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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 12:45:41 GMT
I believe Wael is some kind of deluded eccentric with a bit of family money who thinks he’s pals with John Terry. Starnes, Hamer, Gorringe et al are like cowboy builders “Hmm, that boiler needs replacing immediately Mr Wael, it’ll cost you 20 grand or 15 for cash”.
They just have to keep spouting the same sh&te without saying anything and they can keep earning their salaries while delivering nothing.
DC has called them out.
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Post by baggins on Dec 14, 2018 12:51:48 GMT
I believe Wael is some kind of deluded eccentric with a bit of family money who thinks he’s pals with John Terry. Starnes, Hamer, Gorringe et al are like cowboy builders “Hmm, that boiler needs replacing immediately Mr Wael, it’ll cost you 20 grand or 15 for cash”. They just have to keep spouting the same sh&te without saying anything and they can keep earning their salaries while delivering nothing. DC has called them out. Bit harsh on Gorringe.
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Post by sipirate on Dec 14, 2018 13:39:52 GMT
The only negative is, he doesn’t gas up the fans or say everything out loud before it’s official.. give me someone like that any day!
Wael speaks the truth when he speaks and sorry I meant July 2019.
Facts are he’s done more for this club already than Higgs. A lot of you are fickle football fans who have zero accument.
Question.. what would you do if he just went ahh f**k it, I’ll give them what they want and leave tomorrow... WE would be screwed..
See how many of you are cheering then
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Post by farmygas on Dec 14, 2018 13:46:08 GMT
We really do have the club we deserve with opinions like this. Dear oh dear.
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Post by sipirate on Dec 14, 2018 14:06:38 GMT
We really do have the club we deserve with opinions like this. Dear oh dear. Opinions like what, I’m stating facts.. your speaking of opinions and getting your knickers in a twist because he doesn’t log and publicise his every move.. I don’t give a toot if he updates us all the time on plans.. keep doing your work Wael. The Mem has never looked or operated better! Let’s hope we get a new manager with new ideas.
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Post by completewingback on Dec 14, 2018 14:09:57 GMT
We really do have the club we deserve with opinions like this. Dear oh dear. Opinions like what, I’m stating facts.. your speaking of opinions and getting your knickers in a twist because he doesn’t log and publicise his every move.. I don’t give a toot if he updates us all the time on plans.. keep doing your work Wael. The Mem has never looked or operated better! Let’s hope we get a new manager with new ideas. Do you not find strange how you couldn't take a p*ss in the bathroom without running into him when we were winning, but ever since last year it's been near-impossible to hear anything at all from him?
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Post by sipirate on Dec 14, 2018 14:16:39 GMT
Yeah no doubt I completely agree.. hey he’s not perfect but at least here is someone who loves football.. and just doesn’t talk for the sake of it. I much prefer that and is better for business.
Can you supply me with a quote from him that suggest he isn’t planning big things.. or even supply me with something he has said will happen and won’t? I will judge next July, he said we should be in training ground then.. that’s the first significant date he has confirmed. So I look forward to more progression. That’s stay up this year and go again.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 14, 2018 14:28:42 GMT
Yeah no doubt I completely agree.. hey he’s not perfect but at least here is someone who loves football.. and just doesn’t talk for the sake of it. I much prefer that and is better for business. Can you supply me with a quote from him that suggest he isn’t planning big things.. or even supply me with something he has said will happen and won’t? I will judge next July, he said we should be in training ground then.. that’s the first significant date he has confirmed. So I look forward to more progression. That’s stay up this year and go again. apart from the fact Starnes said the training ground remains an aspiration, they promised the stadium, finances weren't a problem etc. There's endless examples of them changing their minds, committing to fans and then backtracking, cancelling etc. I don't know why you seem to be ignoring all of that but whatever. Pop back here mate in July, when the training ground (you know, the one they have already backtracked on) is built. If their own words aren't enough to convince you of their inaction, perhaps actual inaction will be. Do us a favour though would you? Just because you still have faith in them delivering anything substantive in spite of the evidence to the contrary, don't make excuses on their behalf to all of us gasheads who have categorically been lied to and let down. It's just in bad taste.
