantially change the meaning of the post because I wish to prove a point in discussion or for any other reason. I also said that I didn't know whether I could edit another persons post, and if it was possible then I certainly don't know how to do it. I suppose that is a fairly subtle difference for you, but I was hoping you would have the intellect to recognise the point; obviously not. If you and your little cohort, including the curiously mute 365 believe I have edited mine or any other persons posts, please produce th evidence. Think you can manage that? Surely with your Sherlock detective powers, assisted by the worthy but dull Lestrade in the form of Officer Dribble could manage that. I know you are of fairly limited intelligence, so let me enlighten you. I never wished death on that traitor, and saying he should be strung up by his bollocks on the Cenotaph was purely illustrative to convey my disgust at his hope, expressed on Remembrance Day, that Biden would conspire with the EU and punish us for daring to leave. I have no wish to kill anyone, as you very well know, but you eagerly jumped on what I wrote because you were desperate to divert attention, and defend the indefensible comment of that Remain traitor. And finally, regarding Boris and Mays awful, Basrardised Abortion of a deal, I explained just a few pages ago why he had to hold the deal up. I know you aren't very bright and easily forget, so I'll explain it as simply as I can. Mays deal was a total capitulation. If that had been passed we would never have really been able to leave. It was BRINO, we would have been tied to all their standards regarding trade, fishing, Human Rights and a whole raft of other EU legislation. In other words, we would have been in an even worse position post May than we were when a full member. Fortumately the patriots in Parliament refused to go along with this and eventually, after all the prevarication of Labour, Limp Dumbs and the SNP we got the GE election last December. I think the result speaks for itself. Probably the best thing for you and your ilk would be to f**k off th Scotland to live. Then, when they have their referendum you can vote to leave the UK and go it alone. Oh, hang on a minute, you don't like leaving anything, do you........ Anyone else bored with this semi literate man child? Did he say something ? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 9:27:07 GMT
Oldgas is vulgar and obscene, there is no two ways about it. Comes across as a hateful individual.
Him saying that someone should be strung up on a war monument by their balls, just for saying that brexit may be grim for a lot of people.
Anyone condoning that needs to have a word with themselves.
The fact that these smooth brained right wingers then use some far flung excuse from their personal lives to attack a poster is also a tactic to stifle debate.
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Post by Gassy on Dec 3, 2020 10:18:21 GMT
What question? Please point out the question in your previous post. And once again? Please point out where else I've wilfully ignored your question. I shall not rest until you have proved it or apologised! This is a brutally offensive accusation that I must have my name cleared of. How dare you, traitor. You are a disgrace to the Queen, she would be ashamed. I personally don't believe, nor care at all whether you've edited your own post. It was a touching paragraph, but didn't bother to read all of it. It's quite enjoyable that you've spent so much of your time in a fuss about some accusation about editing your own post. From what I read, it was pretty clear 365 was saying you'd edited your own post, obviously not his - because only an idiot would think that it meant going and editing other peoples' posts. You keep thinking that everyone is accusing you of editing this post, who has? Have I? Show me where.. Has anyone else? What would happen to someone, do you think if they were "strung up by his bollocks on the Cenotaph"? But I'm glad you've now stated that you have no wish for his death, now all you need to do is apologise. So parliament was full of patriots now? I thought it was traitors? Another day another opinion from OldGas making it up as you go along. Round and round and round and round and round... I really don't think oldgas wished death on 365. It was no worse than me saying to someone who slagged of the Royals "you should be hung drawn and quartered for saying that" it's a figure of speech and shouldn't be taken literally however everyone seemed to jump to 365s defence. Can I point out that not long ago 365 stated that the Tory base is people with assets and the good thing is as they get older they are "snuffing it" meaning a younger generation left who won't vote another Tory government in again. Apart from myself no one batted an eyelid to what was said. So he is rejoicing at peoples death and thinks it's good just because they vote conservative. But its coupled with all the other insults, isn't it. If he'd have just said it, that would be it. But calling someone a c*** traitor and god knows what else is unacceptable. I am truly shocked at how not one person from the right said, thats a bit far mate. In fact, they supported it and defended it! Which says even more about them than OG himself, IMO. I don't remember 365 saying that tbh, but I don't doubt it. I think there have been constant mud slinging from both sides from everyone in these threads. But personal insults which seem to have become common from certain individuals go to far IMO. And of course, this would all be forgotten about, had OldGas not started demanding an apology because 365 said he edited his own post. Unbelievable. |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 3, 2020 10:20:13 GMT
