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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 14, 2020 12:01:39 GMT
Been suggested for a while he'll make a lot from a no deal. So then, how about we no deal on 1 January but miraculously sign one by the end of the month. Boris' disaster capitalist backers get their money, EU gets the blame for wanting to 'punish' us but we sign off before the economy is irreparably damaged. £s and knighthoods all round. You can see how conspiracy theories start. You’ve just started one ..... and I’m all in 😀👍 Looks like Barnier is on board too.😉 |
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Post by peterparker on Dec 14, 2020 12:43:46 GMT
You’ve just started one ..... and I’m all in 😀👍 Looks like Barnier is on board too.😉 why does there have to be a short period. can't we sign one of those continuity deals Liz Truss likes |
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Post by peterparker on Dec 14, 2020 13:23:16 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 14, 2020 13:34:51 GMT
Looks like Barnier is on board too.😉 why does there have to be a short period. can't we sign one of those continuity deals Liz Truss likes It has been suggested before, not sure it plays into Boris' narrative with his supporters though. If it's just a bridging period after an agreement in principle then it makes sense. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 14, 2020 14:04:05 GMT
I did smile at this line "an EU diplomat told Reuters that their main takeaway from the briefing was: "Patient still alive... but keep the undertaker on speed dial." " In terms of the UK signing off, "By law, the government can ratify a treaty 21 sitting days after it is laid before parliament. The process can be speeded up if necessary. If MPs vote against it, a further 21-day period kicks in. However, under Brexit legislation already passed the government is not obliged to hold a vote. Further legislation may be needed though to implement an EU-UK treaty. UK parliamentary managers have reportedly been drawing up legislation in anticipation of a deal, in order to get it passed in time for January 1." www.google.com/amp/s/www.euronews.com/amp/2020/11/26/brexit-is-there-enough-time-left-to-ratify-a-uk-eu-trade-deal-even-if-one-is-agreed |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 14:24:58 GMT
I did smile at this line "an EU diplomat told Reuters that their main takeaway from the briefing was: "Patient still alive... but keep the undertaker on speed dial." " In terms of the UK signing off, "By law, the government can ratify a treaty 21 sitting days after it is laid before parliament. The process can be speeded up if necessary. If MPs vote against it, a further 21-day period kicks in. However, under Brexit legislation already passed the government is not obliged to hold a vote. Further legislation may be needed though to implement an EU-UK treaty. UK parliamentary managers have reportedly been drawing up legislation in anticipation of a deal, in order to get it passed in time for January 1." www.google.com/amp/s/www.euronews.com/amp/2020/11/26/brexit-is-there-enough-time-left-to-ratify-a-uk-eu-trade-deal-even-if-one-is-agreedI don't know if I missed it on here, but it seems there is a workaround agreed on the future standards issue. "The Evolutionary Clause" Just do it please |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 14, 2020 14:38:44 GMT
I did smile at this line "an EU diplomat told Reuters that their main takeaway from the briefing was: "Patient still alive... but keep the undertaker on speed dial." " In terms of the UK signing off, "By law, the government can ratify a treaty 21 sitting days after it is laid before parliament. The process can be speeded up if necessary. If MPs vote against it, a further 21-day period kicks in. However, under Brexit legislation already passed the government is not obliged to hold a vote. Further legislation may be needed though to implement an EU-UK treaty. UK parliamentary managers have reportedly been drawing up legislation in anticipation of a deal, in order to get it passed in time for January 1." www.google.com/amp/s/www.euronews.com/amp/2020/11/26/brexit-is-there-enough-time-left-to-ratify-a-uk-eu-trade-deal-even-if-one-is-agreedI don't know if I missed it on here, but it seems there is a workaround agreed on the future standards issue. "The Evolutionary Clause" Just do it please It's behind a paywall, but the Telegraph has a headline about fish being the issue which is holding up an agreement. Maybe something in that article. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 14, 2020 14:58:30 GMT
Bookies now have a deal at 1/2 .
