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Post by yattongas on Dec 4, 2020 20:07:25 GMT
France might veto the Brexit deal because it's not good for them as a sovereign nation....imagine, having the power to assert your sovereignty when you're in the EU? Who'da thunk. You like the idea that France might veto the deal thrashed over the last tortuous months? That'll teach those pesky Leavers. If we could have delayed the vote by a few more months a lot more of the old bastards would have been dead and we'd have got away with it. Tell me where I’ve said that ? You don’t half spout nonsense Oldgas . It’s all about sovrenteee innit ! 😉
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 4, 2020 20:30:52 GMT
Oldgas , what are you hoping for from this deal or are you a pure brexiteer and you don’t want a deal ? Since you asked the question and I went to the trouble of answering it, see previous page, what do you think of my answer? Or are you and your mates gonna spend the next few posts altering the context of my reply, ridicule and take the Wee wee? A couple of us responded, presumably you read those or did you miss them? More unicorns than on my daughter's bedroom wall. 🦄
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 4, 2020 20:34:01 GMT
A bad deal for France? But isn't that the idea of the EU, of which they are founding members that it's not for the benefit of the one but for the benefit of the many? And this is why we need to get out. Why we're getting out. 27 days to Freedom Day. So you agree that individual nations within the EU have powers. Didn't we vote to leave to regain sovereignty, repatriate the bit we pooled?
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Post by oldgas on Dec 4, 2020 21:09:07 GMT
You like the idea that France might veto the deal thrashed over the last tortuous months? That'll teach those pesky Leavers. If we could have delayed the vote by a few more months a lot more of the old bastards would have been dead and we'd have got away with it. Tell me where I’ve said that ? You don’t half spout nonsense Oldgas . It’s all about sovrenteee innit ! 😉 I was addressing Baggins who put a like on your post.
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Post by yattongas on Dec 4, 2020 21:14:33 GMT
Tell me where I’ve said that ? You don’t half spout nonsense Oldgas . It’s all about sovrenteee innit ! 😉 I was addressing Baggins who put a like on your post. My fault , I replied to wrong post .
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Post by oldgas on Dec 4, 2020 21:26:24 GMT
A bad deal for France? But isn't that the idea of the EU, of which they are founding members that it's not for the benefit of the one but for the benefit of the many? And this is why we need to get out. Why we're getting out. 27 days to Freedom Day. So you agree that individual nations within the EU have powers. Didn't we vote to leave to regain sovereignty, repatriate the bit we pooled? I never said they didn't. The whole thrust of why I and 17.4 million others voted to leave was because I was fed up with the fact that many things that affect this country were decided in Brussells and all our Parliament did was wave them through. For example, had we not have left the EU we would not have been allowed to authorise the Covid vaccine, we would have had to wait until the whole of Europe had agreed to it. If we hadn't have left we would have been on the hook for a huge chunk of money for the EU Covid recovery fund and would have paid in far more than we got back. If we hadn't left we would have been in line to pay even more towards the new 7 year EU budget being discussed now, paying in far more than we got back. Please, why do you pretend that being in the EU is only a good thing? We tried to make it work, Cameron went cap in hand and with his begging bowl, asking for relief from some of the rules and regs imposed from Brussels that were causing angst to the people of this country. Who can forget Gordon Brown, when the Redcar steelworks closed saying it would be British jobs for British workers? What a load of crap that was, because he knew full well that our jobs were open to 500 million EU citizens. Call that having control?They laughed in Cameron's face and sent him home with a boot up his arse and, fortunately we had the referendum. I have no time for May, but look how those jumped-up little Banned word EU officials humiliated her when she was 'negotiating ' with them. They treated the British PM like she was a piece of sh1t, were you happy with that? 27 days to Freedom Day, with or without a deal. Rejoice.
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Post by oldgas on Dec 4, 2020 21:28:58 GMT
Since you asked the question and I went to the trouble of answering it, see previous page, what do you think of my answer? Or are you and your mates gonna spend the next few posts altering the context of my reply, ridicule and take the Wee wee? A couple of us responded, presumably you read those or did you miss them? More unicorns than on my daughter's bedroom wall. 🦄 As Yarron posed the question I thought it reasonable to ask if he had a view on my answer.
