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Post by sipirate on Dec 14, 2018 3:58:50 GMT
I would just like to know why there is so much negativity around our owners?
In my eyes and just speaking about facts I’ve witnessed the folllowing:
Straight away he identified a clause in the Uwe deal stating we would not earn no money from the stadium apart from on match-day so basically it wouldn’t be our stadium so let’s look at clubs who don’t own their grounds.. coventry..? Leeds sold there stadium and struggled for a while in league 1 they have been trying to buy it back for years.. only achieved it last year. Look at them now.. flying
First impression, great, identified a serious potential problem. And also he always said it was going to revolution not evolution..
The playing staff:
Biggest budget we have had, I think that’s common knowledge..
Okay training ground has taken a little longer than expected, but he said he should be in their in July 2018, WHEN these guys actually give dates it gives me confidence.. because as we all know it’s like getting blood out of a stone!
The stadium will happen.. these are top business people we will get there!
Have faith or please tell me facts on why not too.. don’t come at me with rumours either just facts.
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Post by blueridge on Dec 14, 2018 4:16:22 GMT
I would just like to know why there is so much negativity around our owners? In my eyes and just speaking about facts I’ve witnessed the folllowing: Straight away he identified a clause in the Uwe deal stating we would not earn no money from the stadium apart from on match-day so basically it wouldn’t be our stadium so let’s look at clubs who don’t own their grounds.. coventry..? Leeds sold there stadium and struggled for a while in league 1 they have been trying to buy it back for years.. only achieved it last year. Look at them now.. flying First impression, great, identified a serious potential problem. And also he always said it was going to revolution not evolution.. The playing staff: Biggest budget we have had, I think that’s common knowledge.. Okay training ground has taken a little longer than expected, but he said he should be in their in July 2018, WHEN these guys actually give dates it gives me confidence.. because as we all know it’s like getting blood out of a stone! The stadium will happen.. these are top business people we will get there! Have faith or please tell me facts on why not too.. don’t come at me with rumours either just facts. Think you need to revisit this pile of rubbish and either delete and start again or do some serious editing. |
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Post by toobluee on Dec 14, 2018 4:25:53 GMT
I would just like to know why there is so much negativity around our owners? In my eyes and just speaking about facts I’ve witnessed the folllowing: Straight away he identified a clause in the Uwe deal stating we would not earn no money from the stadium apart from on match-day so basically it wouldn’t be our stadium so let’s look at clubs who don’t own their grounds.. coventry..? Leeds sold there stadium and struggled for a while in league 1 they have been trying to buy it back for years.. only achieved it last year. Look at them now.. flying First impression, great, identified a serious potential problem. And also he always said it was going to revolution not evolution.. The playing staff: Biggest budget we have had, I think that’s common knowledge.. Okay training ground has taken a little longer than expected, but he said he should be in their in July 2018, WHEN these guys actually give dates it gives me confidence.. because as we all know it’s like getting blood out of a stone! The stadium will happen.. these are top business people we will get there! Have faith or please tell me facts on why not too.. don’t come at me with rumours either just facts. ahh let the conjecture commence. |
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Post by supergas on Dec 14, 2018 5:51:08 GMT
I could try to correct all of that but i) I would have far too much fun and ii) I'd almost certainly offend you....
....so I won't bother.....
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Post by Slide away on Dec 14, 2018 6:47:44 GMT
I would just like to know why there is so much negativity around our owners? In my eyes and just speaking about facts I’ve witnessed the folllowing: Straight away he identified a clause in the Uwe deal stating we would not earn no money from the stadium apart from on match-day so basically it wouldn’t be our stadium so let’s look at clubs who don’t own their grounds.. coventry..? Leeds sold there stadium and struggled for a while in league 1 they have been trying to buy it back for years.. only achieved it last year. Look at them now.. flying First impression, great, identified a serious potential problem. And also he always said it was going to revolution not evolution.. The playing staff: Biggest budget we have had, I think that’s common knowledge.. Okay training ground has taken a little longer than expected, but he said he should be in their in July 2018, WHEN these guys actually give dates it gives me confidence.. because as we all know it’s like getting blood out of a stone! The stadium will happen.. these are top business people we will get there! Have faith or please tell me facts on why not too.. don’t come at me with rumours either just facts. To much and to early to start picking this apart and cant even work out if this is meant to be a wind up or you are trying to be funny! Assuming you are being serious, the easy one is July 18 for the training ground, that was 5 months ago... |
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Post by madgas on Dec 14, 2018 7:12:36 GMT
I’ve supported the board as much as anyone has.
