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Post by peterparker on Dec 26, 2020 16:04:08 GMT
Bit of a non story,so there will have to be an annual negotiation on quotas I don't see that as a bad thing, might help preserve stocks Possibly. I dont know if its a good or bad thing,But the fishing community seem a bit unhappy. Even if i thought it was a good thing, doesnt necessarily make it, what was promised and I dont have to sell it them |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 26, 2020 16:09:28 GMT
Bit of a non story,so there will have to be an annual negotiation on quotas I don't see that as a bad thing, might help preserve stocks Possibly. I dont know if its a good or bad thing,But the fishing community seem a bit unhappy. Even if i thought it was a good thing, doesnt necessarily make it, what was promised and I dont have to sell it them True,they were going to be unhappy with any form of compromise methinks,I just don't see it as very important in the context of an overall deal. However,I'm sure the ERG will huff and puff about it but with Labour voting for it will make no difference. |
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Post by oldgas on Dec 26, 2020 16:30:36 GMT
Bit of a non story,so there will have to be an annual negotiation on quotas I don't see that as a bad thing, might help preserve stocks Possibly. I dont know if its a good or bad thing,But the fishing community seem a bit unhappy. Even if i thought it was a good thing, doesnt necessarily make it, what was promised and I dont have to sell it them It’s got to be good for British fishing. The present fleet will have To go some to suddenly catch 25% more. The fleet will have to be built up over time. In 5 years, if we have the capacity, we can take back say another 10% per year. Even if we don’t want to catch a lot more, we can stop EU nations from catching as much and use that as a bargaining tool. If in that time we’ve signed a number of deals with other countries we will less reliant on trading with the EU which will weaken their negotiating position. As long as the main access to the European mainland is via France, as long as they have an asshole like Macron in charge they will block and obstruct us at every opportunity. Thus it is important we strike deals with the rest of the world. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 26, 2020 16:36:43 GMT
It was all about the bloody fish and they couldn’t even get a win on that . Embarrassing 😳
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Post by oldgas on Dec 26, 2020 16:38:58 GMT
Fish seems to be the totemic issue and I agree though, not the big issue as far as actual trade relations go. The thing for me is that Brexit should be a process, whereas it seems for some they see it as an event. Over time it wouldn't surprise me to see some adjustments, such as rejoining the Galileo project, Erasmus and Europol (examples only). Ian Dunt summed it up well . This is the furthest we’ll be away form the EU and we’ll spend future yrs gradually getting closer to improve trade etc . What a complete waste of time and many many Billions 💴 Nothing wrong with improving trading relations over time. The point is we won’t be paying £15 billion pa, have to obey their rules, laws and have the European court having supremacy over our legal system. We also have increasing control over our waters and borders. So to say the Brexit process and Brexit itself is a waste of time is a complete and utter mis-representation of the facts. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 26, 2020 16:40:01 GMT
The fleet will have to be built up !
What complete and utter nonsense from the forum buffoon. We’re getting just 25% over 5 yrs ..... that’s 5%!a year. You hardly have to build up a fleet for 5 bloody percent 😂😂😂
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Post by oldgas on Dec 26, 2020 16:42:07 GMT
It was all about the bloody fish and they couldn’t even get a win on that . Embarrassing 😳 Utter, utter rubbish. It seems your understanding of Brexit is about the same as your comprehension of racism. |
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Post by oldgas on Dec 26, 2020 16:43:01 GMT
The fleet will have to be built up ! What complete and utter nonsense from the forum buffoon. We’re getting just 25% over 5 yrs ..... that’s 5%!a year. You hardly have to build up a fleet for 5 bloody percent 😂😂😂 I thought you weren’t talking to me. |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 26, 2020 17:22:12 GMT
We gained 16% more fish in 5 years worth 0.003% of GDP Lost Free movement Recognition of qualifications Driving licence recognition Pet passports Erasmus Security data 6% of GDP EHIC Data roaming Frictionless trade Single energy market Galileo Internal Hauliers market What a shame this has been ignored. Wonder why. |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 26, 2020 17:23:10 GMT
So British people visiting Gibraltar will have to show their passports but EU nationals won’t have to . Another win 🇬🇧 Grasping at straws here Yatton. Where ever I've traveled in Europe I've had to show my Passport. And on the opposite view, when I lived in mainland Europe - I never showed my passport unless I left the Schengen zone. |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 26, 2020 17:33:28 GMT
We gained 16% more fish in 5 years worth 0.003% of GDP Lost Free movement Recognition of qualifications Driving licence recognition Pet passports Erasmus Security data 6% of GDP EHIC Data roaming Frictionless trade Single energy market Galileo Internal Hauliers market What a shame this has been ignored. Wonder why. I replied |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 26, 2020 17:54:35 GMT
