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Post by oldgas on Dec 28, 2020 11:03:59 GMT
Gove advices all holidaymakers to get comprehensive travel insurance. Those old Brexit voters with dodgy tickers and other chronic illnesses maybe priced out of going ? 28% have no travel insurance at all. A lot of the others have a basic travel insurance policy . But surely all those wonderful EU countries would treat any foreign national who was unfortunate to be taken ill or injured in an accident, wouldn’t they? Without thinking? After all, the UK treats any nationality without question, regardless of whether they have insurance or have paid a penny in tax and NI. Surely the highly civilised EUcountries would do at least as much, wouldn’t they? Surely!
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Post by peterparker on Dec 28, 2020 11:25:12 GMT
28% have no travel insurance at all. A lot of the others have a basic travel insurance policy . But surely all those wonderful EU countries would treat any foreign national who was unfortunate to be taken ill or injured in an accident, wouldn’t they? Without thinking? After all, the UK treats any nationality without question, regardless of whether they have insurance or have paid a penny in tax and NI. Surely the highly civilised EUcountries would do at least as much, wouldn’t they? Surely! its not that they wont, its what it will cost
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Post by oldgas on Dec 28, 2020 11:48:58 GMT
But surely all those wonderful EU countries would treat any foreign national who was unfortunate to be taken ill or injured in an accident, wouldn’t they? Without thinking? After all, the UK treats any nationality without question, regardless of whether they have insurance or have paid a penny in tax and NI. Surely the highly civilised EUcountries would do at least as much, wouldn’t they? Surely! its not that they wont, its what it will cost Indeed, and I think you’ll find that in most cases we treat then present a bill, which very rarely if ever gets paid. Those wonderful EU countries demand proof of payment before they’ll hand out a Paracetamol tablet. Perhaps that’s another reason there are people risking their lives to cross the channel from wonderful France every day.
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Post by peterparker on Dec 28, 2020 12:21:17 GMT
its not that they wont, its what it will cost Indeed, and I think you’ll find that in most cases we treat then present a bill, which very rarely if ever gets paid. Those wonderful EU countries demand proof of payment before they’ll hand out a Paracetamol tablet. Perhaps that’s another reason there are people risking their lives to cross the channel from wonderful France every day. Thing is you can write the tabloid stories now. "I broke my leg in Ibiza and got a £2k bill"
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Post by oldgas on Dec 28, 2020 13:57:42 GMT
Indeed, and I think you’ll find that in most cases we treat then present a bill, which very rarely if ever gets paid. Those wonderful EU countries demand proof of payment before they’ll hand out a Paracetamol tablet. Perhaps that’s another reason there are people risking their lives to cross the channel from wonderful France every day. Thing is you can write the tabloid stories now. "I broke my leg in Ibiza and got a £2k bill" Well no, because when I go on holiday abroad I make sure I have full insurance for my family. I also take out collision waiver insurance here before I go because it’s much cheaper than buying it at the pick-up point. I don’t know why I would want to write a tabloid story about breaking my leg in the Balearics. All I have done is pointed out the different approaches to healthcare for foreign nationals here and in the EU. Probably in most other countries to be fair. If I am wrong please say so with evidence. I read in The Times today that several EU countries have broken ranks with regard to vaccinations, and that the EU has under-ordered doses and There may well be a shortage of doses. In the super-efficient utopia that is the EU? Surely not.
