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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 29, 2020 13:22:52 GMT
Prove him wrong then, answer PP's question. Your decision. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 29, 2020 13:28:04 GMT
Yes, I picked up the get out clause as well. I wonder why more was not made of that. For me that's a huge clause, which keeps the door open for the two ends of the argument, Leave on WTO or, dare I say it a "new" relationship. 🤞 Probably because it's not a real dynamic now issue for the media ,they would rather concentrate on the huge issue of fish😆. I think over time our relationship will naturally evolve as trust is rebuilt and both sides realise that having beaucratic protocols that serve little purpose other than hinder trade it may all become more relaxed. The break clause is standard according to this article. The other thing I noted from the Executive Summary is an agreement to review every 5 years. Possibly standard too but I would expect things will settle down and we adjust accordingly. www.politico.eu/article/10-key-details-uk-eu-brexit-trade-deal/The other thing to watch is the Services agreement which is supposed to be in place by March 2021, it's 80% of our economy and something we have a trade advantage over. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 13:28:53 GMT
Yes, I picked up the get out clause as well. I wonder why more was not made of that. For me that's a huge clause, which keeps the door open for the two ends of the argument, Leave on WTO or, dare I say it a "new" relationship. 🤞 Probably because it's not a real dynamic now issue for the media ,they would rather concentrate on the huge issue of fish😆. I think over time our relationship will naturally evolve as trust is rebuilt and both sides realise that having beaucratic protocols that serve little purpose other than hinder trade it may all become more relaxed. Indeed Money is like water isn't it. It always finds the easiest route. It's done now...time I think to concentrate now on the mountain of social issues we face. The only link back to our chosen economic path will be the ability to afford the solution, or not, as the case may be. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 13:35:20 GMT
Probably because it's not a real dynamic now issue for the media ,they would rather concentrate on the huge issue of fish😆. I think over time our relationship will naturally evolve as trust is rebuilt and both sides realise that having beaucratic protocols that serve little purpose other than hinder trade it may all become more relaxed. The break clause is standard according to this article. The other thing I noted from the Executive Summary is an agreement to review every 5 years. Possibly standard too but I would expect things will settle down and we adjust accordingly. www.politico.eu/article/10-key-details-uk-eu-brexit-trade-deal/The other thing to watch is the Services agreement which is supposed to be in place by March 2021, it's 80% of our economy and something we have a trade advantage over. I was unaware of the impending services agreement. Thanks. There is much said about the lack of an agreement covering our financial services sector. My gut feeling is that sector has already moved on. The heavy investment in Fintech, the highest in Europe in 2020 underpinning my assumption. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 13:39:17 GMT
Prove him wrong then, answer PP's question. Your decision. 🐖🌙🌙 |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 29, 2020 14:13:09 GMT
I'm sure we've all done it.... "It's clear that something is amiss in the drafting of this treaty, and we'd go so far as to venture the opinion that a tired civil servant simply cut-and-pasted from a late-1990s security document," news site Hackaday commented. www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55475433 |
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Post by oldgas on Dec 29, 2020 14:21:02 GMT
I know what you mean and I should probably know better. However I get infuriated when i read these Lilly-liveried left wingers making out they’re so clever, quoting selected Guardian, BBC etc articles and dissing this country, then caiming to be international business men and traders when most of them, with their ridiculous beliefs, would struggle to run a corner shop. not dissing the country Oldgas, just the lying lady gardens that are running it. What did you make of Boris' untruth that there are "No non-tariff barriers to Trade"? I genuine question I asked you a few days back do you think it was a lie? a mis-speak? or he has no idea what he is talking about? Lying c unts you say? How would you describe the architects of Project Fear? The biggest and best lying c unt was Osborn and Cameron who told us that in the wake of just a Leave vote the economy would shrink by 16% and 600,000 people would be out of work. That’s just some of the outright lies those C unts came out with (your side) when in fact until Covid struck, the economy had grown year on year, and unemployment was at its lowest ever level. Just imagine if the 2017 or 2019 elections had been won by Liebour. Just imagine the outright, utter C unts we would have running the country. Abbott, McDonnell, Barry two-faced lying C unt Gardiner, Rayner, Slimeball Paedo-protector Starmer, with that ragged old Steptoe Marxist C unt Corbyn at their head. If that motley collection, who make the ridiculous Oldie and Yatton look like they’re to the right of Gengis Khan, where do you think we’d be now? So, what is this statement by Boris to which you refer? Please give it some context. And, just pause and consider, is that really the best you can come up with? Freedom Day is 3 days and counting. REJOICE! |
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Post by oldgas on Dec 29, 2020 14:24:36 GMT
Probably because it's not a real dynamic now issue for the media ,they would rather concentrate on the huge issue of fish😆. I think over time our relationship will naturally evolve as trust is rebuilt and both sides realise that having beaucratic protocols that serve little purpose other than hinder trade it may all become more relaxed. Indeed Money is like water isn't it. It always finds the easiest route. It's done now...time I think to concentrate now on the mountain of social issues we face. The only link back to our chosen economic path will be the ability to afford the solution, or not, as the case may be. Social issues? What, those social issues that are so bad that half the world is crossing the globe, passing through a number of EU countries, countries you claim are far more civilised than here, and risking their lives to paddle across the English Channel so they can suffer those social issues themselves. You really want to give your head a good wobble. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 14:29:40 GMT
I am all for free speech, totally against censorship.