I don’t necessarily agree with all the criticism they receive. But let’s assume that everything in the Original post is true. (There are debatable parts.) The communication has been incredibly poor.
Really really need some leadership now.
Whether you thought he was up to the job or not. We’ve thrown the only showing leadership overboard.
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Post by kruger on Dec 14, 2018 8:26:43 GMT
Talking to the fans would be good, they don't, they don't care about us, I want them out, I have no confidence
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Dec 14, 2018 8:37:32 GMT
I would just like to know why there is so much negativity around our owners? In my eyes and just speaking about facts I’ve witnessed the folllowing: Straight away he identified a clause in the Uwe deal stating we would not earn no money from the stadium apart from on match-day so basically it wouldn’t be our stadium so let’s look at clubs who don’t own their grounds.. coventry..? Leeds sold there stadium and struggled for a while in league 1 they have been trying to buy it back for years.. only achieved it last year. Look at them now.. flying First impression, great, identified a serious potential problem. And also he always said it was going to revolution not evolution.. The playing staff: Biggest budget we have had, I think that’s common knowledge.. Okay training ground has taken a little longer than expected, but he said he should be in their in July 2018, WHEN these guys actually give dates it gives me confidence.. because as we all know it’s like getting blood out of a stone! The stadium will happen.. these are top business people we will get there! Have faith or please tell me facts on why not too.. don’t come at me with rumours either just facts. Cheers Wael! |
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Post by LJG on Dec 14, 2018 8:44:40 GMT
I would just like to know why there is so much negativity around our owners? In my eyes and just speaking about facts I’ve witnessed the folllowing: Straight away he identified a clause in the Uwe deal stating we would not earn no money from the stadium apart from on match-day so basically it wouldn’t be our stadium so let’s look at clubs who don’t own their grounds.. coventry..? Leeds sold there stadium and struggled for a while in league 1 they have been trying to buy it back for years.. only achieved it last year. Look at them now.. flying First impression, great, identified a serious potential problem. And also he always said it was going to revolution not evolution.. The playing staff: Biggest budget we have had, I think that’s common knowledge.. Okay training ground has taken a little longer than expected, but he said he should be in their in July 2018, WHEN these guys actually give dates it gives me confidence.. because as we all know it’s like getting blood out of a stone! The stadium will happen.. these are top business people we will get there! Have faith or please tell me facts on why not too.. don’t come at me with rumours either just facts. The problem is you've just looked at facts. What you need to do is half remember a few things, make a lot if it up, regurgitate some terrace rumours and when you've done all that you'll understand. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 9:33:32 GMT
I would just like to know why there is so much negativity around our owners? In my eyes and just speaking about facts I’ve witnessed the folllowing: Straight away he identified a clause in the Uwe deal stating we would not earn no money from the stadium apart from on match-day so basically it wouldn’t be our stadium so let’s look at clubs who don’t own their grounds.. coventry..? Leeds sold there stadium and struggled for a while in league 1 they have been trying to buy it back for years.. only achieved it last year. Look at them now.. flying First impression, great, identified a serious potential problem. And also he always said it was going to revolution not evolution.. The playing staff: Biggest budget we have had, I think that’s common knowledge.. Okay training ground has taken a little longer than expected, but he said he should be in their in July 2018, WHEN these guys actually give dates it gives me confidence.. because as we all know it’s like getting blood out of a stone! The stadium will happen.. these are top business people we will get there! Have faith or please tell me facts on why not too.. don’t come at me with rumours either just facts. The problem is you've just looked at facts. What you need to do is half remember a few things, make a lot if it up, regurgitate some terrace rumours and when you've done all that you'll understand. Is it a fact that we would earn no money from the stadium on non matchdays? I didn't know the stadium contract itself was in the public domain... |
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Post by LJG on Dec 14, 2018 9:36:48 GMT
