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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 8:03:37 GMT
Mate without being disrespectful, what is the point of a comment like that? Adds absolutely nothing and doesn’t make you look smart or funny. I’ve asked what your expectations of a football owner is - not whether you like what our current or previous owners have / haven’t done. Nor have I asked if you agree with my view or not - your entitled to your own view. I’m just interested in what makes people think the way they do and in my opinion that is driven by what your expectations are of what a football club owner should do irrespective of the club they own. Now if you can’t answer that then fair enough but don’t derail a thread because you can’t or don’t want to. Read and move on..... The board came in with setting expectations saying Rovers need a new stadium and then looked at a training facility. My expectation of the current lot is very low as they show no intention of building either. The UWE deal wasn't right, fair enough, over a year on we are yet to see anything from the board. The Training ground, they own the ground, so what are they waiting for? I expect they have no money to invest in Bristol Rovers training ground or like the UWE wanted a cheaper deal, a £10M build for £2M. I am not content with continuing to watch Rovers play in front of a handful of tents. I am not content with us selling our best players every window. I think there is too much hiding from the truth and a fear to admit they cant meet fans ambitions and it is playing staff. There is little respect being shown to us as fans right now, we have a board that don't speak to us and when they do it carries next to no weight. For football club that supposedly has a lot going on, there is nothing to show from it. TG even if he did put the sausage roll prices up, he appears to be the only one with presence and making things happen. My interest and wanting to spend money on season tickets and going away is beginning to tire, on Saturday i could pursue other interests. After 20 years i wouldn't feel too guilty either. I would expect a mission statement of sorts, what they want to achieve and have it communicated with the fans. But honest communication not bits and pieces, vague mixed messages. I would then at the end of the season like a report, what they did and what they couldnt but how they could put that right, thank the fans for their continued support. All they’ve done is taken us to a new low.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 8:04:00 GMT
Thank you 365 and I can see why you have the views about our current owners that you do. I’m guessing if you saw them gifting money in the short term but converting that gift to shares whereby the risk is allocated to share performance then your view may be slightly different? Yeah that would be one way of showing some good faith. I just don't see what forces an owner to care about the club if they can easily retrieve their loss. If you knew that you could sell an asset, get the basic market rate for it and then walk away having lost nothing would you care about the fate of that business? Would you be determined to make it a success or would the easy out make you ambivalent? I can only speak for myself and I know what would motivate me to make a business a success! People may say "you can't expect a family the Al Qadi's to put in 10 million unsecured" - good, because that would force half-assed owners like these out of the game. Football is pay to play and if you haven't got deep pockets go and invest in penny stocks and get your kicks that way. Thank you and I can see where you are coming from. Basically you want owners who are prepared to invest or donate without an expectation of anything in return or any security- at least in the short term as potentially if they continue to do that and for whatever reason the club isn’t successful or it doesn’t increase in value then they could run out of money and be in a situation where they have to walk away having lost their wealth. So whatever they donate / invest will need to be within their personal boundaries of affordability.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 8:07:00 GMT
Imo they bought the club and now regret it because they couldn’t have the uwe development too themselves,so now a tart up operation has begun until they can find a way out that suits their pockets. Ground wise we are going backwards. Communication backwards Playing budget backwards Training ground that’s a laugh. Improving the Matchday experience,the style of football we play gone backwards the most important thing imo. Most places you stand in the ground you get wet and if que for food you get wet if raining. Thatchers bar very good Butcombe bar good Overall we ain’t going nowhere but backwards until a full revamp or new stadium we can all sit in and sing good night Irene. Tents are not for us.... So summarising you hold a similar view to 365 in that you expect owners to donate or invest entirely at their own personal risk and not expect to get back what they put in - at least in the short term?