But the absolute ignorance exposed here by one member tries the patience.
I guess the redeeming feature is that by writing what he does, he exposes his ignorance for members to laugh at.
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 29, 2020 14:36:03 GMT
not dissing the country Oldgas, just the lying lady gardens that are running it. What did you make of Boris' untruth that there are "No non-tariff barriers to Trade"? I genuine question I asked you a few days back do you think it was a lie? a mis-speak? or he has no idea what he is talking about? Lying c unts you say? How would you describe the architects of Project Fear? The biggest and best lying c unt was Osborn and Cameron who told us that in the wake of just a Leave vote the economy would shrink by 16% and 600,000 people would be out of work. That’s just some of the outright lies those C unts came out with (your side) when in fact until Covid struck, the economy had grown year on year, and unemployment was at its lowest ever level. Just imagine if the 2017 or 2019 elections had been won by Liebour. Just imagine the outright, utter C unts we would have running the country. Abbott, McDonnell, Barry two-faced lying C unt Gardiner, Rayner, Slimeball Paedo-protector Starmer, with that ragged old Steptoe Marxist C unt Corbyn at their head. If that motley collection, who make the ridiculous Oldie and Yatton look like they’re to the right of Gengis Khan, where do you think we’d be now? So, what is this statement by Boris to which you refer? Please give it some context. And, just pause and consider, is that really the best you can come up with? Freedom Day is 3 days and counting. REJOICE! Is there really any need for that foul mouthed whataboutery rant? You could have simply asked for a link or that you didn't understand the context. Never mind, still just a few days to go and you'll be happy which is far more important than bringing all sides together after a very fractious 5 years. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 14:38:18 GMT
Lying c unts you say? How would you describe the architects of Project Fear? The biggest and best lying c unt was Osborn and Cameron who told us that in the wake of just a Leave vote the economy would shrink by 16% and 600,000 people would be out of work. That’s just some of the outright lies those C unts came out with (your side) when in fact until Covid struck, the economy had grown year on year, and unemployment was at its lowest ever level. Just imagine if the 2017 or 2019 elections had been won by Liebour. Just imagine the outright, utter C unts we would have running the country. Abbott, McDonnell, Barry two-faced lying C unt Gardiner, Rayner, Slimeball Paedo-protector Starmer, with that ragged old Steptoe Marxist C unt Corbyn at their head. If that motley collection, who make the ridiculous Oldie and Yatton look like they’re to the right of Gengis Khan, where do you think we’d be now? So, what is this statement by Boris to which you refer? Please give it some context. And, just pause and consider, is that really the best you can come up with? Freedom Day is 3 days and counting. REJOICE! Is there really any need for that foul mouthed whataboutery rant? You could have simply asked for a link or that you didn't understand the context. Never mind, still just a few days to go and you'll be happy which is far more important than bringing all sides together after a very fractious 5 years. He knows nothing more Stuart. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 29, 2020 14:41:14 GMT
not dissing the country Oldgas, just the lying lady gardens that are running it. What did you make of Boris' untruth that there are "No non-tariff barriers to Trade"? I genuine question I asked you a few days back do you think it was a lie? a mis-speak? or he has no idea what he is talking about? Lying c unts you say? How would you describe the architects of Project Fear? The biggest and best lying c unt was Osborn and Cameron who told us that in the wake of just a Leave vote the economy would shrink by 16% and 600,000 people would be out of work. That’s just some of the outright lies those C unts came out with (your side) when in fact until Covid struck, the economy had grown year on year, and unemployment was at its lowest ever level. Just imagine if the 2017 or 2019 elections had been won by Liebour. Just imagine the outright, utter C unts we would have running the country. Abbott, McDonnell, Barry two-faced lying C unt Gardiner, Rayner, Slimeball Paedo-protector Starmer, with that ragged old Steptoe Marxist C unt Corbyn at their head. If that motley collection, who make the ridiculous Oldie and Yatton look like they’re to the right of Gengis Khan, where do you think we’d be now? So, what is this statement by Boris to which you refer? Please give it some context. And, just pause and consider, is that really the best you can come up with? Freedom Day is 3 days and counting. REJOICE! Oh dear. On the port again. |
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Post by peterparker on Dec 29, 2020 14:44:37 GMT