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Post by farmygas on Dec 14, 2018 15:57:05 GMT
We really do have the club we deserve with opinions like this. Dear oh dear. Opinions like what, I’m stating facts.. your speaking of opinions and getting your knickers in a twist because he doesn’t log and publicise his every move.. I don’t give a toot if he updates us all the time on plans.. keep doing your work Wael. The Mem has never looked or operated better! Let’s hope we get a new manager with new ideas. Alright then let's play this game. Training ground, we were told we would be applying for PP imminently in Jan, nothing happens until Nov where Hamer let's it slip in a damage limitation interview after Barnet that we might get there for 2020 if we're lucky but we have no money for it. If we'd beaten Barnet would we have ever known this? Can you point me to the official statement which explains in any detail why the club withdrew from UWE? All I've heard is "it wasn't the right deal for the club". The gate receipt stuff is all fan conjecture. Since then it's been 'we're gonna redevelop the Mem, oh no wait we're exploring other options, oh wait the UWE is back on, oh no we're redeveloping the Mem'. Does this really sound to you like people who did due diligence and had a plan B for the UWE collapsing? They came in all guns blazing saying 'we're building a new stadium, finance is no problem and we don't need to sell the Mem' and all we've got is a new tent that barely passed a health and safety assessment. £1.5m to be cut from the playing budget next season. This is a fact. Sorry for getting my knickers in a twist but I and many others can't envision a positive trajectory for our club and it seems to me that the owners just gave the boot to the last person who gives a sh** about us because he started asking difficult questions.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 17:08:50 GMT
Opinions like what, I’m stating facts.. your speaking of opinions and getting your knickers in a twist because he doesn’t log and publicise his every move.. I don’t give a toot if he updates us all the time on plans.. keep doing your work Wael. The Mem has never looked or operated better! Let’s hope we get a new manager with new ideas. Alright then let's play this game. Training ground, we were told we would be applying for PP imminently in Jan, nothing happens until Nov where Hamer let's it slip in a damage limitation interview after Barnet that we might get there for 2020 if we're lucky but we have no money for it. If we'd beaten Barnet would we have ever known this? Can you point me to the official statement which explains in any detail why the club withdrew from UWE? All I've heard is "it wasn't the right deal for the club". The gate receipt stuff is all fan conjecture. Since then it's been 'we're gonna redevelop the Mem, oh no wait we're exploring other options, oh wait the UWE is back on, oh no we're redeveloping the Mem'. Does this really sound to you like people who did due diligence and had a plan B for the UWE collapsing? They came in all guns blazing saying 'we're building a new stadium, finance is no problem and we don't need to sell the Mem' and all we've got is a new tent that barely passed a health and safety assessment. £1.5m to be cut from the playing budget next season. This is a fact. Sorry for getting my knickers in a twist but I and many others can't envision a positive trajectory for our club and it seems to me that the owners just gave the boot to the last person who gives a sh** about us because he started asking difficult questions. Exactly right- there is no tangible evidence out there other than the word of Dwane Sports and that has since been proved to be worth absolutely nothing seeing as to how they spun DC a yarn about a new training ground and stadium to get him to stay. If Wael told me it was raining I'd put my had out of the window to check.
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Post by Big Jock on Dec 14, 2018 17:38:41 GMT
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Post by Jomo on Dec 14, 2018 18:00:30 GMT
Opinions like what, I’m stating facts.. your speaking of opinions and getting your knickers in a twist because he doesn’t log and publicise his every move.. I don’t give a toot if he updates us all the time on plans.. keep doing your work Wael. The Mem has never looked or operated better! Let’s hope we get a new manager with new ideas. Alright then let's play this game. Training ground, we were told we would be applying for PP imminently in Jan, nothing happens until Nov where Hamer let's it slip in a damage limitation interview after Barnet that we might get there for 2020 if we're lucky but we have no money for it. If we'd beaten Barnet would we have ever known this? Can you point me to the official statement which explains in any detail why the club withdrew from UWE? All I've heard is "it wasn't the right deal for the club". The gate receipt stuff is all fan conjecture. Since then it's been 'we're gonna redevelop the Mem, oh no wait we're exploring other options, oh wait the UWE is back on, oh no we're redeveloping the Mem'. Does this really sound to you like people who did due diligence and had a plan B for the UWE collapsing? They came in all