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Post by althepirate on Sept 26, 2018 8:12:43 GMT
My worry is why aren't they developing the training ground? But what’s driving that worry? If it was any other owner at any other club would you still worry or think there was something untoward going on? I would still worry. Henbury says it's to do with planning issues, I hope he's right. Otherwise it's not a massive project and if it was expected to be a long term planning issue why wasn't that explained to us when they purchased the land?:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 8:13:48 GMT
How about watching the game on ifollow from the comfort of your living room, sounds a lot more appealing after your comments After watching the last two away games, Shrewsbury and Luton, that was even less appealing than watching at the Mem! The big issue is everything is linked to a new stadium, communication, the playing budget and, hopefully, performances, fans moral, etc, etc, would then all improve if we got one, without it we'll slowly go backwards. So if our owners were more transparent on what is happening re the Stadium - without breaking confidentiality - and said something like full proper redevelopment is on hold as we have potentially earmarked a site for new stadium but now need to go through due process to check feasibility etc and if it is feasible and all goes to plan then we anticipate being in a brand new stadium in 4 years time and until that time we will make bare minimum cosmetic improvements to the mem that will be at minimal expenditure to avoid throwaway spend, then that would give you some comfort? I.e communicate the Vision and plan?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 8:18:52 GMT
Mate without being disrespectful, what is the point of a comment like that? Adds absolutely nothing and doesn’t make you look smart or funny. I’ve asked what your expectations of a football owner is - not whether you like what our current or previous owners have / haven’t done. Nor have I asked if you agree with my view or not - your entitled to your own view. I’m just interested in what makes people think the way they do and in my opinion that is driven by what your expectations are of what a football club owner should do irrespective of the club they own. Now if you can’t answer that then fair enough but don’t derail a thread because you can’t or don’t want to. Read and move on..... The board came in with setting expectations saying Rovers need a new stadium and then looked at a training facility. My expectation of the current lot is very low as they show no intention of building either. The UWE deal wasn't right, fair enough, over a year on we are yet to see anything from the board. The Training ground, they own the ground, so what are they waiting for? I expect they have no money to invest in Bristol Rovers training ground or like the UWE wanted a cheaper deal, a £10M build for £2M. I am not content with continuing to watch Rovers play in front of a handful of tents. I am not content with us selling our best players every window. I think there is too much hiding from the truth and a fear to admit they cant meet fans ambitions and it is playing staff. There is little respect being shown to us as fans right now, we have a board that don't speak to us and when they do it carries next to no weight. For football club that supposedly has a lot going on, there is nothing to show from it. TG even if he did put the sausage roll prices up, he appears to be the only one with presence and making things happen. My interest and wanting to spend money on season tickets and going away is beginning to tire, on Saturday i could pursue other interests. After 20 years i wouldn't feel too guilty either. I would expect a mission statement of sorts, what they want to achieve and have it communicated with the fans. But honest communication not bits and pieces, vague mixed messages. I would then at the end of the season like a report, what they did and what they couldnt but how they could put that right, thank the fans for their continued support. Thank you and I can understand your view and I agree that at least telling us the vision and high level plan on how the intend to achieve that vision would bring us fans on the journey with them and at least allow us to understand why certain decisions are being taken
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Post by farmygas on Sept 26, 2018 8:29:47 GMT
Back in May I was having a debate with a friend who's quite pro-owners, we eventually agreed that it would be reasonable to expect: - An announcement that the planning application has been submitted for The Colony by 1st of Jan 2019 (one year from this).
- A tangible plan for the redevelopment of the Mem or a new site identified, with design mock-ups, by 18th November 2019 (18 months from that day).
That seemed like an easy ask to me at the time.
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Post by blueridge on Sept 26, 2018 8:53:11 GMT
I'll be slightly hypothetical here. IF and its a big IF, the ALQ's agree to sell in the next few months (say February 2019} and they disappear with say £12m in their 'back pocket, what will be their tangible legacy after three years in charge of our club? Apart from being devisive, I'm struggling to see anything frankly - not even a vision of where they wanted or hoped to take us.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 8:56:40 GMT
This thread made me smile. Keep it up Bluestick (whoever you are) Applying cool rational is very rare on football forums.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 9:00:01 GMT
Imo they bought the club and now regret it because they couldn’t have the uwe development too themselves,so now a tart up operation has begun until they can find a way out that suits their pockets. Ground wise we are going backwards. Communication backwards Playing budget backwards Training ground that’s a laugh. Improving the Matchday experience,the style of football we play gone backwards the most important thing imo. Most places you stand in the ground you get wet and if que for food you get wet if raining. Thatchers bar very good Butcombe bar good Overall we ain’t going nowhere but backwards until a full revamp or new stadium we can all sit in and sing good night Irene. Tents are not for us.... So summarising you hold a similar view to 365 in that you expect owners to donate or invest entirely at their own personal risk and not expect to get back what they put in - at least in the short term? Yes how many owners of football clubs make a profit? How many a lost?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 9:02:01 GMT
Back in May I was having a debate with a friend who's quite pro-owners, we eventually agreed that it would be reasonable to expect: - An announcement that the planning application has been submitted for The Colony by 1st of Jan 2019 (one year from this).
- A tangible plan for the redevelopment of the Mem or a new site identified, with design mock-ups, by 18th November 2019 (18 months from that day).
That seemed like an easy ask to me at the time. I can’t argue with that and if it can’t be achieved, at least tell us why (within reason)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 9:05:51 GMT
So summarising you hold a similar view to 365 in that you expect owners to donate or invest entirely at their own personal risk and not expect to get back what they put in - at least in the short term? Yes how many owners of football clubs make a profit? How many a lost? Don’t disagree - just means you need very wealthy owners who can afford to ‘throw money away’ or throw good money after bad if they are not expected to get it back at all. Concept of donating/gifting for free much like Lansdown has done (albeit they now have a level of success to show for it - but it has personally cost him c£100m plus over the last few years)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 9:07:07 GMT
Back in May I was having a debate with a friend who's quite pro-owners, we eventually agreed that it would be reasonable to expect: - An announcement that the planning application has been submitted for The Colony by 1st of Jan 2019 (one year from this).
