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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2021 18:34:39 GMT
So if TW does all that...databases, complex scout networks etc etc and the majority of fans are unhappy with the recruitment. What has gone wrong? Have we recruited well or badly? I think it’s been no worse than it’s usually been. We’ve made some good signings during his tenure Jaakkola, JCH, Hanlan, Nicholson etc and some bad ones Harries, Little, Liddle, Adeboyejo etc. I think the problem this time was Garners specification for the types of players he wanted, the massive unbalance in the squad and the way they’ve been coached. There was none of those issues during Coughlan’s tenure. If he can’t update his database to meet Wael’s vision of youth playing sexy football then we need to start looking for someone who can.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2021 18:37:37 GMT
I’m struggling here. It wasn’t so long ago that the forum was waxing lyrical about what a transfer window we had. People have wanted Joe Day here for years and he showed enough for a champ team to take him. Signed gills captain and watched Steve Evans have a meltdown Got Oz from Charlton McCormick has impressed Snared Nicholson despite interest from his beloved hearts Got Westbrooke who played a significant part in Cov’s promotion Grant is a developing prospect in his first full season in Centre Mid Hanlan is a developing prospect in his first full season as a 9. Tutonda has shown enough to have been worthy of a free. Harries - jury very much out fair enough - may have been desperation trying to find a left footed CB. I don’t think he’s as bad as what some people say, but he’s got an awful lot to learn. It’s not like we’ve signed journeyman here for a pay cheque. If you look at the above, and add in what we had in the building, that’s not a team who should be struggling for relegation. Once the players are recruited then it’s no longer up to TW to bring the best out of them. Of course we need a striker, but how do we know what goes on and who we have been in for. People have freedom of speech but people also need to have perspective, and get behind the club and not attack people who seem to want to be taking the club forward. . Edit: sorry forgot JD - quality little player Hmm...left out Liddle, Barrett, Koiki, Ayunga...even little Timmy Abraham seeing as we had been tracking him before Garner turned up. When you add those in and evaluate them as a group it’s a proper motley crew, some good, most not really showing/justifying why they were offered to the manager in the first place. Of course every team makes duff signings, but the ratio of duff to quality undoubtedly has a bearing on where you end up in the table and our results speak for themselves right now as to the real quality of the windows that we have had furnishing Garner with players.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 1, 2021 18:50:59 GMT
To be fair, a lot of people were saying exactly this sort of stuff about TW this time two years ago before (and after) we signed JCH.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2021 19:18:47 GMT
To be fair, a lot of people were saying exactly this sort of stuff about TW this time two years ago before (and after) we signed JCH. Fair point...but who looks like our next million pound sale? I would argue we don’t have one, you’d be lucky to be offered a fiver for some of them! Nicholson and Daly have potential but they are waaay off realising it. Daly seems to get injured at the drop of a hat too which isn’t helping.
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 1, 2021 20:14:27 GMT
Nicholson will be that man. He is a class above anything else we have and a class above League 1. If he can avoid injury this season then I will be very surprised if he is here next year amd will feel let down if he does not go for at least 2m.He is a different class to Ellis Harrison.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 1, 2021 20:20:42 GMT
Nicholson will be that man. He is a class above anything else we have and a class above League 1. If he can avoid injury this season then I will be very surprised if he is here next year amd will feel let down if he does not go for at least 2m.He is a different class to Ellis Harrison. Isn't Nicholson just doing the same he's always done at Hearts and in the states, nobody's paid £2m for him previously, you need to be scoring 20+ goals to get that type of money, not 10 or so and have a couple of spells out injured. Regardless he's probably got a release clause should we get relegated!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2021 20:34:14 GMT
Nicholson will be that man. He is a class above anything else we have and a class above League 1. If he can avoid injury this season then I will be very surprised if he is here next year amd will feel let down if he does not go for at least 2m.He is a different class to Ellis Harrison. Is he in the same class as Bodin? He doesn’t seem like he could score enough goals for that. He had that horrendous miss at Wigan after doing all the hard work, hit the bar at the weekend etc
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2021 20:39:05 GMT
Nicholson will be that man. He is a class above anything else we have and a class above League 1. If he can avoid injury this season then I will be very surprised if he is here next year amd will feel let down if he does not go for at least 2m.He is a different class to Ellis Harrison. Isn't Nicholson just doing the same he's always done at Hearts and in the states, nobody's paid £2m for him previously, you need to be scoring 20+ goals to get that type of money, not 10 or so and have a couple of spells out injured. Regardless he's probably got a release clause should we get relegated! Exactly, how often do league one players who aren’t goalscorers fetch 2million+? Maybe he’ll do a JCH and start banging them in from everywhere but on current and past form what we are seeing now is a normal season. He’ll be bucking the trend significantly if he can get close to 10 league goals by the end of the season.