guns blazing saying 'we're building a new stadium, finance is no problem and we don't need to sell the Mem' and all we've got is a new tent that barely passed a health and safety assessment. £1.5m to be cut from the playing budget next season. This is a fact. Sorry for getting my knickers in a twist but I and many others can't envision a positive trajectory for our club and it seems to me that the owners just gave the boot to the last person who gives a sh** about us because he started asking difficult questions. Add to that that the UWE statement came out in a rush late at night because it was leaked earlier that day. We'd probably still be told we're in discussions with UWE to this very day had they not been pushed into giving that insulting panic statement on the OS. I used the word "insulting" in the strongest possible terms by the way. Add to that what nobby reminded me of yesterday, that at the AGM in March we were told that the Colony planning application would be submitted in the next 6-8 weeks. If that wasn't a barefaced lie then I'll be a monkey's uncle. Oh and I use the word "lie" in the strongest possible terms also. Oh and the new "stand" that is actually just a tent that you'd be more likely to find at a school sports day, was going to be one of 3 new stands, of bespoke construction. We've got the same temporary tent we had before as the SW stand, a new temporary tent that is not befitting of the phrase "bespoke construction", and the other stand just didn't happen. No communication ever came through as to why it was dropped. Still, us fans don't need to know do we!?!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 18:13:58 GMT
Alright then let's play this game. Training ground, we were told we would be applying for PP imminently in Jan, nothing happens until Nov where Hamer let's it slip in a damage limitation interview after Barnet that we might get there for 2020 if we're lucky but we have no money for it. If we'd beaten Barnet would we have ever known this? Can you point me to the official statement which explains in any detail why the club withdrew from UWE? All I've heard is "it wasn't the right deal for the club". The gate receipt stuff is all fan conjecture. Since then it's been 'we're gonna redevelop the Mem, oh no wait we're exploring other options, oh wait the UWE is back on, oh no we're redeveloping the Mem'. Does this really sound to you like people who did due diligence and had a plan B for the UWE collapsing? They came in all guns blazing saying 'we're building a new stadium, finance is no problem and we don't need to sell the Mem' and all we've got is a new tent that barely passed a health and safety assessment. £1.5m to be cut from the playing budget next season. This is a fact. Sorry for getting my knickers in a twist but I and many others can't envision a positive trajectory for our club and it seems to me that the owners just gave the boot to the last person who gives a sh** about us because he started asking difficult questions. Add to that that the UWE statement came out in a rush late at night because it was leaked earlier that day. We'd probably still be told we're in discussions with UWE to this very day had they not been pushed into giving that insulting panic statement on the OS. I used the word "insulting" in the strongest possible terms by the way. Add to that what nobby reminded me of yesterday, that at the AGM in March we were told that the Colony planning application would be submitted in the next 6-8 weeks. If that wasn't a barefaced lie then I'll be a monkey's uncle. Oh and I use the word "lie" in the strongest possible terms also. Oh and the new "stand" that is actually just a tent that you'd be more likely to find at a school sports day, was going to be one of 3 new stands, of bespoke construction. We've got the same temporary tent we had before as the SW stand, a new temporary tent that is not befitting of the phrase "bespoke construction", and the other stand just didn't happen. No communication ever came through as to why it was dropped. Still, us fans don't need to know do we!?! Yeah that is a timely reminder about the planning application. It is quite clear that rather than be transparent they like to throw arbitrary timescales out there or obfuscate with nothing statements about "exploring all available opportunities" to convince others that they are busy working on things so everyone just shuts up and stops asking them difficult questions about their intentions. I would be surprised if anyone actually takes them seriously anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 18:18:33 GMT
Yeah no doubt I completely agree.. hey he’s not perfect but at least here is someone who loves football.. and just doesn’t talk for the sake of it. I much prefer that and is better for business. Can you supply me with a quote from him that suggest he isn’t planning big things.. or even supply me with something he has said will happen and won’t? I will judge next July, he said we should be in training ground then.. that’s the first significant date he has confirmed. So I look forward to more progression. That’s stay up this year and go again. "Planning Application for the Colony will be submitted within the next six to eight weeks". Source: AGM March 2018.
