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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 26, 2020 14:07:38 GMT
Thought this was an interesting article. www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-24/the-inside-story-of-how-a-brexit-deal-was-done?sref=kA4qi9KT&utm_source=upday.samsung.browser&utm_medium=referralOn Dec. 19, the prime minister was preparing to announce to the nation that he was taking drastic action to lock down London and ban Christmas gatherings because of a new highly virulent coronavirus strain. He also signaled to Frost that the time had come to do a deal. As talks focused in on the issue of fishing rights, British negotiators were taken aback that the EU wasn’t budging as much as it thought it would, and by the following night things looked bleak again. In an attempt to get the deal over the line, Johnson and von der Leyen held two tense phone calls on Monday. The Commission president said the EU, particularly France, wouldn’t accept anything more than a 25% reduction in the amount of fish it could catch in British waters—and that this was the final offer. Johnson had been pushing for 80%, though had just proposed 30%, a figure that might already be difficult to sell to his party in Parliament. Both sides were now feeling nervous about the prospects of a deal before Christmas and when Johnson and von der Leyen spoke on Tuesday afternoon, they were still sticking to their guns. |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 26, 2020 14:18:59 GMT
Thought this was an interesting article. www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-24/the-inside-story-of-how-a-brexit-deal-was-done?sref=kA4qi9KT&utm_source=upday.samsung.browser&utm_medium=referralOn Dec. 19, the prime minister was preparing to announce to the nation that he was taking drastic action to lock down London and ban Christmas gatherings because of a new highly virulent coronavirus strain. He also signaled to Frost that the time had come to do a deal. As talks focused in on the issue of fishing rights, British negotiators were taken aback that the EU wasn’t budging as much as it thought it would, and by the following night things looked bleak again. In an attempt to get the deal over the line, Johnson and von der Leyen held two tense phone calls on Monday. The Commission president said the EU, particularly France, wouldn’t accept anything more than a 25% reduction in the amount of fish it could catch in British waters—and that this was the final offer. Johnson had been pushing for 80%, though had just proposed 30%, a figure that might already be difficult to sell to his party in Parliament. Both sides were now feeling nervous about the prospects of a deal before Christmas and when Johnson and von der Leyen spoke on Tuesday afternoon, they were still sticking to their guns. Whilst the media are stirring the sh**e on this I can't get to excited about fish and the quota,the bottom line is its going the right way albeit slower than some folk want but that's the nature of negotiations. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 26, 2020 14:39:20 GMT
Thought this was an interesting article. www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-24/the-inside-story-of-how-a-brexit-deal-was-done?sref=kA4qi9KT&utm_source=upday.samsung.browser&utm_medium=referralOn Dec. 19, the prime minister was preparing to announce to the nation that he was taking drastic action to lock down London and ban Christmas gatherings because of a new highly virulent coronavirus strain. He also signaled to Frost that the time had come to do a deal. As talks focused in on the issue of fishing rights, British negotiators were taken aback that the EU wasn’t budging as much as it thought it would, and by the following night things looked bleak again. In an attempt to get the deal over the line, Johnson and von der Leyen held two tense phone calls on Monday. The Commission president said the EU, particularly France, wouldn’t accept anything more than a 25% reduction in the amount of fish it could catch in British waters—and that this was the final offer. Johnson had been pushing for 80%, though had just proposed 30%, a figure that might already be difficult to sell to his party in Parliament. Both sides were now feeling nervous about the prospects of a deal before Christmas and when Johnson and von der Leyen spoke on Tuesday afternoon, they were still sticking to their guns. Whilst the media are stirring the sh**e on this I can't get to excited about fish and the quota,the bottom line is its going the right way albeit slower than some folk want but that's the nature of negotiations. Fish seems to be the totemic issue and I agree though, not the big issue as far as actual trade relations go. The thing for me is that Brexit should be a process, whereas it seems for some they see it as an event. Over time it wouldn't surprise me to see some adjustments, such as rejoining the Galileo project, Erasmus and Europol (examples only). |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 26, 2020 14:44:21 GMT
So British people visiting Gibraltar will have to show their passports but EU nationals won’t have to .