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 1, 2021 21:20:52 GMT
I’m struggling here. It wasn’t so long ago that the forum was waxing lyrical about what a transfer window we had. People have wanted Joe Day here for years and he showed enough for a champ team to take him. Signed gills captain and watched Steve Evans have a meltdown Got Oz from Charlton McCormick has impressed Snared Nicholson despite interest from his beloved hearts Got Westbrooke who played a significant part in Cov’s promotion Grant is a developing prospect in his first full season in Centre Mid Hanlan is a developing prospect in his first full season as a 9. Tutonda has shown enough to have been worthy of a free. Harries - jury very much out fair enough - may have been desperation trying to find a left footed CB. I don’t think he’s as bad as what some people say, but he’s got an awful lot to learn. It’s not like we’ve signed journeyman here for a pay cheque. If you look at the above, and add in what we had in the building, that’s not a team who should be struggling for relegation. Once the players are recruited then it’s no longer up to TW to bring the best out of them. Of course we need a striker, but how do we know what goes on and who we have been in for. People have freedom of speech but people also need to have perspective, and get behind the club and not attack people who seem to want to be taking the club forward. . Edit: sorry forgot JD - quality little player Here lies the problem. I was very excited about Garner and this project. At last, no more lumping it long. Proper footballers. I backed it all the way to his sacking. I WANTED it to work. What I’ve learned, is that the problem was changing a team entirely on day 1 last season. Then ridding ourselves of all of our squad near enough, and building a new one. Mainly of kids. A lot of this team had no real league experience, and they have been thrown in at the deep end, together. What it’s taught me is to borrow a phrase from Alan Partridge, it should be evolution, not revolution, or is it the other way around? They are better individual footballers than the last squad, no question. Issues are they are all similar, as an example, we have only ball playing centre halfs. They are young kids with no experience together. No confidence. We needed a few wins to build that and it hasn’t happened. Come on lads, please, prove me wrong. What’s so utterly frustrating is they are not a bad side. When they get a bit of rhythm they are excellent. They are just hopelessly naïve and disorganised. The last game was the epitome of that. We played them off the park most the game and lost to two horribly soft goals, and choked every opportunity we got. It’s really demoralising. If we were getting panned off the pitch then fair enough. Coughlans teams were like that, yet we won games.
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Post by bigal40 on Feb 1, 2021 21:32:22 GMT
So if TW does all that...databases, complex scout networks etc etc and the majority of fans are unhappy with the recruitment. What has gone wrong? Have we recruited well or badly? I think it’s been no worse than it’s usually been. We’ve made some good signings during his tenure Jaakkola, JCH, Hanlan, Nicholson etc and some bad ones Harries, Little, Liddle, Adeboyejo etc. I think the problem this time was Garners specification for the types of players he wanted, the massive unbalance in the squad and the way they’ve been coached. There was none of those issues during Coughlan’s tenure. Agree on the poorer signings other than Harries who I think will be ok longer term and Liddle. Other than the Darlington Cup game where he did very well, looked composed and never really gave ball away and looked mobile and athletic has anyone seen Liddle play. I can't understand how people are saying he is poor?
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Post by axegas on Feb 1, 2021 21:37:31 GMT
I think it’s been no worse than it’s usually been. We’ve made some good signings during his tenure Jaakkola, JCH, Hanlan, Nicholson etc and some bad ones Harries, Little, Liddle, Adeboyejo etc. I think the problem this time was Garners specification for the types of players he wanted, the massive unbalance in the squad and the way they’ve been coached. There was none of those issues during Coughlan’s tenure. Agree on the poorer signings other than Harries who I think will be ok longer term and Liddle. Other than the Darlington Cup game where he did very well, looked composed and never really gave ball away and looked mobile and athletic has anyone seen Liddle play. I can't understand how people are saying he is poor? I included him as a “poor” signing due to him having little impact and being almost surplus to requirements now Ogogo has been recalled. He did look decent against Darlington, you are right.
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Post by bigal40 on Feb 1, 2021 21:42:25 GMT
Agree on the poorer signings other than Harries who I think will be ok longer term and Liddle. Other than the Darlington Cup game where he did very well, looked composed and never really gave ball away and looked mobile and athletic has anyone seen Liddle play. I can't understand how people are saying he is poor? I included him as a “poor” signing due to him having little impact and being almost surplus to requirements now Ogogo has been recalled. He did look decent against Darlington, you are right. It was certainly a strange signing. Not really needed but still looks an upgrade on some of the others in there. Tisdale quite complimentary about him also after Darlington then never been seen since?
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Post by alanrg on Feb 1, 2021 23:54:10 GMT
Time 2 go Widdrington a shambles of a January transfer window hang your head in shame
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 2, 2021 6:39:13 GMT
Now he has run out of coventry players to sign the guy obviously doesn't want to earn his wage on actually doing some work
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Feb 2, 2021 7:02:23 GMT
Nicholson will be that man. He is a class above anything else we have and a class above League 1. If he can avoid injury this season then I will be very surprised if he is here next year amd will feel let down if he does not go for at least 2m.He is a different class to Ellis Harrison. Is he in the same class as Bodin? He doesn’t seem like he could score enough goals for that. He had that horrendous miss at Wigan after doing all the hard work, hit the bar at the weekend etc He hit the bar from outside the box, hardly a glaring opportunity.
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 2, 2021 7:03:41 GMT
We’ve signed a full back and a goal keeper in the window? While other teams around us have signed attacking players?
How can we not have had a sniff of a new striker / forward / winger in two abs a half windows now?
Signing Hanlan and Ayunga was a step in the right direction in August after signing Daly in Jan.
It needed one more experienced forward and the puzzle would be well on its way to be complete.
Having failed to sign that player in two consecutive windows is worrying. Especially when we spent the equivalent salary on a GK and a RB
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 2, 2021 7:42:37 GMT
So you'd have signed a striker and continued to play JVS and Ehmer, if we had then the striker would have to score 2 or 3 goals a game to make up for the goals those two would concede. You can see the issues faced by PT thanks to BG's summer recruitments.
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Post by RD on Feb 2, 2021 7:45:56 GMT
Widdrington needs to face the cameras today. We need an explanation.
3 windows ahead? BS.
Coventry not interested in letting anyone go presumably?
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Post by Quarters on Feb 2, 2021 7:56:01 GMT
Which striker should we have signed that would have avoided criticism? I'm mean that would have been realistic.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 2, 2021 8:00:00 GMT
That's easy "we tried hard but couldn't get a deal done to stay within the salary cap".
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