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Post by midlandgas213 on Dec 12, 2018 8:59:58 GMT
I am not trying to be controversial or offensive here , but racism is not restricted to football it is a society problem, for some of us older generation that are not pc minded we may say things that many years ago were acceptable and we would have said them fondly or as a joke not offensive, sometimes the pc brigade go overboard.
And again racism is a two way thing we lived in a house for over 30 years and had an Asian family of 8 adults move in next door into a 3 bed semi and made our lives hell . We had to move due to my wife’s health over this and lost over £40k on our house due to it.
So please remember in future YES in this day and age racism is unnaceptable but as I said above racism is a two way offence and we can be racially abused by others as well
As I said not trying to be controversial or offensive
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Post by althepirate on Dec 12, 2018 10:23:06 GMT
I am not trying to be controversial or offensive here , but racism is not restricted to football it is a society problem, for some of us older generation that are not pc minded we may say things that many years ago were acceptable and we would have said them fondly or as a joke not offensive, sometimes the pc brigade go overboard. And again racism is a two way thing we lived in a house for over 30 years and had an Asian family of 8 adults move in next door into a 3 bed semi and made our lives hell . We had to move due to my wife’s health over this and lost over £40k on our house due to it. So please remember in future YES in this day and age racism is unnaceptable but as I said above racism is a two way offence and we can be racially abused by others as well As I said not trying to be controversial or offensive Yes indeed if we are to happily integrate we must look at the issue from both sides not just one. In what other problem would one person's point of view be considered and another ones ignored? I get the feeling that only white people are racist. This is a racist as we are all the same. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 12, 2018 10:29:27 GMT
If we want to talk about racism in football this is the place. If we want to talk about racism in the wider context then that belongs in General Chat, thanks. (Yes, I know they're inextricable, really.)
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Post by Baxtinho on Dec 12, 2018 10:30:37 GMT
I am not trying to be controversial or offensive here , but racism is not restricted to football it is a society problem, for some of us older generation that are not pc minded we may say things that many years ago were acceptable and we would have said them fondly or as a joke not offensive, sometimes the pc brigade go overboard. And again racism is a two way thing we lived in a house for over 30 years and had an Asian family of 8 adults move in next door into a 3 bed semi and made our lives hell . We had to move due to my wife’s health over this and lost over £40k on our house due to it. So please remember in future YES in this day and age racism is unnaceptable but as I said above racism is a two way offence and we can be racially abused by others as well As I said not trying to be controversial or offensive Why did you have to bring your neighbours race into it?
What about them being there made you the subject of racist abuse?
Such a tiresome excuse the "it was acceptable in my day" or "pc brigade go overboard". Times change, and you're showing yourself up with 1970's views.
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Post by socrates on Dec 12, 2018 10:36:14 GMT
I am not trying to be controversial or offensive here , but racism is not restricted to football it is a society problem, for some of us older generation that are not pc minded we may say things that many years ago were acceptable and we would have said them fondly or as a joke not offensive, sometimes the pc brigade go overboard. And again racism is a two way thing we lived in a house for over 30 years and had an Asian family of 8 adults move in next door into a 3 bed semi and made our lives hell . We had to move due to my wife’s health over this and lost over £40k on our house due to it. So please remember in future YES in this day and age racism is unnaceptable but as I said above racism is a two way offence and we can be racially abused by others as well As I said not trying to be controversial or offensive What’s that story got to do with race other than that they were Asian ? If they’d been white would it have been any worse or easier ? I dislike you more and more with each post. |
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Post by althepirate on Dec 12, 2018 10:36:51 GMT
I am not trying to be controversial or offensive here , but racism is not restricted to football it is a society problem, for some of us older generation that are not pc minded we may say things that many years ago were acceptable and we would have said them fondly or as a joke not offensive, sometimes the pc brigade go overboard. And again racism is a two way thing we lived in a house for over 30 years and had an Asian family of 8 adults move in next door into a 3 bed semi and made our lives hell . We had to move due to my wife’s health over this and lost over £40k on our house due to it. So please remember in future YES in this day and age racism is unnaceptable but as I said above racism is a two way offence and we can be racially abused by others as well As I said not trying to be controversial or offensive Why did you have to bring your neighbours race into it?
What about them being there made you the subject of racist abuse?
Such a tiresome excuse the "it was acceptable in my day" or "pc brigade go overboard". Times change, and you're showing yourself up with 1970's views.