- A tangible plan for the redevelopment of the Mem or a new site identified, with design mock-ups, by 18th November 2019 (18 months from that day).
That seemed like an easy ask to me at the time. At the last AGM (March?) it was announced that a Planning Application for the Colony was expected to be submitted "within six to eight weeks". Tick tock tick tock..........
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Post by farmygas on Sept 26, 2018 9:12:17 GMT
Back in May I was having a debate with a friend who's quite pro-owners, we eventually agreed that it would be reasonable to expect: - An announcement that the planning application has been submitted for The Colony by 1st of Jan 2019 (one year from this).
- A tangible plan for the redevelopment of the Mem or a new site identified, with design mock-ups, by 18th November 2019 (18 months from that day).
That seemed like an easy ask to me at the time. At the last AGM (March?) it was announced that a Planning Application for the Colony was expected to be submitted "within six to eight weeks". Tick tock tick tock.......... Jesus.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 9:12:33 GMT
I'll be slightly hypothetical here. IF and its a big IF, the ALQ's agree to sell in the next few months (say February 2019} and they disappear with say £12m in their 'back pocket, what will be their tangible legacy after three years in charge of our club? Apart from being devisive, I'm struggling to see anything frankly - not even a vision of where they wanted or hoped to take us. Other than facilitating improvements to the bars, a development squad, a better infrastructure playing wise (in theory) due to more coaches, better medical staff/equipment and player recruitment capabilities,security (within reason) of a decent manager, a bit of cosmetic upgrades and more tents!😉 then there isn’t much .... I guess for many, this stuff is ‘small fry’ and the 2 key things to demonstrate success is a proper stadium (new or developed) and our own actual training ground, not just the land as that is more identifiable and tangible assets
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Post by farmygas on Sept 26, 2018 9:18:40 GMT
Yes how many owners of football clubs make a profit? How many a lost? Don’t disagree - just means you need very wealthy owners who can afford to ‘throw money away’ or throw good money after bad if they are not expected to get it back at all. Do Crawley Town, Accrington Stanley, Morecambe, Doncaster Rovers, Fleetwood Town, Burton Albion et al stand to make money? All of these have significantly redeveloped their grounds on tiny crowds while we've spent the last two decades erecting and dismantling tents.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 9:20:13 GMT
Yes how many owners of football clubs make a profit? How many a lost? Don’t disagree - just means you need very wealthy owners who can afford to ‘throw money away’ or throw good money after bad if they are not expected to get it back at all. Concept of donating/gifting for free much like Lansdown has done (albeit they now have a level of success to show for it - but it has personally cost him c£100m plus over the last few years) That’s what makes me think they thought they were onto a good thing and could get the uwe and make it theirs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 9:22:04 GMT
Don’t disagree - just means you need very wealthy owners who can afford to ‘throw money away’ or throw good money after bad if they are not expected to get it back at all. Do Crawley Town, Accrington Stanley, Morecambe, Doncaster Rovers, Fleetwood Town, Burton Albion et al stand to make money? All of these have significantly redeveloped their grounds on tiny crowds while we've spent the last two decades erecting and dismantling tents. No but they have owners that have gifted money or councils that have gifted land etc for no return. They also play the rules by owners (Fleetwood) using the stadium as offices for the other work / businesses
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Post by farmygas on Sept 26, 2018 9:30:21 GMT
Do Crawley Town, Accrington Stanley, Morecambe, Doncaster Rovers, Fleetwood Town, Burton Albion et al stand to make money? All of these have significantly redeveloped their grounds on tiny crowds while we've spent the last two decades erecting and dismantling tents. No but they have owners that have gifted money or councils that have gifted land etc for no return. They also play the rules by owners (Fleetwood) using the stadium as offices for the other work / businesses So my question is why can't we go down these avenues? We have by far the worst ground in the Football League and it's getting worse by the year. I don't know how many people know this but I had a convo with Wael at Shrewsbury back in 2017 and at that time he said we were facing an FA imposed capacity restriction on the North Terrace due to it being unsafe. I'm genuinely amazed that new tent has passed any kind of H&S check tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 9:38:11 GMT
Back in May I was having a debate with a friend who's quite pro-owners, we eventually agreed that it would be reasonable to expect: - An announcement that the planning application has been submitted for The Colony by 1st of Jan 2019 (one year from this).
- A tangible plan for the redevelopment of the Mem or a new site identified, with design mock-ups, by 18th November 2019 (18 months from that day).
That seemed like an easy ask to me at the time. At the last AGM (March?) it was announced that a Planning Application for the Colony was expected to be submitted "within six to eight weeks". Tick tock tick tock.......... And this is why people don't believe any of this confidentiality crap because they have previous form for telling us stuff like this which was patently just fluff to shut people up and make their questions go away. They have obviously at least realised that it won't wash now and just tell us nothing at all. Their silence is still deafening though.
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