Boris was always going to sign a deal of some sort .... it’ll be a load of sh**e but better than nothing .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 15:05:18 GMT
I don't know if I missed it on here, but it seems there is a workaround agreed on the future standards issue. "The Evolutionary Clause" Just do it please It's behind a paywall, but the Telegraph has a headline about fish being the issue which is holding up an agreement. Maybe something in that article. Yes It seems fishing rights are the last remaining issue. Ffs, arguing about something that means naff all to 99% of UK citizens. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 14, 2020 15:10:06 GMT
I did smile at this line "an EU diplomat told Reuters that their main takeaway from the briefing was: "Patient still alive... but keep the undertaker on speed dial." " In terms of the UK signing off, "By law, the government can ratify a treaty 21 sitting days after it is laid before parliament. The process can be speeded up if necessary. If MPs vote against it, a further 21-day period kicks in. However, under Brexit legislation already passed the government is not obliged to hold a vote. Further legislation may be needed though to implement an EU-UK treaty. UK parliamentary managers have reportedly been drawing up legislation in anticipation of a deal, in order to get it passed in time for January 1." www.google.com/amp/s/www.euronews.com/amp/2020/11/26/brexit-is-there-enough-time-left-to-ratify-a-uk-eu-trade-deal-even-if-one-is-agreed"don't buy any green bananas"  |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 14, 2020 15:34:32 GMT
It's behind a paywall, but the Telegraph has a headline about fish being the issue which is holding up an agreement. Maybe something in that article. Yes It seems fishing rights are the last remaining issue. Ffs, arguing about something that means naff all to 99% of UK citizens. 0.5% of the economy ( could be less?) , and fishing Quotas we sold anyway . Boris Johnson wants to leave the capitulation to the very last minute so the ERG can't scrutinise the fact that he's capitulated on level playing field |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 14, 2020 20:45:56 GMT
Seems positive and pragmatic. From the FT: However the breakthrough came this past weekend. Mr Barnier told EU ambassadors on Monday that Britain had accepted the principle of having the mechanism if enough safeguards were built in to prevent abuse — removing the threat of “lightning tariffs” imposed by the EU EU officials said that talks were now centred on the tests for working out if the level playing field is in jeopardy, on the processes for using the mechanism — including the role of independent arbitration — and on the remedies that the disadvantaged side could take. The progress means the two sides are no longer arguing about big political questions of British sovereignty versus the integrity of the EU single market but debating ways to manage regulatory divergence. Mr Johnson’s allies are already branding the proposed new mechanism a “freedom clause” — a title aimed at reassuring Tory Eurosceptic MPs that Britain would retain the right to set its own regulatory course, albeit with an orderly system of “rebalancing” tariffs if divergence was too great. For the EU’s 27 member states, the new mechanism would be hailed as a guarantee against the danger that a red-blooded deregulatory Tory government might in future unfairly undermine the EU single market. A potential deal which allows for two rival definitions of “victory” appears to be taking shape. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/ca2da6a9-2446-4b61-ba95-860f8c1ee92c |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 14, 2020 21:13:53 GMT
Seems positive and pragmatic. From the FT: However the breakthrough came this past weekend. Mr Barnier told EU ambassadors on Monday that Britain had accepted the principle of having the mechanism if enough safeguards were built in to prevent abuse — removing the threat of “lightning tariffs” imposed by the EU EU officials said that talks were now centred on the tests for working out if the level playing field is in jeopardy, on the processes for using the mechanism — including the role of independent arbitration — and on the remedies that the disadvantaged side could take. The progress means the two sides are no longer arguing about big political questions of British sovereignty versus the integrity of the EU single market but debating ways to manage regulatory divergence. Mr Johnson’s allies are already branding the proposed new mechanism a “freedom clause” — a title aimed at reassuring Tory Eurosceptic MPs that Britain would retain the right to set its own regulatory course, albeit with an orderly system of “rebalancing” tariffs if divergence was too great. For the EU’s 27 member states, the new mechanism would be hailed as a guarantee against the danger that a red-blooded deregulatory Tory government might in future unfairly undermine the EU single market. A potential deal which allows for two rival definitions of “victory” appears to be taking shape. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/ca2da6a9-2446-4b61-ba95-860f8c1ee92cThat will be good news,everyone can declare they won and after 4 years we can all move on . |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 9:45:46 GMT
