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Post by yattongas on Dec 21, 2020 23:31:31 GMT
The Prime Minister said at 5pm there were 174 lorries on the M20. Turns out it’s 945 and counting. Why did he say haulage firms weren’t travelling to Dover any more? Why is his first instinct always to hide the truth? He just can’t help himself, can he?
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 21, 2020 23:34:27 GMT
Maybe we are getting there. Papers are suggesting a compromise on fishing.
According to the Guardian quota by value reduction of 35% (EU wanted 25%, we wanted 60%) and a phase in period of 5 years (EU wanted 7, offered 2 or 3 from memory).
Independent arbitration panel on quotas and a termination clause allowing the whole trade deal to be reopened.
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Post by yattongas on Dec 21, 2020 23:37:18 GMT
900 lorries are parked on the M20 because of Dover disruption, according to Highways England
Another taken from Twitter ...
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Post by yattongas on Dec 21, 2020 23:45:00 GMT
I agree, although I did use a slightly more 'earthy' analogy a while back. 😶 Not long to go regarding a trade deal, October is the deadline in practical terms and negotiations resume on Tuesday. This is the BBC's Europe Editor's take on things: "Compromises on both sides are inevitable if a deal is to be struck, but don't expect breakthroughs this week. For now, much of Europe is still on holiday, or dealing with the coronavirus crisis. Boris Johnson is also busy dealing with the fallout from the exams U-turn. The EU wants a deal, but the keenness for an agreement - even a thin one - doesn't mean they will settle for a deal at any price. France is jumpy that Michel Barnier may be so keen to be seen to get a deal done with UK this autumn that he "could be tempted to give away too much". Meanwhile, German Chancellor Angela Merkel repeats over and over that the EU won't agree to anything it believes would damage its single market. The EU believes Mr Johnson needs to show he can reach a deal, especially after controversy surrounding the government's initial handling of Covid-19. But the politics of compromise shouldn't be underestimated. Compromise can be found - but if it comes it is likely to be last-minute, around October time. The EU thinks a deal is still more likely than no deal. But only just." I'm intrigued by what those compromises could be, unless either side gives significant way on key sticking points (fishing, level playing field, role of ECJ), I can see a rolling 'holding' agreement that can be sold to the electorate and the ERG-wing. l It will be a wafer thin sh** deal that Boris will trump as the greatest deal ever . The ERG headbangers will also say it’s great ..... then two weeks later say is awful. There will be something about fish , it’ll be no better than today’s deal but they’ll say it is . Boris will cave on more than the EU side does but as is the norm will claim they have. The brexiteers will wave their Union Jack flags , bang on about forriners, control and the usual crap but think we’ve won. Nigel Fartage will say it’s crap.... because that’s the only way he can stay relevant. They’ll all moan in 6 months time , blame those bloody forriners again say it’s all the EU’s fault. Happy times . It’s coming .... |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 22, 2020 0:03:26 GMT
l It will be a wafer thin sh** deal that Boris will trump as the greatest deal ever . The ERG headbangers will also say it’s great ..... then two weeks later say is awful. There will be something about fish , it’ll be no better than today’s deal but they’ll say it is . Boris will cave on more than the EU side does but as is the norm will claim they have. The brexiteers will wave their Union Jack flags , bang on about forriners, control and the usual crap but think we’ve won. Nigel Fartage will say it’s crap.... because that’s the only way he can stay relevant. They’ll all moan in 6 months time , blame those bloody forriners again say it’s all the EU’s fault. Happy times . It’s coming .... Yep, legislating for it will be interesting. Rushed through, provisional agreement pending proper ratification or a period of WTO? |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 22, 2020 0:07:40 GMT
Yep, legislating for it will be interesting. Rushed through, provisional agreement pending proper ratification or a period of WTO? Last minute is the only way he can get it past the head bangers . David Davis will say I told you so . It’s like reading a story to your kids |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 22, 2020 0:13:20 GMT
Yep, legislating for it will be interesting. Rushed through, provisional agreement pending proper ratification or a period of WTO? Last minute is the only way he can get it past the head bangers . David Davis will say I told you so . It’s like reading a story to your kids I agree. The funny thing is you may recall Nobby kept going on (incorrectly by the way) that Maastricht was voted through over Christmas with no time for proper scrutiny. |
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Post by peterparker on Dec 22, 2020 7:42:15 GMT