The problem is you've just looked at facts. What you need to do is half remember a few things, make a lot if it up, regurgitate some terrace rumours and when you've done all that you'll understand. Is it a fact that we would earn no money from the stadium on non matchdays? I didn't know the stadium contract itself was in the public domain... Since when are you bothered by what is or isn't a fact? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 9:41:35 GMT
Is it a fact that we would earn no money from the stadium on non matchdays? I didn't know the stadium contract itself was in the public domain... Since when are you bothered by what is or isn't a fact? Is it in the public domain? Genuine question. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 14, 2018 9:45:24 GMT
Since when are you bothered by what is or isn't a fact? Is it in the public domain? Genuine question. Thing is, though, the anti-board people talk complete bollox about the negotiations with UWE, saying anything they like and taking the side of UWE (for some reason), but as soon as the possibility that Dwane were negotiating in the best interests of the club is presented, they demand proof. That's a bit weird, isn't it? |
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Post by singupgas on Dec 14, 2018 9:51:10 GMT
Is it a fact that we would earn no money from the stadium on non matchdays? I didn't know the stadium contract itself was in the public domain... Since when are you bothered by what is or isn't a fact? Fact is lord, we were told that plans were to be submitted for the training ground a long long time ago. Tell me what happened? I cant remember the board having decency to tell us why nothing has happened. They have made people question their integrity through their own actions, not talking themselves and sending out Hamer who has a habit of stumbling over all his words and not being the most convincing. They are just no longer trustworthy or respectable. |
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Post by singupgas on Dec 14, 2018 9:53:02 GMT
Is it in the public domain? Genuine question. Thing is, though, the anti-board people talk complete bollox about the negotiations with UWE, saying anything they like and taking the side of UWE (for some reason), but as soon as the possibility that Dwane were negotiating in the best interests of the club is presented, they demand proof. That's a bit weird, isn't it? Negotiations are done. Why couldn't Dwane publish a document highlighting the reasons for walking away and suddenly announcing the news at 11PM. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 9:55:01 GMT
Is it in the public domain? Genuine question. Thing is, though, the anti-board people talk complete bollox about the negotiations with UWE, saying anything they like and taking the side of UWE (for some reason), but as soon as the possibility that Dwane were negotiating in the best interests of the club is presented, they demand proof. That's a bit weird, isn't it? Well it's not because I don't recall the anti-board people actually talking about specifics of the deal. For example I have said nothing about the deal itself- I have always questioned whether they had the money or intent to build UWE because they had interest in purchasing Gillingham. The differences between us and Gillingham were quite stark, at the time so it isn't too much of a leap to conclude that they were not lured to Rovers by the idea of a property deal. The pro-boarders constantly bring up about how it was a bad deal - all I want to know is how does anyone know if it was a good or a bad deal? It seems they came up with this bad deal stuff to protect the current board from going down even further in everyone's estimation when uWE got canned. Well the cat's well and truly out of the bag now that the club is going nowhere, so where can we find the ins and outs of the UWE deal? |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 14, 2018 10:04:15 GMT
Thing is, though, the anti-board people talk complete bollox about the negotiations with UWE, saying anything they like and taking the side of UWE (for some reason), but as soon as the possibility that Dwane were negotiating in the best interests of the club is presented, they demand proof. That's a bit weird, isn't it? Negotiations are done. Why couldn't Dwane publish a document highlighting the reasons for walking away and suddenly announcing the news at 11PM. My guess would be that negotiations were dragging on interminably coz neither party would budge sufficiently but were still holding out hope they might, and they only decided to announce it when it leaked, instead of continuing to drag it out. That fits the facts just as well as 'the owners are evil and lying to us' and seems entirely reasonable, to me. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 14, 2018 10:10:53 GMT