not dissing the country Oldgas, just the lying lady gardens that are running it. What did you make of Boris' untruth that there are "No non-tariff barriers to Trade"? I genuine question I asked you a few days back do you think it was a lie? a mis-speak? or he has no idea what he is talking about? Lying c unts you say? How would you describe the architects of Project Fear? The biggest and best lying c unt was Osborn and Cameron who told us that in the wake of just a Leave vote the economy would shrink by 16% and 600,000 people would be out of work. That’s just some of the outright lies those C unts came out with (your side) when in fact until Covid struck, the economy had grown year on year, and unemployment was at its lowest ever level. Just imagine if the 2017 or 2019 elections had been won by Liebour. Just imagine the outright, utter C unts we would have running the country. Abbott, McDonnell, Barry two-faced lying C unt Gardiner, Rayner, Slimeball Paedo-protector Starmer, with that ragged old Steptoe Marxist C unt Corbyn at their head. If that motley collection, who make the ridiculous Oldie and Yatton look like they’re to the right of Gengis Khan, where do you think we’d be now? So, what is this statement by Boris to which you refer? Please give it some context. And, just pause and consider, is that really the best you can come up with? Freedom Day is 3 days and counting. REJOICE! oldgas It's just a genuine question literally said in his statement that there will be no non-tariff barriers to trade with the EU. This is untrue do you think he lied?, mis-spoke? or didn't know what he was talking about? I am not going to criticise whatever your answer is, I just want to know what your honest opinion is he stated an untruth either unintentionally or deliberately which HMRC says will cost business £7bn a year in paperwork (please note I am not calling him a liar, because I am interested in your honest opinion and I honestly don't know myself) |
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Post by oldgas on Dec 29, 2020 15:59:08 GMT
Lying c unts you say? How would you describe the architects of Project Fear? The biggest and best lying c unt was Osborn and Cameron who told us that in the wake of just a Leave vote the economy would shrink by 16% and 600,000 people would be out of work. That’s just some of the outright lies those C unts came out with (your side) when in fact until Covid struck, the economy had grown year on year, and unemployment was at its lowest ever level. Just imagine if the 2017 or 2019 elections had been won by Liebour. Just imagine the outright, utter C unts we would have running the country. Abbott, McDonnell, Barry two-faced lying C unt Gardiner, Rayner, Slimeball Paedo-protector Starmer, with that ragged old Steptoe Marxist C unt Corbyn at their head. If that motley collection, who make the ridiculous Oldie and Yatton look like they’re to the right of Gengis Khan, where do you think we’d be now? So, what is this statement by Boris to which you refer? Please give it some context. And, just pause and consider, is that really the best you can come up with? Freedom Day is 3 days and counting. REJOICE! Is there really any need for that foul mouthed whataboutery rant? You could have simply asked for a link or that you didn't understand the context. Never mind, still just a few days to go and you'll be happy which is far more important than bringing all sides together after a very fractious 5 years. Just using PP’s descriptive language, but I forgot its only permissible when said by a certain side. As for your favourite phrase whataboutery, if you think Labour as it was when the latest elections were held would have proved a success, please explain and give us your considered opinion. Im quite happy for all sides to come together, but the Remain side won’t let go, and even now are trotting out left wing propaganda about Brexit. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 29, 2020 16:08:32 GMT
Is there really any need for that foul mouthed whataboutery rant? You could have simply asked for a link or that you didn't understand the context. Never mind, still just a few days to go and you'll be happy which is far more important than bringing all sides together after a very fractious 5 years. Just using PP’s descriptive language, but I forgot its only permissible when said by a certain side. As for your favourite phrase whataboutery, if you think Labour as it was when the latest elections were held would have proved a success, please explain and give us your considered opinion. Im quite happy for all sides to come together, but the Remain side won’t let go, and even now are trotting out left wing propaganda about Brexit. Nope, read his post again and couldn't see the term "c unt" in there. As for not addressing his question, very disappointing. You've stated yourself, you only come on here to wind up remainers so a bit of perspective may be due. Francegas and Trevorgas engage just fine, I'm sure deep down you can too. |
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Post by oldgas on Dec 29, 2020 16:12:33 GMT
The break clause is standard according to this article. The other thing I noted from the Executive Summary is an agreement to review every 5 years. Possibly standard too but I would expect things will settle down and we adjust accordingly. www.politico.eu/article/10-key-details-uk-eu-brexit-trade-deal/The other thing to watch is the Services agreement which is supposed to be in place by March 2021, it's 80% of our economy and something we have a trade advantage over. I was unaware of the impending services agreement. Thanks. There is much said about the lack of an agreement covering our financial services sector. My gut feeling is that sector has already moved on. The heavy investment in Fintech, the highest in Europe in 2020 underpinning my assumption. Unaware of the impending service agreement? You’re probably unaware of the precise location of your own arse, which is surprising really, seeing as you spend your days talking out of it. Anyway, haven’t you got some highly ethical multi national trade deal to sign off? |
