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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 30, 2020 19:47:39 GMT
Interestingly, a lot of what you posted could be inverted and still hold true. Also, Farage talked about carrying on the campaign when he thought Remain had won. Project Fear wasn't all one way and plenty think certain papers and even BBC correspondants were in Boris' pockets. As for Theresa May's deal, still no need for terms like traitor or surrender, nor I see any comment about not winding up others. Not sure what the final staw was for Nobby. I know he and Gassy fell out big time but was holding his own Brexit wise up until then. I don’t agree with your first paragraph. The Remain side had the full weight of the government machine behind it. I dug out that pamphlet extolling the virtues of the EU that Cameron spend what, £9 million quid on. Leave couldn’t afford to do that. I re-read it and it was a pack of lies. Leave were up against the govt, Liebour and the Limp Dems, to say nothing of wee Jimmy Krankie. Nigel F. May have said he would have carried on, but I think I said I would have accepted Remain and carried on with my life, I would have accepted the democratic vote. Of course certain papers were pro Leave, just as the usual suspects were pro Remain. As for the BBC or their people being in Boris’ pocket, that’s got to be the best yet. Please name them and explain how they assisted Leave. From my certain recollection the BBC was massively in favour of Remain and then a second referendum, from those smug Islingtonites on HIGNFY to the fixed panels and audiences on QT. Afor that traitor May, that’s exactly what she was and her deal was a surrender and she hid behind the sofa during the referendum campaign and had to be ordered out to campaign by Cameron. Having got the top job she completely embarrassed herself with her craven attempts at negotiations and the EU side walked all over her. Totally useless. The hopeless deal she came back with should have filled your Remainer hearts with joy, but you had all got so arrogant and cocky that you thought you could overturn the ref result and stay in the EU. Thank God you did what you did, for without your assistance we would have never got Boris as PM and everything that followed. In the words of the song....”Who’s sorry now? Who’s sorry now? We’re out out of the EU so who’s sorry now? Government backed, but that wasn't what I said, I said Leave lied too. As for the BBC, if you ever read Laura Kuenssberg's Twitter account (and Robert Peston for ITV) there are plenty accusing her and I do recall her using Boris' words on The Daily Politics. Not saying it's true or that I believe it but the accusations are there. Boris was going to be PM regardless, just a matter of time. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 20:07:57 GMT
I will post as I choose thank you. Given my working career, to call me a Marxist is beyond laughable. That my views so starkly differ from yours says much more about you than me. It might add up to an interesting discussion if you did not defend your views by labelling those disagree with tags such as Marxist, but actually provided the evidence that has lead you to your view points. But you never have, ever. Your posts are just littered with inane ramblings, fact free rants and name calling. All in all you are, in my opinion, not worth the time of day. Absolutely, post what you want, it’s what free speech is all about. Unfortunately people of your persuasion only seem like free speech as long as others agree with you. It seems to me that you gang up on people who disagree with your political view and drive them out. Nobby, Eric and you’ve tried it with me. I kind of see what’s it must have been like to be Jewish in Corbyns Labour Party.You collectively make snide comments about people, question their intelligence and then moan and bleat when they return the compliment. So post your Marxist views, but I retain the right to challenge them and call you a Marxist. And I don’t care what you say you’ve done in business; you’re either a complete traitor to your beliefs of a total sham. A traitor to what beliefs? Pray tell? |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 30, 2020 20:12:40 GMT
Eric still lurks about liking and disliking posts. He hasn't posted since nobby left and so he didn't have anyone to bail him out anymore of the logical holes he kept digging himself. Seems he doesn't really believe you're a suitable replacement  IMHO. You’ve got that wrong as well Dribble. I suggest you go back and find the post where Eric said he would no longer engage and why. Oh it was just a joke don't be so precious |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 30, 2020 20:19:39 GMT
