Today's Budget

Or, they just haven't got the faintest idea what they're doing.

You sure? I thought it was all going rather well and before long we'll have great trade agreements in place, stopped the foreigners coming in and we'll be a World leader in all we used to be? No?

Bugger. Lied to again.

I didn't think the budget was that bad. Of course, the details will begin to emerge over the coming days, as it always does.
In fact, when Corbyn got up to oppose the budget, he didn't really have anything to moan about. His biggest complaint was some women born in the 1950's and their pension entitlements.

Ha ha ha.😜

In itself it was much ado about nothing. I thought it did provide a window into what the Government are thinking. To abandon now the objective set by Osborne to stop bleeding cash and aim to start paying down debt was the biggest surprise to me. All that pain since 2010 only to end up with double the debt in cash terms and pretty much an 80% increase in the the ratio of debt to GDP is a massive admission of abject failure. Now they plan to carry on accumulating debt of between £20 to £30billion of debt per annum.

Mind you, some of us said this would happen back in the day. A disastrous strategy that has left us massively in debt, a hollowed out public service, and little or no headroom if looming clouds become an economic storm.

Been done so many times.
Suffice to say the Tories led the remain campaign in the form of Cameron and Osborne, and they made it up.
Suffice to say the Tories led the leave campaign in the form if Johnson and Gove, and they made it up.

So in essence the Tories made it all up in an attempt to sort out their internal strife.

Meanwhile, loads fell for the petty nationalist arguments.

Add all three and leave won.

Not a lot to be proud of though, is there.

You keep harping on about 'petty nationalist arguments'. Out of interest, just what on earth are you talking about?

And, you are falling into that same boring trap of playing politics with Brexit by trying to blame the Tories. All three parties had a Referendum in their Manifestos. In the HoC, there was a huge vote in favour of holding the Referendum. I can't remember the exact figure, but it was something like 32-628 (or something like that). It was overwhelming. It's not a Tory Brexit. It's what the people voted for, in the largest turnout for any vote in the history of the UK. It's the fools who have turned the whole issue into a party issue that are hindering things.

"So in essence the Tories made it all up in an attempt to sort out their internal strife." - Incorrect. Did Labour MP's vote in favour of a referendum to help out the Tories then did they? The referendum was called in an attempt to stop the flow of voters going to UKIP, from both Tory and Labour. The political elite were convinced they would win the referendum, and in doing so would end the constant EU arguments, and kill off UKIP in one fell swoop. It didn't go to plan did it !

Both Labour and the Lib Dems had referenda in their 2015 manifestos regarding any future transfer of powers, not an in/out one now. Tjat was a Conservative one and Cameron even made a big deal of that difference too in the campaign.

Parliament voted in favour as anything less would play into UKIP and Conservative hands. And yes, there was a feeling it would be a remain result.

I still stand by my feeling that the reasons for leaving were too varied to be centred around one or two issues. Many of which were Conservative austerity policy and a preconception about quite how much we were "ruled" by Brussels.

Some mistake the ECHR for an EU institution for example or believe the straight bananas story, or that Turkey was an EU member (all from personal experience).

I liked Cameron but I have to agree this was a Conservative initiative and they remain responsible for its very poor campaigns.

It didn't say that though, did it. Anyway, didn't the government announce another 20+ billion going into the NHS in the budget yesterday?