Yep, legislating for it will be interesting. Rushed through, provisional agreement pending proper ratification or a period of WTO? Surely if a deal is ready, than the transition period has to be extended to the end of January. No MP on any side can justify rushing through a deal in a day. I think ultimately it would get through whatever, but we all know the fuss it will caUse if it is rushed through without proper debate and parliamentary scrutiny |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 8:11:43 GMT
The Prime Minister said at 5pm there were 174 lorries on the M20. Turns out it’s 945 and counting. Why did he say haulage firms weren’t travelling to Dover any more? Why is his first instinct always to hide the truth? He just can’t help himself, can he? Mad that I'm getting a random gashead on a football forum fact checking the top politician in the country. |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 22, 2020 8:26:49 GMT
Yep, legislating for it will be interesting. Rushed through, provisional agreement pending proper ratification or a period of WTO? Surely if a deal is ready, than the transition period has to be extended to the end of January. No MP on any side can justify rushing through a deal in a day. I think ultimately it would get through whatever, but we all know the fuss it will caUse if it is rushed through without proper debate and parliamentary scrutiny The lords surely won’t rush it through, even if the Tory’s do? They just don’t like any scrutiny and won’t want any. Let’s not forget that when Rory Stewart said he would extend Brexit by a month if he had to if a deal was really close and it was just a formality - Boris, Gove and Raab absolutely slated him live in TV saying they’d never do it even under those circumstances. Let’s see what’ll happen |
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Post by peterparker on Dec 22, 2020 9:42:29 GMT
try not to laugh
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Post by francegas on Dec 22, 2020 10:31:25 GMT
The Prime Minister said at 5pm there were 174 lorries on the M20. Turns out it’s 945 and counting. Why did he say haulage firms weren’t travelling to Dover any more? Why is his first instinct always to hide the truth? He just can’t help himself, can he? Mad that I'm getting a random gashead on a football forum fact checking the top politician in the country. It depends what reports you want to believe. At the time the Prime Minister spoke Kent Highways estimated approx 500 lorries, so I agree not the 174 as quoted by Boris and certainly not the 945 as others have quoted. It may well have peaked at 945 but not when Boris spoke. |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 22, 2020 11:52:59 GMT
Mad that I'm getting a random gashead on a football forum fact checking the top politician in the country. It depends what reports you want to believe. At the time the Prime Minister spoke Kent Highways estimated approx 500 lorries, so I agree not the 174 as quoted by Boris and certainly not the 945 as others have quoted. It may well have peaked at 945 but not when Boris spoke. I mean really,it was a point in time number and lorries are arriving by the minute so logically it's bound to increase,in would hope most people would get that when the PM spoke. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 12:17:03 GMT
Tory apologists - are you doing satire at this point?
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 22, 2020 13:51:25 GMT
Does anybody care if its 500 or 1500?,I can't get too excited about it. |
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Post by peterparker on Dec 22, 2020 14:11:41 GMT
Does anybody care if its 500 or 1500?,I can't get too excited about it. It;s not the number. It's the fact that Home Secretary is just babbling 'nonsense' again What do they brief these ministers before they go on TV and do interviews |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 22, 2020 14:22:01 GMT
Does anybody care if its 500 or 1500?,I can't get too excited about it. It;s not the number. It's the fact that Home Secretary is just babbling 'nonsense' again What do they brief these ministers before they go on TV and do interviews Tbh I've given up listening to news as it's the same inane questions time and again and complete over analysis, the dear old Beeb even had a reporter this morning at a fresh fruit and veg distributors waxing lyrical about lettuce and rocket from Italy,ffs we ain't going to die from a shortage of rocket!!. They just love bad news and whipping it up into a crisis,a plague on all their houses,oh wait a minute..... |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 22, 2020 18:36:23 GMT
The UK is paying $37 per dose of the Moderna vaccine. The EU is paying $18 per dose. Both buyers ordered 40m doses. The EU offered the UK to join its buying consortium, but the UK turned them down. This is the team negotiating Brexit terms of trade.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 18:52:34 GMT
Truck drivers probably earn around £80/100k, not bad to be sat in an enormous car park!
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Post by Gassy on Dec 22, 2020 20:16:45 GMT
The UK is paying $37 per dose of the Moderna vaccine. The EU is paying $18 per dose. Both buyers ordered 40m doses. The EU offered the UK to join its buying consortium, but the UK turned them down. This is the team negotiating Brexit terms of trade. That'll teach the EU. Who's laughing now, eh? |
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