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Post by francegas on Dec 28, 2020 15:48:44 GMT
Thing is you can write the tabloid stories now. "I broke my leg in Ibiza and got a £2k bill" Well no, because when I go on holiday abroad I make sure I have full insurance for my family. I also take out collision waiver insurance here before I go because it’s much cheaper than buying it at the pick-up point. I don’t know why I would want to write a tabloid story about breaking my leg in the Balearics. All I have done is pointed out the different approaches to healthcare for foreign nationals here and in the EU. Probably in most other countries to be fair. If I am wrong please say so with evidence. I read in The Times today that several EU countries have broken ranks with regard to vaccinations, and that the EU has under-ordered doses and There may well be a shortage of doses. In the super-efficient utopia that is the EU? Surely not. You mean to say EU countries have broken ranks.....Never I thought it was a case of rolling out the vaccine and start vaccinating in every EU country on the same day 27th December as it's a case of stronger together. Yet Germany commence vaccinations on the 26th , France starting today and Ireland haven't yet started vaccinations. !!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 17:02:22 GMT
Well no, because when I go on holiday abroad I make sure I have full insurance for my family. I also take out collision waiver insurance here before I go because it’s much cheaper than buying it at the pick-up point. I don’t know why I would want to write a tabloid story about breaking my leg in the Balearics. All I have done is pointed out the different approaches to healthcare for foreign nationals here and in the EU. Probably in most other countries to be fair. If I am wrong please say so with evidence. I read in The Times today that several EU countries have broken ranks with regard to vaccinations, and that the EU has under-ordered doses and There may well be a shortage of doses. In the super-efficient utopia that is the EU? Surely not. You mean to say EU countries have broken ranks.....Never I thought it was a case of rolling out the vaccine and start vaccinating in every EU country on the same day 27th December as it's a case of stronger together. Yet Germany commence vaccinations on the 26th , France starting today and Ireland haven't yet started vaccinations. !! I never realised that the health systems of each individual member of the EU were uniform? Under the jurisdiction of one health authority? Because if they are not, which as we know they are not, how could it be that some authority in the EU could mandate the start date for each country, individually? I understand the policy of bulk buying by the EU on behalf of each individual country to enable a better price, but that's it.
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Post by peterparker on Dec 28, 2020 17:46:34 GMT
Well no, because when I go on holiday abroad I make sure I have full insurance for my family. I also take out collision waiver insurance here before I go because it’s much cheaper than buying it at the pick-up point. I don’t know why I would want to write a tabloid story about breaking my leg in the Balearics. All I have done is pointed out the different approaches to healthcare for foreign nationals here and in the EU. Probably in most other countries to be fair. If I am wrong please say so with evidence. I read in The Times today that several EU countries have broken ranks with regard to vaccinations, and that the EU has under-ordered doses and There may well be a shortage of doses. In the super-efficient utopia that is the EU? Surely not. You mean to say EU countries have broken ranks.....Never I thought it was a case of rolling out the vaccine and start vaccinating in every EU country on the same day 27th December as it's a case of stronger together. Yet Germany commence vaccinations on the 26th , France starting today and Ireland haven't yet started vaccinations. !! I think what you mean is Sovereign nations making their own decisions but using their collective buying power as a bloc
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Post by oldgas on Dec 28, 2020 18:40:51 GMT
I knowyouwill neversay a bad word about theEU. I’m sureGreece weren’t very happy at the way they were treated financially, Italy were abandoned at the start of Covid over PPE, France tried to stop a load of PPE that was loaded on lorries to come here.
You seem to have side-stepped the subject of having to pay before receiving treatment in the EU. I know there’s the health card, but when I tried to use it in Spain they made it so difficult for me I ended up producing my Insurance. All of a sudden they couldn’t do enough for me.
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Post by William Wilson on Dec 28, 2020 23:05:10 GMT
You seem to have side-stepped the subject of having to pay before receiving treatment in the EU. I know there’s the health card, but when I tried to use it in Spain they made it so difficult for me I ended up producing my Insurance. All of a sudden they couldn’t do enough for me. Well, I’ve got no sympathy for you, Oldgas. What on Earth possessed you to have a go at bull fighting?
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Post by oldgas on Dec 29, 2020 9:32:11 GMT
You seem to have side-stepped the subject of having to pay before receiving treatment in the EU. I know there’s the health card, but when I tried to use it in Spain they made it so difficult for me I ended up producing my Insurance. All of a sudden they couldn’t do enough for me. Well, I’ve got no sympathy for you, Oldgas. What on Earth possessed you to have a go at bull fighting? I know what you mean and I should probably know better. However I get infuriated when i read these Lilly-liveried left wingers making out they’re so clever, quoting selected Guardian, BBC etc articles and dissing this country, then caiming to be international business men and traders when most of them, with their ridiculous beliefs, would struggle to run a corner shop.