Another win 🇬🇧
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Post by yattongas on Dec 26, 2020 14:47:14 GMT
Whilst the media are stirring the sh**e on this I can't get to excited about fish and the quota,the bottom line is its going the right way albeit slower than some folk want but that's the nature of negotiations. Fish seems to be the totemic issue and I agree though, not the big issue as far as actual trade relations go. The thing for me is that Brexit should be a process, whereas it seems for some they see it as an event. Over time it wouldn't surprise me to see some adjustments, such as rejoining the Galileo project, Erasmus and Europol (examples only). Ian Dunt summed it up well . This is the furthest we’ll be away form the EU and we’ll spend future yrs gradually getting closer to improve trade etc . What a complete waste of time and many many Billions 💴 |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 26, 2020 14:47:20 GMT
Whilst the media are stirring the sh**e on this I can't get to excited about fish and the quota,the bottom line is its going the right way albeit slower than some folk want but that's the nature of negotiations. Fish seems to be the totemic issue and I agree though, not the big issue as far as actual trade relations go. The thing for me is that Brexit should be a process, whereas it seems for some they see it as an event. Over time it wouldn't surprise me to see some adjustments, such as rejoining the Galileo project, Erasmus and Europol (examples only). 100 % right Stuart there is no full stop after the 24th December, it's in all our interests to coperate as much as possible and I can see both sides reducing the red tape around trade once they realise how non productive and onerous it will be,my sense is were at the high water Mark now |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 26, 2020 14:52:55 GMT
Fish seems to be the totemic issue and I agree though, not the big issue as far as actual trade relations go. The thing for me is that Brexit should be a process, whereas it seems for some they see it as an event. Over time it wouldn't surprise me to see some adjustments, such as rejoining the Galileo project, Erasmus and Europol (examples only). Ian Dunt summed it up well . This is the furthest we’ll be away form the EU and we’ll spend future yrs gradually getting closer to improve trade etc . What a complete waste of time and many many Billions 💴 If you look at the bigger picture though whilst we may get closer to the EU we also have the option to strike trade deals across the globe an option that was not available. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 26, 2020 14:57:24 GMT
We gained 16% more fish in 5 years worth 0.003% of GDP
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Free movement
Recognition of qualifications
Driving licence recognition
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Security data
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Post by francegas on Dec 26, 2020 14:59:43 GMT
So British people visiting Gibraltar will have to show their passports but EU nationals won’t have to . Another win 🇬🇧 Grasping at straws here Yatton. Where ever I've traveled in Europe I've had to show my Passport. |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 26, 2020 15:03:28 GMT
We gained 16% more fish in 5 years worth 0.003% of GDP Lost Free movement Recognition of qualifications Driving licence recognition Pet passports Erasmus Security data 6% of GDP EHIC Data roaming Frictionless trade Single energy market Galileo Internal Hauliers market Dont you think the majority will be replaced ie: Erasmus,EHIC already are going to be and has data roaming gone I thought the major providers have already confirmed they are not going to make changes |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 26, 2020 15:04:58 GMT
So British people visiting Gibraltar will have to show their passports but EU nationals won’t have to . Another win 🇬🇧 Grasping at straws here Yatton. Where ever I've traveled in Europe I've had to show my Passport. True |
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Post by oldgas on Dec 26, 2020 15:07:41 GMT
2 hours ago Peter Parker published an amazing few paragraphs summary of a 1200+ legal text document, which seeks to destroy the trade deal with the EU. I don’t know if he lifted it from a Remainer site, but it’s so selective and negative to be laughable. It’s as if it was created with the assistance of the Flat EarthSociety. Meanwhile, here’s something more informative, published by HM Government, no less. www.gov.uk/government/publications/agreements-reached-between-the-united-kingdom-of-great-britain-and-northern-ireland-and-the-european-union/summary-explainerHappy readin and Merry Xmas. my conclusions are that PP is being unnecessarily pessimistic and seeking to show the deal in the worst possible light. I believe this to be nothing more than. A Remainer stamping his feet, putting his fingers in his ears anc singing La la la la la. A bit like Oldie really. In other news the Times is saying GB has overtaken India (pop. 1 billion) to regain 5th largest economy, with the prediction we will motor away and leave France in our dust. Good, yes? Its from the BBC. www.bbc.co.uk/news/55252388As for your link it seems that is the HMG spin rather that the actual things we have to do/lose access to The BBC? THE BBC?  Would that be the same BBC that has consistenty pushed the Remainer argument, and who’s main commentators are twisted-mouth with twisted lies Kuensberg, and the EUs spokeswoman Katia Adler. The same BBC who’s QT panel and audiences are loaded with Left-Wing activists, supporters and activists. I watch the BBC news and CA programmes in the vain hope they will one day give a balanced and fair presentation. I have to say that up to now and in the words of Diana Ross, I’m still waiting |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 15:13:52 GMT