We gained 16% more fish in 5 years worth 0.003% of GDP Lost Free movement Recognition of qualifications Driving licence recognition Pet passports Erasmus Security data 6% of GDP EHIC Data roaming Frictionless trade Single energy market Galileo Internal Hauliers market Dont you think the majority will be replaced ie: Erasmus,EHIC already are going to be and has data roaming gone I thought the major providers have already confirmed they are not going to make changes Missed this post, thanks TG. Erasmus doesn’t make as much sense to replace if the systems don’t harmonise, which I doubt they will. It’ll be a replacement in name only. EHIC agreed. Data roaming let’s see, I don’t trust companies to stick to it at all. Most likely they’ll make an agreement to change together in the next couple of years. And the rest? |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 26, 2020 18:09:08 GMT
Dont you think the majority will be replaced ie: Erasmus,EHIC already are going to be and has data roaming gone I thought the major providers have already confirmed they are not going to make changes Missed this post, thanks TG. Erasmus doesn’t make as much sense to replace if the systems don’t harmonise, which I doubt they will. It’ll be a replacement in name only. EHIC agreed. Data roaming let’s see, I don’t trust companies to stick to it at all. Most likely they’ll make an agreement to change together in the next couple of years. And the rest? Erasmus replaced just announced by the DOE, £100m to support Students who wish to take advantage anywhere in the World,called the Turing scheme after Alan Turing. Like everything in life Gassy I think we will move on and support programmes that are mutually beneficial if we canI see this agreement as a starting point not a finish , the GDP forecast is a forecast so we will have to wait and see. Let's see if our Business sector can be dynamic and grab the opportunities elsewhere my sense is we've grown complacent in the EU,time to shake ourselves out of that. |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 26, 2020 18:30:09 GMT
Missed this post, thanks TG. Erasmus doesn’t make as much sense to replace if the systems don’t harmonise, which I doubt they will. It’ll be a replacement in name only. EHIC agreed. Data roaming let’s see, I don’t trust companies to stick to it at all. Most likely they’ll make an agreement to change together in the next couple of years. And the rest? Erasmus replaced just announced by the DOE, £100m to support Students who wish to take advantage anywhere in the World,called the Turing scheme after Alan Turing. Like everything in life Gassy I think we will move on and support programmes that are mutually beneficial if we canI see this agreement as a starting point not a finish , the GDP forecast is a forecast so we will have to wait and see. Let's see if our Business sector can be dynamic and grab the opportunities elsewhere my sense is we've grown complacent in the EU,time to shake ourselves out of that. Can't really argue with that point of view, especially the complacency. However, one thing I won't accept is when people will look back on our time in the EU as a disaster where we've been trapped and bullied by Brussels. We've prospered under the EU, if that time is now over then so be it - we move on onwards & upwards (hopefully). But many of the comments of hatred towards the EU have just been pathetic. Personally, it wouldn't surprise me to see the UK join again in 20 years time. I think much of the younger generation are fully behind EU membership and unless we really prosper, I can see a movement to join again coming back around. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 26, 2020 18:31:15 GMT
Missed this post, thanks TG. Erasmus doesn’t make as much sense to replace if the systems don’t harmonise, which I doubt they will. It’ll be a replacement in name only. EHIC agreed. Data roaming let’s see, I don’t trust companies to stick to it at all. Most likely they’ll make an agreement to change together in the next couple of years. And the rest? Erasmus replaced just announced by the DOE, £100m to support Students who wish to take advantage anywhere in the World,called the Turing scheme after Alan Turing. Like everything in life Gassy I think we will move on and support programmes that are mutually beneficial if we canI see this agreement as a starting point not a finish , the GDP forecast is a forecast so we will have to wait and see. Let's see if our Business sector can be dynamic and grab the opportunities elsewhere my sense is we've grown complacent in the EU,time to shake ourselves out of that. Great for the kids of hard up families, instead of popping across to France or other EU countries by car or on the train they can fork out and get a plane ticket to the other side of the world to study . Another win 🇬🇧 |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 26, 2020 18:53:36 GMT
Missed this post, thanks TG. Erasmus doesn’t make as much sense to replace if the systems don’t harmonise, which I doubt they will. It’ll be a replacement in name only. EHIC agreed. Data roaming let’s see, I don’t trust companies to stick to it at all. Most likely they’ll make an agreement to change together in the next couple of years. And the rest? Erasmus replaced just announced by the DOE, £100m to support Students who wish to take advantage anywhere in the World,called the Turing scheme after Alan Turing. Like everything in life Gassy I think we will move on and support programmes that are mutually beneficial if we canI see this agreement as a starting point not a finish , the GDP forecast is a forecast so we will have to wait and see. Let's see if our Business sector can be dynamic and grab the opportunities elsewhere my sense is we've grown complacent in the EU,time to shake ourselves out of that. So after pledging we’d stay in and all this extra money we’re not sending to the EU ..... Boris is to give £100 million to Turing scheme but before it was 100s of millions for Erasmus . This is obvs another win 🇬🇧 |