Thing is, though, the anti-board people talk complete bollox about the negotiations with UWE, saying anything they like and taking the side of UWE (for some reason), but as soon as the possibility that Dwane were negotiating in the best interests of the club is presented, they demand proof. That's a bit weird, isn't it? Well it's not because I don't recall the anti-board people actually talking about specifics of the deal. For example I have said nothing about the deal itself- I have always questioned whether they had the money or intent to build UWE because they had interest in purchasing Gillingham. The differences between us and Gillingham were quite stark, at the time so it isn't too much of a leap to conclude that they were not lured to Rovers by the idea of a property deal. The pro-boarders constantly bring up about how it was a bad deal - all I want to know is how does anyone know if it was a good or a bad deal? It seems they came up with this bad deal stuff to protect the current board from going down even further in everyone's estimation when uWE got canned. Well the cat's well and truly out of the bag now that the club is going nowhere, so where can we find the ins and outs of the UWE deal? Gillingham is close to AJIB HQ, and they only mentioned they had a look at it, not that they were determined to get it, or something more emphatic. Dwane said it was a bad deal. If it was a good deal for the club, istm pretty reasonable that it would be a good deal for Dwane. I don't see where the value in turning down a good deal is. Istm either Dwane are acting in good faith and the UWE deal wasn't good for the club, or you have to make up some strange sort of situation where people are lying, acting in bad faith, have some sort of convoluted plan that doesn't make any sense. If you think that, fine, I guess. But it's weird to have a convoluted explanation that doesn't make sense without proof only to demand proof when anyone comes up with a simple, reasonable explanation that obeys Occam's Razor. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 10:23:16 GMT
Well it's not because I don't recall the anti-board people actually talking about specifics of the deal. For example I have said nothing about the deal itself- I have always questioned whether they had the money or intent to build UWE because they had interest in purchasing Gillingham. The differences between us and Gillingham were quite stark, at the time so it isn't too much of a leap to conclude that they were not lured to Rovers by the idea of a property deal. The pro-boarders constantly bring up about how it was a bad deal - all I want to know is how does anyone know if it was a good or a bad deal? It seems they came up with this bad deal stuff to protect the current board from going down even further in everyone's estimation when uWE got canned. Well the cat's well and truly out of the bag now that the club is going nowhere, so where can we find the ins and outs of the UWE deal? Gillingham is close to AJIB HQ, and they only mentioned they had a look at it, not that they were determined to get it, or something more emphatic. Dwane said it was a bad deal. If it was a good deal for the club, istm pretty reasonable that it would be a good deal for Dwane. I don't see where the value in turning down a good deal is. Istm either Dwane are acting in good faith and the UWE deal wasn't good for the club, or you have to make up some strange sort of situation where people are lying, acting in bad faith, have some sort of convoluted plan that doesn't make any sense. If you think that, fine, I guess. But it's weird to have a convoluted explanation that doesn't make sense without proof only to demand proof when anyone comes up with a simple, reasonable explanation that obeys Occam's Razor. They couldn't afford more than 2 million for a training ground which calls into question somewhat any attempt to fund a 30 million stadium. On the one hand it also surprises me that you believe Dwane sports after all that has transpired...but it does help your Occam's razor interpretation so in that sense I can totally understand why you would. |
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Dec 14, 2018 10:44:31 GMT
I would just like to know why there is so much negativity around our owners? In my eyes and just speaking about facts I’ve witnessed the folllowing: Straight away he identified a clause in the Uwe deal stating we would not earn no money from the stadium apart from on match-day so basically it wouldn’t be our stadium so let’s look at clubs who don’t own their grounds.. coventry..? Leeds sold there stadium and struggled for a while in league 1 they have been trying to buy it back for years.. only achieved it last year. Look at them now.. flying First impression, great, identified a serious potential problem. And also he always said it was going to revolution not evolution.. The playing staff: Biggest budget we have had, I think that’s common knowledge.. Okay training ground has taken a little longer than expected, but he said he should be in their in July 2018, WHEN these guys actually give dates it gives me confidence.. because as we all know it’s like getting blood out of a stone! The stadium will happen.. these are top business people we will get there! Have faith or please tell me facts on why not too.. don’t come at me with rumours either just facts. You want facts only replyed. No rumours? So what you have written is FACT? |
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