Grasping at straws here Yatton. Where ever I've traveled in Europe I've had to show my Passport. True Because we were never in Schengen |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 26, 2020 15:18:20 GMT
Because we were never in Schengen Correct good afternoon Les hope Xmas was good? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 15:21:10 GMT
Because we were never in Schengen Correct good afternoon Les hope Xmas was good? Hi Clive Alone, but many in a much worse position than me. Let's hope 2021 allows us to move on. |
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Post by peterparker on Dec 26, 2020 15:23:08 GMT
Its from the BBC. www.bbc.co.uk/news/55252388As for your link it seems that is the HMG spin rather that the actual things we have to do/lose access to The BBC? THE BBC? Would that be the same BBC that has consistenty pushed the Remainer argument, and who’s main commentators are twisted-mouth with twisted lies Kuensberg, and the EUs spokeswoman Katia Adler. The same BBC who’s QT panel and audiences are loaded with Left-Wing activists, supporters and activists. I watch the BBC news and CA programmes in the vain hope they will one day give a balanced and fair presentation. I have to say that up to now and in the words of Diana Ross, I’m still waiting Take a step back a second. Even if the BBC have an agenda, in this instance they are simply pointing out facts. For instance we lose access to certain EU Security systems/databases. Whatever any opinion/agenda that is an undeniable fact No agreement on certain product safety/standards. Fact NI treated differently to rest of UK (something no PM could sign up to apparently) Fact |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 26, 2020 15:28:19 GMT
Correct good afternoon Les hope Xmas was good? Hi Clive Alone, but many in a much worse position than me. Let's hope 2021 allows us to move on. Not easy Les ,yep I'm hoping for a much better year in 2021,might finally get my hip done after it being delayed by Covid for nearly year,so got my optimistic head on !! |
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Post by oldgas on Dec 26, 2020 15:30:41 GMT
Thought this was an interesting article. www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-24/the-inside-story-of-how-a-brexit-deal-was-done?sref=kA4qi9KT&utm_source=upday.samsung.browser&utm_medium=referralOn Dec. 19, the prime minister was preparing to announce to the nation that he was taking drastic action to lock down London and ban Christmas gatherings because of a new highly virulent coronavirus strain. He also signaled to Frost that the time had come to do a deal. As talks focused in on the issue of fishing rights, British negotiators were taken aback that the EU wasn’t budging as much as it thought it would, and by the following night things looked bleak again. In an attempt to get the deal over the line, Johnson and von der Leyen held two tense phone calls on Monday. The Commission president said the EU, particularly France, wouldn’t accept anything more than a 25% reduction in the amount of fish it could catch in British waters—and that this was the final offer. Johnson had been pushing for 80%, though had just proposed 30%, a figure that might already be difficult to sell to his party in Parliament. Both sides were now feeling nervous about the prospects of a deal before Christmas and when Johnson and von der Leyen spoke on Tuesday afternoon, they were still sticking to their guns. Whilst the media are stirring the sh**e on this I can't get to excited about fish and the quota,the bottom line is its going the right way albeit slower than some folk want but that's the nature of negotiations. Quite right. Oldie, Yatton and the rest of the Remainer usual suspects have never tired of ridiculing Leave aspirations to take back control of our fishing waters, sneering that fishing accounted for only 0.1% of our GDP. If that’s so, how much of the EUs GDP does fishing represent? Why are they making such a fuss about it? Because of that asshole Macron, that’s why, and his disgusting little tactic of closing the border this week shows what an odious little turd he really is. I believe testimg has found that 3 lorry drivers had Covid. 3! I look forward to him being booted out by Marine Le Pen. The deal gives us back 25% and that lasts for 5 years. In 5 years we should be able to rebuild the fleet, and in the ,meantime the RN needs to make sure the cheating French aren’t taking mor than their share. At the end of that period we will then be able to decide how much fishing each country can undertake. Quite why Remainers are making such a deal out of fishing when they were derided it so fulsomely is difficult to understand. Sore losers maybe? |
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Post by peterparker on Dec 26, 2020 15:41:20 GMT
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 26, 2020 15:50:57 GMT
Bit of a non story,so there will have to be an annual negotiation on quotas I don't see that as a bad thing, might help preserve stocks |
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