Actually I normally like OldGas' posts when they're serious and actually up for a debate. Not quite sure why someone saying he edited his own post has become his lifes mission to debate, but hey ho. Seems to go in this order: 1. Bad WUM 2. Get offensive & abusive 3. Play the victim 4. Actual decent debate and some interesting points 5. Bit of time off 6. Repeat Right now we're in between 3 & 4 IMO. Well I have never read a valid point, evidence based, that Oldgas has ever made. And tbf Oldie, that can be fine at times. We all have opinions that we can share that aren't always evidence based. However, if you're ballsy enough to give one without evidence, you should justify it without the insults. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 12:33:35 GMT
Well I have never read a valid point, evidence based, that Oldgas has ever made. And tbf Oldie, that can be fine at times. We all have opinions that we can share that aren't always evidence based. However, if you're ballsy enough to give one without evidence, you should justify it without the insults. I will give you that. But you cannot state an opinion as if fact, then proceed to label an alternative opinion as "Marxist" (or whatever). But in reality, if we are discussing economics and/or political policy outcomes and if we just wander around the topic without any anchor to fact we end up in a wormhole of ridiculous position taking. Which triangulates nicely back to Oldgas because that describes him perfectly. As it does those that have run off into the sunset crying to their mother's about the unfairness of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 14:09:18 GMT
And tbf Oldie, that can be fine at times. We all have opinions that we can share that aren't always evidence based. However, if you're ballsy enough to give one without evidence, you should justify it without the insults. I will give you that. But you cannot state an opinion as if fact, then proceed to label an alternative opinion as "Marxist" (or whatever). But in reality, if we are discussing economics and/or political policy outcomes and if we just wander around the topic without any anchor to fact we end up in a wormhole of ridiculous position taking. Which triangulates nicely back to Oldgas because that describes him perfectly. As it does those that have run off into the sunset crying to their mother's about the unfairness of it. Almost impossible to engage with them, very odd. Oldie. Back on the thread, relatively. Did you know that 90% of the companies listed on the New York stock exchange are owned by just 3 companies? (Capitalism back to feudalism) You are quite in to finance and stuff. Do you see brexit being a vehicle for the UK to compete on this new level of capitalism? |
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Post by francegas on Dec 3, 2020 14:24:39 GMT
I really don't think oldgas wished death on 365. It was no worse than me saying to someone who slagged of the Royals "you should be hung drawn and quartered for saying that" it's a figure of speech and shouldn't be taken literally however everyone seemed to jump to 365s defence. Can I point out that not long ago 365 stated that the Tory base is people with assets and the good thing is as they get older they are "snuffing it" meaning a younger generation left who won't vote another Tory government in again. Apart from myself no one batted an eyelid to what was said. So he is rejoicing at peoples death and thinks it's good just because they vote conservative. But its coupled with all the other insults, isn't it. If he'd have just said it, that would be it. But calling someone a c*** traitor and god knows what else is unacceptable. I am truly shocked at how not one person from the right said, thats a bit far mate. In fact, they supported it and defended it! Which says even more about them than OG himself, IMO. I don't remember 365 saying that tbh, but I don't doubt it. I think there have been constant mud slinging from both sides from everyone in these threads. But personal insults which seem to have become common from certain individuals go to far IMO. And of course, this would all be forgotten about, had OldGas not started demanding an apology because 365 said he edited his own post. Unbelievable. Gassy I am in total agreement with you concerning slinging insults at each other. I've never understood why people can't debate something without resorting to verbal abuse, ridiculing someone or making snide accusations. Inrespect of no one from the right saying "Oldgas you've gone too far" perhaps it's because they don't want to get involved in other peoples arguments. Pretty much the same way no one from the left told 365 he went too far. I have on many occasions been ridiculed, had unfounded bitter assumptions made of me by 365 . For your reference the post I was talking about is on 24th October, page 31 of the This Government thread (sorry I'm not intelligent enough to be able to add a link). I'm happy debating in these threads but feel it's not worth it at times when your told your just talking bollocks and just ridiculed for your views. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 15:34:11 GMT