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 4, 2020 21:40:19 GMT
So you agree that individual nations within the EU have powers. Didn't we vote to leave to regain sovereignty, repatriate the bit we pooled? I never said they didn't. The whole thrust of why I and 17.4 million others voted to leave was because I was fed up with the fact that many things that affect this country were decided in Brussells and all our Parliament did was wave them through. For example, had we not have left the EU we would not have been allowed to authorise the Covid vaccine, we would have had to wait until the whole of Europe had agreed to it. If we hadn't have left we would have been on the hook for a huge chunk of money for the EU Covid recovery fund and would have paid in far more than we got back. If we hadn't left we would have been in line to pay even more towards the new 7 year EU budget being discussed now, paying in far more than we got back. Please, why do you pretend that being in the EU is only a good thing? We tried to make it work, Cameron went cap in hand and with his begging bowl, asking for relief from some of the rules and regs imposed from Brussels that were causing angst to the people of this country. Who can forget Gordon Brown, when the Redcar steelworks closed saying it would be British jobs for British workers? What a load of crap that was, because he knew full well that our jobs were open to 500 million EU citizens. Call that having control?They laughed in Cameron's face and sent him home with a boot up his arse and, fortunately we had the referendum. I have no time for May, but look how those jumped-up little Banned word EU officials humiliated her when she was 'negotiating ' with them. They treated the British PM like she was a piece of sh1t, were you happy with that? 27 days to Freedom Day, with or without a deal. Rejoice. I never said it was only a good thing, it has flaws. Overall though I feel it was in our economic interest to keep the existing arrangements, any suggestion that we could have a net gain in trading deals is for the fairies. It also amplified our voice on the world stage, the benefits of remaining were underplayed and the benefits of leaving overstated. We never really lost sovereignty other than where we agreed (Parliament and ministers had oversight) and were protected from closer union. Cameron and May were "humiliated" because they tried to play to two factions (good cop, bad cop) and said things that were not realistic. Don't confuse the Conservative Party for the UK. WTO rules will put us at a distinct disadvantage (see my post a few pages back). Rejoice? No chance. Want us to do well in the negotiations and come to a sensible compromise? Yes.
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Post by Gassy on Dec 4, 2020 22:55:08 GMT
Never able to post that article which proves that the MHRAs quick decision was because of Brexit. Why not OldGas?
Remind you of anyone?
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 4, 2020 23:10:51 GMT
Never able to post that article which proves that the MHRAs quick decision was because of Brexit. Why not OldGas? Remind you of anyone? He probably means this one, behind a paywall though. From that bastion of virtuous, unbiased investigative journalism. www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/02/exclusive-brexit-may-have-helped-uk-win-race-covid-vaccine-drug/amp/He won't mean this one, clearly from an EU funded propaganda machine 🙄 "But as a UK government press release from 23 November 2020 states: “if a suitable COVID-19 vaccine candidate, […] becomes available before the end of the transition period, EU legislation which we have implemented via Regulation 174 of the Human Medicines Regulations allows the MHRA to temporarily authorise the supply of a medicine or vaccine, based on public health need.” So even if we were still a member of the EU, the UK regulator would have been able to take this decision on its own because EU law already allows it. Incidentally, that legislation took effect in the UK in 2012, long before Brexit was on the cards." www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-brexit-did-not-speed-up-uk-vaccine-authorisation
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Post by Gassy on Dec 4, 2020 23:19:38 GMT
Never able to post that article which proves that the MHRAs quick decision was because of Brexit. Why not OldGas? Remind you of anyone? He probably means this one, behind a paywall though. From that bastion of virtuous, unbiased investigative journalism. www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/02/exclusive-brexit-may-have-helped-uk-win-race-covid-vaccine-drug/amp/He won't mean this one, clearly from an EU funded propaganda machine 🙄 "But as a UK government press release from 23 November 2020 states: “if a suitable COVID-19 vaccine candidate, […] becomes available before the end of the transition period, EU legislation which we have implemented via Regulation 174 of the Human Medicines Regulations allows the MHRA to temporarily authorise the supply of a medicine or vaccine, based on public health need.” So even if we were still a member of the EU, the UK regulator would have been able to take this decision on its own because EU law already allows it. Incidentally, that legislation took effect in the UK in 2012, long before Brexit was on the cards." www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-brexit-did-not-speed-up-uk-vaccine-authorisationI’ll have a read tomorrow of it - of course it’s absolute rubbish, as I said yesterday and as has been reported by pretty much every news source since Hancocks ridiculous statement. But OldGas knows the truth..