No he's just being very honest. Like I said both sides have to be listened to not just one. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 12, 2018 10:53:55 GMT
Have moved this section from GasChat -AF
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 11:23:43 GMT
I am not trying to be controversial or offensive here , but racism is not restricted to football it is a society problem, for some of us older generation that are not pc minded we may say things that many years ago were acceptable and we would have said them fondly or as a joke not offensive, sometimes the pc brigade go overboard. And again racism is a two way thing we lived in a house for over 30 years and had an Asian family of 8 adults move in next door into a 3 bed semi and made our lives hell . We had to move due to my wife’s health over this and lost over £40k on our house due to it. So please remember in future YES in this day and age racism is unnaceptable but as I said above racism is a two way offence and we can be racially abused by others as well As I said not trying to be controversial or offensive What’s that story got to do with race other than that they were Asian ? If they’d been white would it have been any worse or easier ? I dislike you more and more with each post. Thank you for posting this. It never ceases to surprise me how my many of my generation cannot recognise the ignorance and stupidity of their own attitudes and words. It makes me depressed to read it. Some of us remember the late 60s and 70s where it was ok to out signs of "no blacks" on rental property ads. Naming the race of a family next door, however badly behaved, is the same attitude. Bad behaviour is bad behaviour, race and ethnicity has naff all to do with it. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 12, 2018 12:08:16 GMT
I am not trying to be controversial or offensive here , but racism is not restricted to football it is a society problem, for some of us older generation that are not pc minded we may say things that many years ago were acceptable and we would have said them fondly or as a joke not offensive, sometimes the pc brigade go overboard. And again racism is a two way thing we lived in a house for over 30 years and had an Asian family of 8 adults move in next door into a 3 bed semi and made our lives hell . We had to move due to my wife’s health over this and lost over £40k on our house due to it. So please remember in future YES in this day and age racism is unnaceptable but as I said above racism is a two way offence and we can be racially abused by others as well As I said not trying to be controversial or offensive you are blinded by your own outdated perspective. Any one can be racially abused. The fact that you felt you had to make a point about 'remember racism works both ways' clearly demonstrates your association that 'normal racism' is white on black. That in itself is worthy of some self reflection. Your notion that you mean no harm whilst saying unacceptable things does not exonerate you and whilst it might mean you are not intentionally malicious it does make you ignorant. Today we do not say these things, yesterday they were said without malice, before that they were said with malice. You have some catching up to do - today we do not do this and it is only ignorance that appeases your assumption that it is still ok. Reflect on that too. Your neighbours caused you hell and happened to be Asian. You caused your neighbours hell and happened to be a male. It is YOUR associations that you should reflect on. They used to burn witches. |
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Post by baggins on Dec 12, 2018 13:10:13 GMT
I am not trying to be controversial or offensive here , but racism is not restricted to football it is a society problem, for some of us older generation that are not pc minded we may say things that many years ago were acceptable and we would have said them fondly or as a joke not offensive, sometimes the pc brigade go overboard. And again racism is a two way thing we lived in a house for over 30 years and had an Asian family of 8 adults move in next door into a 3 bed semi and made our lives hell . We had to move due to my wife’s health over this and lost over £40k on our house due to it. So please remember in future YES in this day and age racism is unnaceptable but as I said above racism is a two way offence and we can be racially abused by others as well As I said not trying to be controversial or offensive I'm not racist but..... This has just topped off a cracking morning with saving £200 on my car insurance, my new credit card works, a Bond has just paid it's interest, and now this. Brilliant. |
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Post by tommym9 on Dec 12, 2018 13:11:41 GMT
I am not trying to be controversial or offensive here , but racism is not restricted to football it is a society problem, for some of us older generation that are not pc minded we may say things that many years ago were acceptable and we would have said them fondly or as a joke not offensive, sometimes the pc brigade go overboard. And again racism is a two way thing we lived in a house for over 30 years and had an Asian family of 8 adults move in next door into a 3 bed semi and made our lives hell . We had to move due to my wife’s health over this and lost over £40k on our house due to it. So please remember in future YES in this day and age racism is unnaceptable but as I said above racism is a two way offence and we can be racially abused by others as wellAs I said not trying to be controversial or offensive By 'we' I presume you mean whites? And yes we can be, but in my 30 odd years I have never been the victim of racism and I would venture neither have any of my friends who are white. My friends who are BAME on the other hand face racism every single day. |
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Post by inee on Dec 12, 2018 13:22:11 GMT
What’s that story got to do with race other than that they were Asian ? If they’d been white would it have been any worse or easier ? I dislike you more and more with each post. Thank you for posting this. It never ceases to surprise me how my many of my generation cannot recognise the ignorance and stupidity of their own attitudes and words. It makes me depressed to read it. Some of us remember the late 60s and 70s where it was ok to out signs of "no blacks" on rental property ads. Naming the race of a family next door, however badly behaved, is the same attitude. Bad behaviour is bad behaviour, race and ethnicity has naff all to do with it. I find it interesting given your post that you only focus on the word black ,the signs read No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs , why did you leave the Irish out as at the time they were hated more than most. Whilst i agree that bad behaviour is bad behaviour no matter who causes it ,people seem to have a closed mind when reading midlands posts ,i read it as it was intended that as most people seem to believe that racism is a whites only problem ,he was highlighting something that happened to him, how would people have reacted if he said that he forced the asians out ,quite correctly people would have had a right benny at him ,however he didn't say that ,he said the opposite and again people had a benny at him ,he was simply highlighting the fact that racism can come from anywhere. Reread it with an open mind ,he's saying that racism isn't solely a white problem but when it's muted to be from a non white people get their knickers in a twist and claim the poster is racist |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 13:44:38 GMT