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Post by oldgas on Dec 26, 2020 18:59:42 GMT
We gained 16% more fish in 5 years worth 0.003% of GDP Lost Free movement Recognition of qualifications Driving licence recognition Pet passports Erasmus Security data 6% of GDP EHIC Data roaming Frictionless trade Single energy market Galileo Internal Hauliers market Dont you think the majority will be replaced ie: Erasmus,EHIC already are going to be and has data roaming gone I thought the major providers have already confirmed they are not going to make changes Yatton is still trapped in his Private Frazer persona. "We're doomed Capn Mainwaring, We're all doomed, I tell 'e" Never mind, leave him to his navel gazing; he'll slowly come round when he sees the world is still turning on Jan 1st which, incidentally, is Freedom Day. Rejoice! |
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Post by oldgas on Dec 26, 2020 19:11:30 GMT
Erasmus replaced just announced by the DOE, £100m to support Students who wish to take advantage anywhere in the World,called the Turing scheme after Alan Turing. Like everything in life Gassy I think we will move on and support programmes that are mutually beneficial if we canI see this agreement as a starting point not a finish , the GDP forecast is a forecast so we will have to wait and see. Let's see if our Business sector can be dynamic and grab the opportunities elsewhere my sense is we've grown complacent in the EU,time to shake ourselves out of that. Can't really argue with that point of view, especially the complacency. However, one thing I won't accept is when people will look back on our time in the EU as a disaster where we've been trapped and bullied by Brussels. We've prospered under the EU, if that time is now over then so be it - we move on onwards & upwards (hopefully). But many of the comments of hatred towards the EU have just been pathetic. Personally, it wouldn't surprise me to see the UK join again in 20 years time. I think much of the younger generation are fully behind EU membership and unless we really prosper, I can see a movement to join again coming back around. In all seriousness I can't see the EU surviving in its current format fo 20 years. I think the Euro currency is doomed, you just can't have one currency and a one size fits all economic policy with such divergent states. The Germans, with the French hanging on their coat tails will bully countries for only so long. Also, the Eastern European countries are more independently minded having not long escaped Soviet pclutches. They aren't keen on the closer integration demanded by Brussels, and I can see a number of nations saying enough, give us more freedom. The EU may in time return to what it should only ever have been, a Common Market for trading between European nations. Nothing wrong and plenty right with that, and it's what I voted for back in 1975. It was lying, cheating, duplicitous PM's of all shades that betrayed us. I'm so glad we're out. PS. I thought we were sh1t today. |
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Post by francegas on Dec 26, 2020 19:26:02 GMT
Grasping at straws here Yatton. Where ever I've traveled in Europe I've had to show my Passport. And on the opposite view, when I lived in mainland Europe - I never showed my passport unless I left the Schengen zone. Seems odd because I've flown several times from France to Italy and had to show a passport every time. Also drove from France into Switzerland (no one at the border going) however on the way back got into hot water as there was a presence at border checking passports and I didn't have mine on me. Live in France and driving a French registered car didn't think I'd need it driving to Switzerland. How wrong I was ! |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 26, 2020 19:43:11 GMT
Erasmus replaced just announced by the DOE, £100m to support Students who wish to take advantage anywhere in the World,called the Turing scheme after Alan Turing. Like everything in life Gassy I think we will move on and support programmes that are mutually beneficial if we canI see this agreement as a starting point not a finish , the GDP forecast is a forecast so we will have to wait and see. Let's see if our Business sector can be dynamic and grab the opportunities elsewhere my sense is we've grown complacent in the EU,time to shake ourselves out of that. Can't really argue with that point of view, especially the complacency. However, one thing I won't accept is when people will look back on our time in the EU as a disaster where we've been trapped and bullied by Brussels. We've prospered under the EU, if that time is now over then so be it - we move on onwards & upwards (hopefully). But many of the comments of hatred towards the EU have just been pathetic. Personally, it wouldn't surprise me to see the UK join again in 20 years time. I think much of the younger generation are fully behind EU membership and unless we really prosper, I can see a movement to join again coming back around. I agree with you in respect of your first paragraph and none of us can tell the future ,it will be an interesting period in our long and chequered history. |
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