Absolutely, post what you want, it’s what free speech is all about. Unfortunately people of your persuasion only seem like free speech as long as others agree with you. It seems to me that you gang up on people who disagree with your political view and drive them out. Nobby, Eric and you’ve tried it with me. I kind of see what’s it must have been like to be Jewish in Corbyns Labour Party.You collectively make snide comments about people, question their intelligence and then moan and bleat when they return the compliment. So post your Marxist views, but I retain the right to challenge them and call you a Marxist. And I don’t care what you say you’ve done in business; you’re either a complete traitor to your beliefs of a total sham. A traitor to what beliefs? Pray tell? Don’t encourage him/it . |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 30, 2020 20:23:07 GMT
Absolutely, post what you want, it’s what free speech is all about. Unfortunately people of your persuasion only seem like free speech as long as others agree with you. It seems to me that you gang up on people who disagree with your political view and drive them out. Nobby, Eric and you’ve tried it with me. I kind of see what’s it must have been like to be Jewish in Corbyns Labour Party.You collectively make snide comments about people, question their intelligence and then moan and bleat when they return the compliment. So post your Marxist views, but I retain the right to challenge them and call you a Marxist. And I don’t care what you say you’ve done in business; you’re either a complete traitor to your beliefs of a total sham. A traitor to what beliefs? Pray tell? Have you been practising trickle down economics again Les you old rascal? This spoon doesn't even know what Marxism is. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 21:09:06 GMT
A traitor to what beliefs? Pray tell? Have you been practising trickle down economics again Les you old rascal? This spoon doesn't even know what Marxism is. 😂😂 Yeah I know. Just counting the accusations. Marxist Traitor Sham/Fraud Leader of International Conglomerates You got to laugh |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 30, 2020 21:34:38 GMT
Have you been practising trickle down economics again Les you old rascal? This spoon doesn't even know what Marxism is. 😂😂 Yeah I know. Just counting the accusations. Marxist Traitor Sham/Fraud Leader of International Conglomerates You got to laugh Not sure if you still have LinkedIn, but I’d be adding that immediately to my profile. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 30, 2020 22:44:48 GMT
Have you been practising trickle down economics again Les you old rascal? This spoon doesn't even know what Marxism is. 😂😂 Yeah I know. Just counting the accusations. Marxist Traitor Sham/Fraud Leader of International Conglomerates You got to laugh I’ve been working on the counter narrative. So far I’ve got ; Twat Racist Deluded Dreamer Misinformed ...... it’s a work in process Ps I’d be more than happy to meet oldgas face to face when we get back to the Mem for a chat , surely he’s gotta have some redeeming qualities? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 30, 2020 23:06:20 GMT
On a lighter note, Rory Bremner helped John Major. "Impressionist Rory Bremner "saved John Major's bacon" when he inadvertently thwarted a Tory revolt against him, newly released files show. Documents from the National Archives tell how Bremner impersonated the then-PM when he phoned Eurosceptic Tory MPs in 1993, asking for their support. They had planned to challenge Sir John's leadership at the time of the Conservative conference in Blackpool. But the lead rebel thought it was the PM phoning and abandoned the revolt." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55477424 |
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Post by oldgas on Dec 30, 2020 23:11:03 GMT
I don’t agree with your first paragraph. The Remain side had the full weight of the government machine behind it. I dug out that pamphlet extolling the virtues of the EU that Cameron spend what, £9 million quid on. Leave couldn’t afford to do that. I re-read it and it was a pack of lies. Leave were up against the govt, Liebour and the Limp Dems, to say nothing of wee Jimmy Krankie. Nigel F. May have said he would have carried on, but I think I said I would have accepted Remain and carried on with my life, I would have accepted the democratic vote. Of course certain papers were pro Leave, just as the usual suspects were pro Remain. As for the BBC or their people being in Boris’ pocket, that’s got to be the best yet. Please name them and explain how they assisted Leave. From my certain recollection the BBC was massively in favour of Remain and then a second referendum, from those smug Islingtonites on HIGNFY to the fixed panels and