Seems positive and pragmatic. From the FT: However the breakthrough came this past weekend. Mr Barnier told EU ambassadors on Monday that Britain had accepted the principle of having the mechanism if enough safeguards were built in to prevent abuse — removing the threat of “lightning tariffs” imposed by the EU EU officials said that talks were now centred on the tests for working out if the level playing field is in jeopardy, on the processes for using the mechanism — including the role of independent arbitration — and on the remedies that the disadvantaged side could take. The progress means the two sides are no longer arguing about big political questions of British sovereignty versus the integrity of the EU single market but debating ways to manage regulatory divergence. Mr Johnson’s allies are already branding the proposed new mechanism a “freedom clause” — a title aimed at reassuring Tory Eurosceptic MPs that Britain would retain the right to set its own regulatory course, albeit with an orderly system of “rebalancing” tariffs if divergence was too great. For the EU’s 27 member states, the new mechanism would be hailed as a guarantee against the danger that a red-blooded deregulatory Tory government might in future unfairly undermine the EU single market. A potential deal which allows for two rival definitions of “victory” appears to be taking shape. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/ca2da6a9-2446-4b61-ba95-860f8c1ee92cThat will be good news,everyone can declare they won and after 4 years we can all move on . Hopefully. It seems like the brexit saga will never end at this point, it'll be used to divide and conquer as long as possible. And I'm sure media outlets love it for the clicks it generates. |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 15, 2020 11:30:52 GMT
That will be good news,everyone can declare they won and after 4 years we can all move on . Hopefully. It seems like the brexit saga will never end at this point, it'll be used to divide and conquer as long as possible. And I'm sure media outlets love it for the clicks it generates. Agree,the media are having a great time with all the spin and opining on every little word/nuance. Bit like the vaccine yesterday they crawl over every bit of information and blow it up out of all context,really pees me off😕😆😆 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 11:36:07 GMT
Hopefully. It seems like the brexit saga will never end at this point, it'll be used to divide and conquer as long as possible. And I'm sure media outlets love it for the clicks it generates. Agree,the media are having a great time with all the spin and opining on every little word/nuance. Bit like the vaccine yesterday they crawl over every bit of information and blow it up out of all context,really pees me off😕😆😆 Yes They really do need to pull back. All for deep analysis that enables greater understanding, but adding minutes to a baseline story, minutes of useless guff, is debasing reporting. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 11:37:42 GMT
Agree,the media are having a great time with all the spin and opining on every little word/nuance. Bit like the vaccine yesterday they crawl over every bit of information and blow it up out of all context,really pees me off😕😆😆 Yes They really do need to pull back. All for deep analysis that enables greater understanding, but adding minutes to a baseline story, minutes of useless guff, is debasing reporting. Post edit. That's why C4 7pm news broadcast is so superior. One slot per day, one or two main stories focussed upon. One hour. The best, by far. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 12:08:08 GMT
Yes They really do need to pull back. All for deep analysis that enables greater understanding, but adding minutes to a baseline story, minutes of useless guff, is debasing reporting. Post edit. That's why C4 7pm news broadcast is so superior. One slot per day, one or two main stories focussed upon. One hour. The best, by far. Agree with the Ch 4 news, they seem to have a more balanced view and interesting guests that the BBC & ITV will never entertain at peak time. |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 15, 2020 16:05:27 GMT
Agree,the media are having a great time with all the spin and opining on every little word/nuance. Bit like the vaccine yesterday they crawl over every bit of information and blow it up out of all context,really pees me off😕😆😆 Yes They really do need to pull back. All for deep analysis that enables greater understanding, but adding minutes to a baseline story, minutes of useless guff, is debasing reporting. Totally agree,it's been getting my goat for months😣 |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 15, 2020 16:21:15 GMT
Deal incoming .....
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