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Post by Jomo on Dec 14, 2018 18:36:02 GMT
Yeah no doubt I completely agree.. hey he’s not perfect but at least here is someone who loves football.. and just doesn’t talk for the sake of it. I much prefer that and is better for business. Can you supply me with a quote from him that suggest he isn’t planning big things.. or even supply me with something he has said will happen and won’t? I will judge next July, he said we should be in training ground then.. that’s the first significant date he has confirmed. So I look forward to more progression. That’s stay up this year and go again. "Planning Application for the Colony will be submitted within the next six to eight weeks". Source: AGM March 2018. Can somebody please post this to Wael, Starnes and Hamer, asking for an explanation? Wording I'd use: "Dear Sirs, During the March 2018 AGM, it was publicised that a planning application for the Colony training facility would be submitted within the next 6-8 weeks. Considering the amount of weeks that have past since then is a staggering 38 weeks, I feel I speak on behalf of the vast majority of the Bristol Rovers fanbase that this requires an explanation. I'd also note that the words "confidentiality clause" will not be tolerated as an adequate explanation. I don't feel that it is likely that an organisation could go from allegedly planning to submit a planning application with the next 2 months, to being 500-700% overdue due to a sudden emergence of a confidentiality clause. Let's also add to that a request for why in the Chairman's latest interview with Geoff Twentyman, he stated that costs have increased beyond the expectation. Now this may be so, which is highly disappointing as it would appear to show a lack of due diligence prior to publicising the notion of a training ground construction at the Colony. However it does not explain why the aforementioned 6-8 week planning application timescale did not take place, and has since been ignored during any questioning. We look forward to your prompt and explanatory response. Kind regards The Supporters of Bristol Rovers FC"
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 14, 2018 18:54:47 GMT
"Planning Application for the Colony will be submitted within the next six to eight weeks". Source: AGM March 2018. Can somebody please post this to Wael, Starnes and Hamer, asking for an explanation? Wording I'd use: "Dear Sirs, During the March 2018 AGM, it was publicised that a planning application for the Colony training facility would be submitted within the next 6-8 weeks. Considering the amount of weeks that have past since then is a staggering 38 weeks, I feel I speak on behalf of the vast majority of the Bristol Rovers fanbase that this requires an explanation. I'd also note that the words "confidentiality clause" will not be tolerated as an adequate explanation. I don't feel that it is likely that an organisation could go from allegedly planning to submit a planning application with the next 2 months, to being 500-700% overdue due to a sudden emergence of a confidentiality clause. Let's also add to that a request for why in the Chairman's latest interview with Geoff Twentyman, he stated that costs have increased beyond the expectation. Now this may be so, which is highly disappointing as it would appear to show a lack of due diligence prior to publicising the notion of a training ground construction at the Colony. However it does not explain why the aforementioned 6-8 week planning application timescale did not take place, and has since been ignored during any questioning. We look forward to your prompt and explanatory response. Kind regards The Supporters of Bristol Rovers FC" I'll save you the bother. If you did somehow get a response from that it would be this: Dear Sirs, Yours sincerely, the crazy gang
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Post by aghast on Dec 14, 2018 19:13:03 GMT
Add to that that the UWE statement came out in a rush late at night because it was leaked earlier that day. We'd probably still be told we're in discussions with UWE to this very day had they not been pushed into giving that insulting panic statement on the OS. I used the word "insulting" in the strongest possible terms by the way. Add to that what nobby reminded me of yesterday, that at the AGM in March we were told that the Colony planning application would be submitted in the next 6-8 weeks. If that wasn't a barefaced lie then I'll be a monkey's uncle. Oh and I use the word "lie" in the strongest possible terms also. Oh and the new "stand" that is actually just a tent that you'd be more likely to find at a school sports day, was going to be one of 3 new stands, of bespoke construction. We've got the same temporary tent we had before as the SW stand, a new temporary tent that is not befitting of the phrase "bespoke construction", and the other stand just didn't happen. No communication ever came through as to why it was dropped. Still, us fans don't need to know do we!?! Yeah that is a timely reminder about the planning application. It is quite clear that rather than be transparent they like to throw arbitrary timescales out there or obfuscate with nothing statements about "exploring all available opportunities" to convince others that they are busy working on things so everyone just shuts up and stops asking them difficult questions about their intentions. I would be surprised if anyone actually takes them seriously anymore. People do take them seriously though. Look at what DC said: "I’m being honest now, they try and tell me different, but I can’t see the training ground or stadium happening any time I’m manager and, for me, I think it’s the other way. There’s going to be cuts." That has been taken by a few to mean that the Board told DC the training ground/stadium WILL happen, and therefore the doubters are wrong. They are disregarding the fact that this isn't some ITK fan, but DC, and ignoring the broken promises and missed timescales. It's nonsense, in my opinion. They can't just keep on and on and on plugging the "we are working on it, but you're not worthy enough to be told". I do think there is a plan, since they can't carry on like this, but the only plan I can see is selling up as soon as some other mugs come along.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 14, 2018 19:15:46 GMT
I would just like to know why there is so much negativity around our owners? In my eyes and just speaking about facts I’ve witnessed the folllowing: Straight away he identified a clause in the Uwe deal stating we would not earn no money from the stadium apart from on match-day so basically it wouldn’t be our stadium so let’s look at clubs who don’t own their grounds.. coventry..? Leeds sold there stadium and struggled for a while in league 1 they have been trying to buy it back for years.. only achieved it last year. Look at them now.. flying First impression, great, identified a serious potential problem. And also he always said it was going to revolution not evolution.. The playing staff: Biggest budget we have had, I think that’s common knowledge.. Okay training ground has taken a little longer than expected, but he said he should be in their in July 2018, WHEN these guys actually give dates it gives me confidence.. because as we all know it’s like getting blood out of a stone! The stadium will happen.. these are top business people we will get there! Have faith or please tell me facts on why not too.. don’t come at me with rumours either just facts. Blimey! If you want facts don’t come on here. Rumours 10 a penny, facts bit like the yeti, probably do exist but not seen on here recently! UTG!