I will give you that. But you cannot state an opinion as if fact, then proceed to label an alternative opinion as "Marxist" (or whatever). But in reality, if we are discussing economics and/or political policy outcomes and if we just wander around the topic without any anchor to fact we end up in a wormhole of ridiculous position taking. Which triangulates nicely back to Oldgas because that describes him perfectly. As it does those that have run off into the sunset crying to their mother's about the unfairness of it. Almost impossible to engage with them, very odd. Oldie. Back on the thread, relatively. Did you know that 90% of the companies listed on the New York stock exchange are owned by just 3 companies? (Capitalism back to feudalism) You are quite in to finance and stuff. Do you see brexit being a vehicle for the UK to compete on this new level of capitalism? I don't see Brexit as way the UK competes on any "new" level. More of a retreat, a push back, from the constraints that have been placed upon free market Capitalism. The shadow of Friedrich Hayek looms large, whose disciples were Reagan and Thatcher. This is why leavers hate Treaties like the one with the EU, rules based constraints are an anathema to them. Their great success has been to convince the general population that those rules constrained them, as individuals, when in fact they did no such thing. In America this manifests itself in the Trump phenomenon, a situation where people actually believe the State acts against them. As for you comment about shareholding, I struggle to believe that, but happy to be proven wrong. |
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Post by oldgas on Dec 3, 2020 17:39:02 GMT
Almost impossible to engage with them, very odd. Oldie. Back on the thread, relatively. Did you know that 90% of the companies listed on the New York stock exchange are owned by just 3 companies? (Capitalism back to feudalism) You are quite in to finance and stuff. Do you see brexit being a vehicle for the UK to compete on this new level of capitalism? I don't see Brexit as way the UK competes on any "new" level. More of a retreat, a push back, from the constraints that have been placed upon free market Capitalism. The shadow of Friedrich Hayek looms large, whose disciples were Reagan and Thatcher. This is why leavers hate Treaties like the one with the EU, rules based constraints are an anathema to them. Their great success has been to convince the general population that those rules constrained them, as individuals, when in fact they did no such thing. In America this manifests itself in the Trump phenomenon, a situation where people actually believe the State acts against them. As for you comment about shareholding, I struggle to believe that, but happy to be proven wrong. I expect you're quite excited that Britain, free of EU constraints, has authorised the new Covid vaccination and will start rolling it out almost immediately. It seems that our EU cousins, hamstrung by their various protocols, probably won't be able to do anything until at least January. I expect you're also quite cheered that the first people here to receive the vaccine will be health workers and the elderly and vulnerable. I have no doubt that you have been enormously cheered that, freed from EU regs, GB will almost immediately ban the export of live animals to the continent and elsewhere and also limit their time in transit across the UK. That's if you have any concern for animal welfare, of course. There you go Stuart, there's 2 EU laws I didn't like, and which will now be dispensed with. Cheer up chaps, 28 days until Freedom Day! |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 3, 2020 17:40:16 GMT
But its coupled with all the other insults, isn't it. If he'd have just said it, that would be it. But calling someone a c*** traitor and god knows what else is unacceptable. I am truly shocked at how not one person from the right said, thats a bit far mate. In fact, they supported it and defended it! Which says even more about them than OG himself, IMO. I don't remember 365 saying that tbh, but I don't doubt it. I think there have been constant mud slinging from both sides from everyone in these threads. But personal insults which seem to have become common from certain individuals go to far IMO. And of course, this would all be forgotten about, had OldGas not started demanding an apology because 365 said he edited his own post. Unbelievable. Gassy I am in total agreement with you concerning slinging insults at each other. I've never understood why people can't debate something without resorting to verbal abuse, ridiculing someone or making snide accusations. Inrespect of no one from the right saying "Oldgas you've gone too far" perhaps it's because they don't want to get involved in other peoples arguments. Pretty much the same way no one from the left told 365 he went too far. I have on many occasions been ridiculed, had unfounded bitter assumptions made of me by 365 . For your reference the post I was talking about is on 24th October, page 31 of the This Government thread (sorry I'm not intelligent enough to be able to add a link). I'm happy debating in these threads but feel it's not worth it at times when your told your just talking bollocks and just ridiculed for your views. Maybe so, although liking the post suggests the opposite, but there you go. It's a shame it happens, I don't think there is a single innocent person in here who hasn't made a comment at some point. Apart from Stuart - actually. *Cue a new thread of where everyone moans about stuart* But I hope you keep posting in here FG, although I don't always agree with your posts, I always enjoy reading them. |
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