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Post by oldgas on Dec 29, 2020 16:17:29 GMT
Lying c unts you say? How would you describe the architects of Project Fear? The biggest and best lying c unt was Osborn and Cameron who told us that in the wake of just a Leave vote the economy would shrink by 16% and 600,000 people would be out of work. That’s just some of the outright lies those C unts came out with (your side) when in fact until Covid struck, the economy had grown year on year, and unemployment was at its lowest ever level. Just imagine if the 2017 or 2019 elections had been won by Liebour. Just imagine the outright, utter C unts we would have running the country. Abbott, McDonnell, Barry two-faced lying C unt Gardiner, Rayner, Slimeball Paedo-protector Starmer, with that ragged old Steptoe Marxist C unt Corbyn at their head. If that motley collection, who make the ridiculous Oldie and Yatton look like they’re to the right of Gengis Khan, where do you think we’d be now? So, what is this statement by Boris to which you refer? Please give it some context. And, just pause and consider, is that really the best you can come up with? Freedom Day is 3 days and counting. REJOICE! oldgas It's just a genuine question literally said in his statement that there will be no non-tariff barriers to trade with the EU. This is untrue do you think he lied?, mis-spoke? or didn't know what he was talking about? I am not going to criticise whatever your answer is, I just want to know what your honest opinion is he stated an untruth either unintentionally or deliberately which HMRC says will cost business £7bn a year in paperwork (please note I am not calling him a liar, because I am interested in your honest opinion and I honestly don't know myself) OK, I’ll give an answer based on what you have told me. To be honest I don’t understand the double negative aspect of his statement. When was it made, in what context, was it made at night after a long and arduous day of negotiation? Who knows, but if you’re pressing for an answer I think it likely he mis-spoke. Now wait for the booby trap to be sprung. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 16:18:24 GMT
Just using PP’s descriptive language, but I forgot its only permissible when said by a certain side. As for your favourite phrase whataboutery, if you think Labour as it was when the latest elections were held would have proved a success, please explain and give us your considered opinion. Im quite happy for all sides to come together, but the Remain side won’t let go, and even now are trotting out left wing propaganda about Brexit. Nope, read his post again and couldn't see the term "c unt" in there. As for not addressing his question, very disappointing. You've stated yourself, you only come on here to wind up remainers so a bit of perspective may be due. Francegas and Trevorgas engage just fine, I'm sure deep down you can too. As in his response to a post by me,not aimed at him, apparently not. |
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Post by oldgas on Dec 29, 2020 16:39:19 GMT
Neither fish nor fowl. A lot of time spent dissing the deal whilst suddenly concentrating on the importance of fishing, when before all were saying how marginal the matter was and not worth arguing over. As for repatriation of fishing rights, I’d say 25% over 5 years is a decent result, and if we can establish good trading relations around the world, in 5 years time we could well be in a position to dictate to the EU over fishing and the other matters that seem to bother the author, safe in the knowledge that punishment tariffs will be more harmful to them. Let us not forget it takes the EU an average of 10 years to agree a trade deal, since we left on 1/1/20 the UK has managed to agree a decent number. This country will thrive outside of the deceitful, decrepit and dishonest EU. The Remainers can concentrate on ignoring the s7ccess, instead immersing themselves in the Re-join the EU campaigns that are springing up on Social Media. |
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Post by oldgas on Dec 29, 2020 16:44:42 GMT
Just using PP’s descriptive language, but I forgot its only permissible when said by a certain side. As for your favourite phrase whataboutery, if you think Labour as it was when the latest elections were held would have proved a success, please explain and give us your considered opinion. Im quite happy for all sides to come together, but the Remain side won’t let go, and even now are trotting out left wing propaganda about Brexit. Nope, read his post again and couldn't see the term "c unt" in there. As for not addressing his question, very disappointing. You've stated yourself, you only come on here to wind up remainers so a bit of perspective may be due. Francegas and Trevorgas engage just fine, I'm sure deep down you can too. Well you’re wrong. PP referred to the Lady Gardens running the country. We all know that this forum substituted LG for C unt, so the intention was there. I also wrote C unt on several occasions as I was surprised someone from the Liberal Left would say that, it was used pretty tongue in cheek actually. Anyway, enjoy the rest of your day. |
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