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Post by yattongas on Dec 4, 2020 23:37:05 GMT
Get ready for the great Boris Buckle ..... it’s gonna happen lads 😉
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 4, 2020 23:46:22 GMT
Get ready for the great Boris Buckle ..... it’s gonna happen lads 😉 PR machines cranking up the gears, especially Boris and Macron.
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Post by yattongas on Dec 4, 2020 23:51:21 GMT
Get ready for the great Boris Buckle ..... it’s gonna happen lads 😉 PR machines cranking up the gears, especially Boris and Macron. He’s desperate for a deal , knows he HAS to get a deal ( it’ll be sh** ) but he’ll sign pretty much anything now . He’s like a poker player all in holding a pair of 2’s . He’s gonna get rinsed ..... we’re gonna get rinsed.
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 4, 2020 23:59:29 GMT
PR machines cranking up the gears, especially Boris and Macron. He’s desperate for a deal , knows he HAS to get a deal ( it’ll be sh** ) but he’ll sign pretty much anything now . He’s like a poker player all in holding a pair of 2’s . He’s gonna get rinsed ..... we’re gonna get rinsed. Holding the cards. /photo/1
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 5, 2020 8:34:20 GMT
He’s desperate for a deal , knows he HAS to get a deal ( it’ll be sh** ) but he’ll sign pretty much anything now . He’s like a poker player all in holding a pair of 2’s . He’s gonna get rinsed ..... we’re gonna get rinsed. Holding the cards. /photo/1 Personally I hope we tell Macron to stuff it,won't be pretty but he's one of many in a long line of French Presidents who have a lasting antipathy towards the UK,a poor man's Napoleon! !
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Post by oldgas on Dec 5, 2020 9:11:56 GMT
Never able to post that article which proves that the MHRAs quick decision was because of Brexit. Why not OldGas? Remind you of anyone? He probably means this one, behind a paywall though. From that bastion of virtuous, unbiased investigative journalism. www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/02/exclusive-brexit-may-have-helped-uk-win-race-covid-vaccine-drug/amp/He won't mean this one, clearly from an EU funded propaganda machine 🙄 "But as a UK government press release from 23 November 2020 states: “if a suitable COVID-19 vaccine candidate, […] becomes available before the end of the transition period, EU legislation which we have implemented via Regulation 174 of the Human Medicines Regulations allows the MHRA to temporarily authorise the supply of a medicine or vaccine, based on public health need.” So even if we were still a member of the EU, the UK regulator would have been able to take this decision on its own because EU law already allows it. Incidentally, that legislation took effect in the UK in 2012, long before Brexit was on the cards." www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-brexit-did-not-speed-up-uk-vaccine-authorisationTypical C4 Remainer deny anything good can come from leaving the EU crap I'm afraid. If it was so easy to lndepedenty licence this vaccine, don't you think the French, German, Italian et al governments would have done the same as us and got the programme under way ASAP? Typical Remainers talking out of their arses, as per usual.
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Post by Gassy on Dec 5, 2020 9:12:23 GMT
So if we play hardball and do what’s best for our country, it’s just good negotiation. But if Macron does it he’s Napoleon?
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 5, 2020 9:14:05 GMT
Holding the cards. /photo/1 Personally I hope we tell Macron to stuff it,won't be pretty but he's one of many in a long line of French Presidents who have a lasting antipathy towards the UK,a poor man's Napoleon! ! Agree with the sentiment, but let's not bite off our collective noses to spite our faces.
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Post by Gassy on Dec 5, 2020 9:15:19 GMT
Typical C4 Remainer deny anything good can come from leaving the EU crap I'm afraid. If it was so easy to lndepedenty licence this vaccine, don't you think the French, German, Italian et al governments would have done the same as us and got the programme under way ASAP? Typical Remainers talking out of their arses, as per usual. No, and they announced why if you’d bothered to actually look into the topic. Why didn’t the US do it? Australia? New Zealand? Japan? Do your research next time. It’s getting embarrassing
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