audiences on QT. Afor that traitor May, that’s exactly what she was and her deal was a surrender and she hid behind the sofa during the referendum campaign and had to be ordered out to campaign by Cameron. Having got the top job she completely embarrassed herself with her craven attempts at negotiations and the EU side walked all over her. Totally useless. The hopeless deal she came back with should have filled your Remainer hearts with joy, but you had all got so arrogant and cocky that you thought you could overturn the ref result and stay in the EU. Thank God you did what you did, for without your assistance we would have never got Boris as PM and everything that followed. In the words of the song....”Who’s sorry now? Who’s sorry now? We’re out out of the EU so who’s sorry now? Government backed, but that wasn't what I said, I said Leave lied too. As for the BBC, if you ever read Laura Kuenssberg's Twitter account (and Robert Peston for ITV) there are plenty accusing her and I do recall her using Boris' words on The Daily Politics. Not saying it's true or that I believe it but the accusations are there. Boris was going to be PM regardless, just a matter of time. Come on Stuart, Laura K and Peston are typical left-leaning journos. Why pretend they would consciously help the Tories? I said earlier that you must have been frightened at the prospect of Corbyn winning the election. You haven’t answered, I would be interested to hear your views. |
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Post by oldgas on Dec 30, 2020 23:13:25 GMT
On a lighter note, Rory Bremner helped John Major. "Impressionist Rory Bremner "saved John Major's bacon" when he inadvertently thwarted a Tory revolt against him, newly released files show. Documents from the National Archives tell how Bremner impersonated the then-PM when he phoned Eurosceptic Tory MPs in 1993, asking for their support. They had planned to challenge Sir John's leadership at the time of the Conservative conference in Blackpool. But the lead rebel thought it was the PM phoning and abandoned the revolt." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55477424I read that with interest. I was quite surprised at the rebel response though. If they were really out to get Major then surely a panicky phone call would have emboldened them and convinced them to go for the kill? I really don’t understand their reasoning. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 23:14:34 GMT
On a lighter note, Rory Bremner helped John Major. "Impressionist Rory Bremner "saved John Major's bacon" when he inadvertently thwarted a Tory revolt against him, newly released files show. Documents from the National Archives tell how Bremner impersonated the then-PM when he phoned Eurosceptic Tory MPs in 1993, asking for their support. They had planned to challenge Sir John's leadership at the time of the Conservative conference in Blackpool. But the lead rebel thought it was the PM phoning and abandoned the revolt." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55477424I read that with interest. I was quite surprised at the rebel response though. If they were really out to get Major then surely a panicky phone call would have emboldened them and convinced them to go for the kill? I really don’t understand their reasoning. Nor much else it appears |
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Post by oldgas on Dec 30, 2020 23:14:55 GMT
😂😂 Yeah I know. Just counting the accusations. Marxist Traitor Sham/Fraud Leader of International Conglomerates You got to laugh I’ve been working on the counter narrative. So far I’ve got ; Twat Racist Deluded Dreamer Misinformed ...... it’s a work in process Ps I’d be more than happy to meet oldgas face to face when we get back to the Mem for a chat , surely he’s gotta have some redeeming qualities? Really? I thought you said I am a racist * nugget who you had n9 interest in talking to. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 30, 2020 23:35:22 GMT
Government backed, but that wasn't what I said, I said Leave lied too. As for the BBC, if you ever read Laura Kuenssberg's Twitter account (and Robert Peston for ITV) there are plenty accusing her and I do recall her using Boris' words on The Daily Politics. Not saying it's true or that I believe it but the accusations are there. Boris was going to be PM regardless, just a matter of time. Come on Stuart, Laura K and Peston are typical left-leaning journos. Why pretend they would consciously help the Tories? I said earlier that you must have been frightened at the prospect of Corbyn winning the election. You haven’t answered, I would be interested to hear your views. Well if they are being accused of being leftist by the right and in the government's pocket by the left, maybe they are doing their job. As for Corbyn, don't recall you asking me before but here goes - Corbyn would never have won outright and would need at least the Lib Dems and SNP to form a coalition. Such a coalition would have gone within 12 months and we'd then go back to another GE where Corbyn would have lost. It was a Hobson's Choice election in 2019. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 23:38:16 GMT