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Post by Jomo on Dec 14, 2018 19:35:13 GMT
Well it's not because I don't recall the anti-board people actually talking about specifics of the deal. For example I have said nothing about the deal itself- I have always questioned whether they had the money or intent to build UWE because they had interest in purchasing Gillingham. The differences between us and Gillingham were quite stark, at the time so it isn't too much of a leap to conclude that they were not lured to Rovers by the idea of a property deal. The pro-boarders constantly bring up about how it was a bad deal - all I want to know is how does anyone know if it was a good or a bad deal? It seems they came up with this bad deal stuff to protect the current board from going down even further in everyone's estimation when uWE got canned. Well the cat's well and truly out of the bag now that the club is going nowhere, so where can we find the ins and outs of the UWE deal? Gillingham is close to AJIB HQ, and they only mentioned they had a look at it, not that they were determined to get it, or something more emphatic. Dwane said it was a bad deal. If it was a good deal for the club, istm pretty reasonable that it would be a good deal for Dwane. I don't see where the value in turning down a good deal is. Istm either Dwane are acting in good faith and the UWE deal wasn't good for the club, or you have to make up some strange sort of situation where people are lying, acting in bad faith, have some sort of convoluted plan that doesn't make any sense. If you think that, fine, I guess. But it's weird to have a convoluted explanation that doesn't make sense without proof only to demand proof when anyone comes up with a simple, reasonable explanation that obeys Occam's Razor. For Dwayne Sports I certainly see the value in them turning down a deal, whether it was good or bad. If their admission that the training ground is costing more than they thought so they've shelved it as anything to go by, it seems reasonable to me that they wouldn't have been able to afford the Stadium either way. I'm not blind to the fact that they have made some improvements to the Mem, and the Development Squad is a big plus for me, however it's on the bigger issues they've massively let themselves down. They seem to have not done anywhere enough due diligence in regards to costs of running a club and raising capital for major infrastructure developments. The worst thing is though that they clearly are lying or at best bending the truth, when it comes to informing the fans about the major developments. 6-8 weeks for Colony planning application. That was 9 months ago! Hardly a "little delay" as sipirate said, wouldn't you agree? Then there's the stadium architects that apparently were working on the Plan B Mem development if I remember rightly? What has happened with that? It's too long since we've heard anything, which breeds scepticism.
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Post by socrates on Dec 14, 2018 19:57:10 GMT
I would just like to know why there is so much negativity around our owners? In my eyes and just speaking about facts I’ve witnessed the folllowing: Straight away he identified a clause in the Uwe deal stating we would not earn no money from the stadium apart from on match-day so basically it wouldn’t be our stadium so let’s look at clubs who don’t own their grounds.. coventry..? Leeds sold there stadium and struggled for a while in league 1 they have been trying to buy it back for years.. only achieved it last year. Look at them now.. flying First impression, great, identified a serious potential problem. And also he always said it was going to revolution not evolution.. The playing staff: Biggest budget we have had, I think that’s common knowledge.. Okay training ground has taken a little longer than expected, but he said he should be in their in July 2018, WHEN these guys actually give dates it gives me confidence.. because as we all know it’s like getting blood out of a stone! The stadium will happen.. these are top business people we will get there! Have faith or please tell me facts on why not too.. don’t come at me with rumours either just facts. I agree with slot of what you say but you haven’t mentioned any of the bad. Which sums it up for me. I don’t beleive Wael is poison as some say. I don’t beleive he’s asset stripping either. I honestly believe he got the Rovers bug. I do beleive his family haven’t got the Rovers bug and that’s our biggest stumbling block, they’re not football nuts like he is. Look at the foreign owners up and down the country they’re mostly mad football fans with loads of money to throw at their clubs knowing full well that they’re unlikely to make a profit. Waels family aren’t letting it happen. Well stay in the lower divisions until they either do or they sell the club to someone who can. I’m dissatisfied and disappointed by that but I don’t think Wael is poison I think he’s dissatisfied and disappointed too. A family of Jordanian rich bankers buy football club but only one of them likes football and he’s the baby in the family and can’t do the things he wants. Things like this only happen to the Gas.
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