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Post by peterparker on Dec 29, 2020 9:38:51 GMT
Well, I’ve got no sympathy for you, Oldgas. What on Earth possessed you to have a go at bull fighting? I know what you mean and I should probably know better. However I get infuriated when i read these Lilly-liveried left wingers making out they’re so clever, quoting selected Guardian, BBC etc articles and dissing this country, then caiming to be international business men and traders when most of them, with their ridiculous beliefs, would struggle to run a corner shop. not dissing the country Oldgas, just the lying lady gardens that are running it. What did you make of Boris' untruth that there are "No non-tariff barriers to Trade"? I genuine question I asked you a few days back do you think it was a lie? a mis-speak? or he has no idea what he is talking about?
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Post by peterparker on Dec 29, 2020 10:32:10 GMT
Not an I told you so, or anything like that from me. But this is a small example of BREXIT reality.
I feel sorry for him and his staff and I hope it doesn't finish him
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 29, 2020 10:54:27 GMT
I know what you mean and I should probably know better. However I get infuriated when i read these Lilly-liveried left wingers making out they’re so clever, quoting selected Guardian, BBC etc articles and dissing this country, then caiming to be international business men and traders when most of them, with their ridiculous beliefs, would struggle to run a corner shop. not dissing the country Oldgas, just the lying lady gardens that are running it. What did you make of Boris' untruth that there are "No non-tariff barriers to Trade"? I genuine question I asked you a few days back do you think it was a lie? a mis-speak? or he has no idea what he is talking about? Wasting your time PP, Oldgas is just trolling.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 11:11:19 GMT
not dissing the country Oldgas, just the lying lady gardens that are running it. What did you make of Boris' untruth that there are "No non-tariff barriers to Trade"? I genuine question I asked you a few days back do you think it was a lie? a mis-speak? or he has no idea what he is talking about? Wasting your time PP, Oldgas is just trolling. Yep Like a child.
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 29, 2020 11:27:51 GMT
Very interesting particularly the "tucked away"termination clause. Like all Agreeements of this size the interpretation into practice on the ground will be the deal breaker. We all know that many Countries in the EU do not follow EU law/regulations and nothing is done,you only have to look at Health and Safety practices in Southern Mediterranean Countries.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 12:09:14 GMT
Very interesting particularly the "tucked away"termination clause. Like all Agreeements of this size the interpretation into practice on the ground will be the deal breaker. We all know that many Countries in the EU do not follow EU law/regulations and nothing is done,you only have to look at Health and Safety practices in Southern Mediterranean Countries. Yes, I picked up the get out clause as well. I wonder why more was not made of that. For me that's a huge clause, which keeps the door open for the two ends of the argument, Leave on WTO or, dare I say it a "new" relationship. 🤞
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 29, 2020 12:46:29 GMT
Very interesting particularly the "tucked away"termination clause. Like all Agreeements of this size the interpretation into practice on the ground will be the deal breaker. We all know that many Countries in the EU do not follow EU law/regulations and nothing is done,you only have to look at Health and Safety practices in Southern Mediterranean Countries. Yes, I picked up the get out clause as well. I wonder why more was not made of that. For me that's a huge clause, which keeps the door open for the two ends of the argument, Leave on WTO or, dare I say it a "new" relationship. 🤞 Probably because it's not a real dynamic now issue for the media ,they would rather concentrate on the huge issue of fish😆. I think over time our relationship will naturally evolve as trust is rebuilt and both sides realise that having beaucratic protocols that serve little purpose other than hinder trade it may all become more relaxed.
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Post by oldgas on Dec 29, 2020 13:11:10 GMT
Wasting your time PP, Oldgas is just trolling. Yep Like a child. Patronising twaddle.
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