Come on Stuart, Laura K and Peston are typical left-leaning journos. Why pretend they would consciously help the Tories? I said earlier that you must have been frightened at the prospect of Corbyn winning the election. You haven’t answered, I would be interested to hear your views. Well if they are being accused of being leftist by the right and in the government's pocket by the left, maybe they are doing their job. As for Corbyn, don't recall you asking me before but here goes - Corbyn would never have won outright and would need at least the Lib Dems and SNP to form a coalition. Such a coalition would have gone within 12 months and we'd then go back to another GE where Corbyn would have lost. It was a Hobson's Choice election in 2019. But Johnson would have been gone in that scenario. Two birds with one stone |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 30, 2020 23:41:12 GMT
Well if they are being accused of being leftist by the right and in the government's pocket by the left, maybe they are doing their job. As for Corbyn, don't recall you asking me before but here goes - Corbyn would never have won outright and would need at least the Lib Dems and SNP to form a coalition. Such a coalition would have gone within 12 months and we'd then go back to another GE where Corbyn would have lost. It was a Hobson's Choice election in 2019. But Johnson would have been gone in that scenario. Two birds with one stone Indeed, one of the unknowns but I do wonder how much The Brexit Party standing down in Conservative seats made a difference. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 23:47:42 GMT
But Johnson would have been gone in that scenario. Two birds with one stone Indeed, one of the unknowns but I do wonder how much The Brexit Party standing down in Conservative seats made a difference. A lot I suspect. |
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Post by oldgas on Dec 31, 2020 10:49:39 GMT
I read that with interest. I was quite surprised at the rebel response though. If they were really out to get Major then surely a panicky phone call would have emboldened them and convinced them to go for the kill? I really don’t understand their reasoning. Nor much else it appears Beneath contempt. |
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Post by oldgas on Dec 31, 2020 11:01:38 GMT
Come on Stuart, Laura K and Peston are typical left-leaning journos. Why pretend they would consciously help the Tories? I said earlier that you must have been frightened at the prospect of Corbyn winning the election. You haven’t answered, I would be interested to hear your views. Well if they are being accused of being leftist by the right and in the government's pocket by the left, maybe they are doing their job. As for Corbyn, don't recall you asking me before but here goes - Corbyn would never have won outright and would need at least the Lib Dems and SNP to form a coalition. Such a coalition would have gone within 12 months and we'd then go back to another GE where Corbyn would have lost. It was a Hobson's Choice election in 2019. I will put my Robin Day head on and say “Will you answer the question”?! The Q being “You must have been frightened at the prospect of Corbyn winning the election” Please just give an answer, you have imagined he would only have had a coalition. I am asking if you would have been frightened to death at Corbyn having a majority government. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 31, 2020 11:18:12 GMT
Well if they are being accused of being leftist by the right and in the government's pocket by the left, maybe they are doing their job. As for Corbyn, don't recall you asking me before but here goes - Corbyn would never have won outright and would need at least the Lib Dems and SNP to form a coalition. Such a coalition would have gone within 12 months and we'd then go back to another GE where Corbyn would have lost. It was a Hobson's Choice election in 2019. I will put my Robin Day head on and say “Will you answer the question”?! The Q being “You must have been frightened at the prospect of Corbyn winning the election” Please just give an answer, you have imagined he would only have had a coalition. I am asking if you would have been frightened to death at Corbyn having a majority government. Frightened to death? No. Would I have concerns, yes. |
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