Thank you for posting this. It never ceases to surprise me how my many of my generation cannot recognise the ignorance and stupidity of their own attitudes and words. It makes me depressed to read it. Some of us remember the late 60s and 70s where it was ok to out signs of "no blacks" on rental property ads. Naming the race of a family next door, however badly behaved, is the same attitude. Bad behaviour is bad behaviour, race and ethnicity has naff all to do with it. I find it interesting given your post that you only focus on the word black ,the signs read No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs , why did you leave the Irish out as at the time they were hated more than most. Whilst i agree that bad behaviour is bad behaviour no matter who causes it ,people seem to have a closed mind when reading midlands posts ,i read it as it was intended that as most people seem to believe that racism is a whites only problem ,he was highlighting something that happened to him, how would people have reacted if he said that he forced the asians out ,quite correctly people would have had a right benny at him ,however he didn't say that ,he said the opposite and again people had a benny at him ,he was simply highlighting the fact that racism can come from anywhere. Reread it with an open mind ,he's saying that racism isn't solely a white problem but when it's muted to be from a non white people get their knickers in a twist and claim the poster is racist I have no issues with accepting there is racism within all societies and ethnic groupings. My issue with Midland is that he raised the issue of poor behaviour from his neighbours. In itself not an issue, perhaps many of us have felt the same on occasion about neighbours. My issue is he related it to the fact they were Indian, and a family of 8. Neither is relevant, the only relevance is their poor behaviour (as claimed). Why mention their ethnicity? |
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Post by baggins on Dec 12, 2018 13:47:33 GMT
I find it interesting given your post that you only focus on the word black ,the signs read No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs , why did you leave the Irish out as at the time they were hated more than most. Whilst i agree that bad behaviour is bad behaviour no matter who causes it ,people seem to have a closed mind when reading midlands posts ,i read it as it was intended that as most people seem to believe that racism is a whites only problem ,he was highlighting something that happened to him, how would people have reacted if he said that he forced the asians out ,quite correctly people would have had a right benny at him ,however he didn't say that ,he said the opposite and again people had a benny at him ,he was simply highlighting the fact that racism can come from anywhere. Reread it with an open mind ,he's saying that racism isn't solely a white problem but when it's muted to be from a non white people get their knickers in a twist and claim the poster is racist I have no issues with accepting there is racism within all societies and ethnic groupings. My issue with Midland is that he raised the issue of poor behaviour from his neighbours. In itself not an issue, perhaps many of us have felt the same on occasion about neighbours. My issue is he related it to the fact they were Indian, and a family of 8. Neither is relevant, the only relevance is their poor behaviour (as claimed). Why mention their ethnicity? He mentioned it because he's a racist. The end. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 13:55:39 GMT
I have no issues with accepting there is racism within all societies and ethnic groupings. My issue with Midland is that he raised the issue of poor behaviour from his neighbours. In itself not an issue, perhaps many of us have felt the same on occasion about neighbours. My issue is he related it to the fact they were Indian, and a family of 8. Neither is relevant, the only relevance is their poor behaviour (as claimed). Why mention their ethnicity? He mentioned it because he's a racist. The end. I believe he is, I also believe he doesn't realise it |
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Post by baggins on Dec 12, 2018 14:06:07 GMT
He mentioned it because he's a racist. The end. I believe he is, I also believe he doesn't realise it And the sympathy ends there. |
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Post by althepirate on Dec 12, 2018 14:17:44 GMT
He mentioned it because he's a racist. The end. I believe he is, I also believe he doesn't realise it That's very arrogant and you don't realise it |
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Post by jaggas on Dec 12, 2018 14:18:38 GMT
What’s that story got to do with race other than that they were Asian ? If they’d been white would it have been any worse or easier ? I dislike you more and more with each post. Thank you for posting this. It never ceases to surprise me how my many of my generation cannot recognise the ignorance and stupidity of their own attitudes and words. It makes me depressed to read it. Some of us remember the late 60s and 70s where it was ok to out signs of "no blacks" on rental property ads. Naming the race of a family next door, however badly behaved, is the same attitude. Bad behaviour is bad behaviour, race and ethnicity has naff all to do with it. Plenty of those signs still in evidence except they say Muslims only....There is discrimination against whites in job ads as well where only people from ethnic backgrounds are invited to apply. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 14:29:09 GMT
Thank you for posting this. It never ceases to surprise me how my many of my generation cannot recognise the ignorance and stupidity of their own attitudes and words. It makes me depressed to read it. Some of us remember the late 60s and 70s where it was ok to out signs of "no blacks" on rental property ads. Naming the race of a family next door, however badly behaved, is the same attitude. Bad behaviour is bad behaviour, race and ethnicity has naff all to do with it. Plenty of those signs still in evidence except they say Muslims only....There is discrimination against whites in job ads as well where only people from ethnic backgrounds are invited to apply. That's totally illegal. Love to see an example |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 14:30:06 GMT
I believe he is, I also believe he doesn't realise it That's very arrogant and you don't realise it Nothing arrogant in expressing an opinion. Not liking my opinion does not make me arrogant. |
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