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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 12:25:16 GMT
Interesting admission last night from Tweedledum
Hundreds of miles away, in a BBC television studio, George Osborne admits to mistakes made during his time in government. The former chancellor regrets that he and David Cameron did not make a better case for British membership of the European Union. Maybe this unprecedented ripple of humility is the substance detected by researchers at Cern. Perhaps the hypersensitive instruments of the Large Hadron Collider registered the blip of Osborne’s conscience.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 12:28:49 GMT
I believe we have to be aware that all our current laws are subject to jurisdiction from the final court of appeal in Europe and as such any decision made by the court of appeal in Europe is framed into our existing case law,as such laws made in this country are reinterpreted in Europe in a court that is out of context with the culture and socio/economics of the UK and I believe that to be wrong I think you are making it up. Other than the common rule book and jurisdiction we have agreed, to cover trade disputes under the umbrella of our membership of the single market, the only court of appeal is the ECHR, which we were original signatories to in 1951, which OUR Parliament granted UK citizens to appeal to in 1964, and was subsequently embedded into UK law in 2004. This covers a very narrow group of four freedoms of the individual. Our legal constitution is defined here uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/5-636-2498?transitionType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)&firstPage=true&comp=pluk&bhcp=1Scroll down to clause 7 which defines the role of the ECHR. So are you seriously trying to tell me that an Act of Parliament, with subsequent legislation that our judiciary are obliged to judge upon, is subject to some nebulous higher court somewhere within the EU? Really? Where is this court? Trevorgas??? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 13:11:45 GMT
I think you're getting the ECHR mixed with with the ECJ (European Court of Justice).
"The European Court of Justice (ECJ), officially just the Court of Justice (French: Cour de Justice), is the supreme court of the European Union in matters of European Union law. As a part of the Court of Justice of the European Union it is tasked with interpreting EU law and ensuring its equal application across all EU member states".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 14:40:54 GMT
I think you're getting the ECHR mixed with with the ECJ (European Court of Justice). "The European Court of Justice (ECJ), officially just the Court of Justice (French: Cour de Justice), is the supreme court of the European Union in matters of European Union law. As a part of the Court of Justice of the European Union it is tasked with interpreting EU law and ensuring its equal application across all EU member states". Yes I get that. But, it's this, and covered by my point about common rule book etc Quote So what does the ECJ do? It decides whether the institutions of the EU are acting legally, and it settles disputes between them. It ensures that the member states of the EU are complying with their legal obligations as set out in the EU treaties; and it allows member states to challenge EU legislation. It interprets EU law at the request of national courts. Taken all together, this means that the ECJ interprets and enforces the rules of the single market, and pretty much everything else that the EU does. In the past it has sided with the UK on trade disputes. We have to have this body to adjudicate disputes under our Treaty obligations. But the inference that every thing our Sovereign Parliament passes is subject to EU oversight, as inferred by Trevorgas, is just not true. |
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Post by trevorgas on Oct 31, 2018 14:57:01 GMT
I think you're getting the ECHR mixed with with the ECJ (European Court of Justice). "The European Court of Justice (ECJ), officially just the Court of Justice (French: Cour de Justice), is the supreme court of the European Union in matters of European Union law. As a part of the Court of Justice of the European Union it is tasked with interpreting EU law and ensuring its equal application across all EU member states". Yes I get that. But, it's this, and covered by my point about common rule book etc Quote So what does the ECJ do? It decides whether the institutions of the EU are acting legally, and it settles disputes between them. It ensures that the member states of the EU are complying with their legal obligations as set out in the EU treaties; and it allows member states to challenge EU legislation. It interprets EU law at the request of national courts. Taken all together, this means that the ECJ interprets and enforces the rules of the single market, and pretty much everything else that the EU does. In the past it has sided with the UK on trade disputes. We have to have this body to adjudicate disputes under our Treaty obligations. But the inference that every thing our Sovereign Parliament passes is subject to EU oversight, as inferred by Trevorgas, is just not true. Apologies currently in Italy so WiFi a bit poor,I agree with you Oldie re your comments and I should have been more specific,too much vino last night!! Interestingly when I talk to my Italian friends they would love to leave the EU but as theiron Banking system is bankruptcy and the economy on its knees they feel they have no choice,they see the EU as a carve up between France and Germany and that their Sovereign independence has been subsumed by the EU. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 15:06:40 GMT
Yes I get that. But, it's this, and covered by my point about common rule book etc Quote So what does the ECJ do? It decides whether the institutions of the EU are acting legally, and it settles disputes between them. It ensures that the member states of the EU are complying with their legal obligations as set out in the EU treaties; and it allows member states to challenge EU legislation. It interprets EU law at the request of national courts. Taken all together, this means that the ECJ interprets and enforces the rules of the single market, and pretty much everything else that the EU does. In the past it has sided with the UK on trade disputes. We have to have this body to adjudicate disputes under our Treaty obligations. But the inference that every thing our Sovereign Parliament passes is subject to EU oversight, as inferred by Trevorgas, is just not true. Apologies currently in Italy so WiFi a bit poor,I agree with you Oldie re your comments and I should have been more specific,too much vino last night!! Interestingly when I talk to my Italian friends they would love to leave the EU but as theiron Banking system is bankruptcy and the economy on its knees they feel they have no choice,they see the EU as a carve up between France and Germany and that their Sovereign independence has been subsumed by the EU. Italian wine is excellent, and excellent reason. Enjoy. |
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