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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 14, 2018 20:21:37 GMT
The only negative is, he doesn’t gas up the fans or say everything out loud before it’s official.. give me someone like that any day! Wael speaks the truth when he speaks and sorry I meant July 2019. Facts are he’s done more for this club already than Higgs. A lot of you are fickle football fans who have zero accument. Question.. what would you do if he just went ahh f**k it, I’ll give them what they want and leave tomorrow... WE would be screwed.. See how many of you are cheering then When does Wael speak the truth? He never bleedin speaks..and when he does it’s nonsense. Like the radio Bristol interview. What exactly have the ALQs done for BRFC? A tent or 2, a set of handriers and an office in Chelsea? Brilliant. If they left tomorrow I would be delighted and happily fly them to Jordan myself.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 20:27:51 GMT
The only negative is, he doesn’t gas up the fans or say everything out loud before it’s official.. give me someone like that any day! Wael speaks the truth when he speaks and sorry I meant July 2019. Facts are he’s done more for this club already than Higgs. A lot of you are fickle football fans who have zero accument. Question.. what would you do if he just went ahh f**k it, I’ll give them what they want and leave tomorrow... WE would be screwed.. See how many of you are cheering then You talk crap you must be wael.
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Post by Cosmic Pasty on Dec 14, 2018 20:42:59 GMT
A family of Jordanian rich bankers buy football club but only one of them likes football and he’s the baby in the family and can’t do the things he wants. He might be the baby of the family but he's still a grown adult who had no reason not to be 'in the know' as to how the rest of his family think and operate. He likely had a good idea of where all this was going and just wanted to ride the highs in the meantime if he couldn't swing it round. For what it's worth, I really did believe in them when they took over the club (or at least saw no obvious reason not to). Like the rest of us, I wanted to believe in them. I've always did think that photo of Wael kissing the badge was creepy though - it reminded me of an old-style vampire staring at the audience with a smile as he sunk his teeth into his unsuspecting new bride before sucking the lifeblood from her. I probably should have listened to my instincts on that one, for all the good it would have done.
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Post by socrates on Dec 14, 2018 21:49:17 GMT
A family of Jordanian rich bankers buy football club but only one of them likes football and he’s the baby in the family and can’t do the things he wants. He might be the baby of the family but he's still a grown adult who had no reason not to be 'in the know' as to how the rest of his family think and operate. He likely had a good idea of where all this was going and just wanted to ride the highs in the meantime if he couldn't swing it round. For what it's worth, I really did believe in them when they took over the club (or at least saw no obvious reason not to). Like the rest of us, I wanted to believe in them. I've always did think that photo of Wael kissing the badge was creepy though - it reminded me of an old-style vampire staring at the audience with a smile as he sunk his teeth into his unsuspecting new bride before sucking the lifeblood from her. I probably should have listened to my instincts on that one, for all the good it would have done. And that fellow posters is why you shouldn’t take drugs 🤔. I agree actually with you to a point. The thing I’m uncertain on is whether Wael thought and was told that his family were going to back him up financially and was mis- led / perhaps fell out with them. Never told they would and he got carried away without checking and got carried away with the moment . Or Just plain stupid. I don’t think he’s stupid so he either got caught up in the moment and said things would happen that haven’t happened yet - still could yet , or ( and I think this is most likely ) his family agreed to buy the club but their hearts were never really in to it and Wael has probably fallen out with them to some extent over it but can hardly go to press about how watered off he is that they’re not doing the things he’d hoped or agreed they would. At the end of the day even though he loves football and has clearly found a club he likes he’s not going to alienate himself from his family and family business by going on radio Bristol or the official website and saying I wanted this I wanted that but my family don’t they said they’d support me in it but we’ve fallen out over it and I’m watered off. Is he now. We m not in the know but I’m a good judge of character and Wael wanted good things for this club and probably still does. Not saying it’s going to happen but I honestly believe that when he chose Rovers it was because he wanted to make a go of it on the football side , the training ground and the stadium. I reckon he’s had many sleepless nights over the whole thing, which doesn’t make it any easier for us I’m just saying in my opinion the blokes definitely not pioison as some on here have said.
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Post by Cosmic Pasty on Dec 14, 2018 22:07:57 GMT
I've never said he was poison. And it was only Night Nurse
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Post by socrates on Dec 14, 2018 22:13:27 GMT
I've never said he was poison. And it was only Night Nurse Night nurse is banging sh** no wonder your hallucinating vampires !
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Post by c4h10 on Dec 14, 2018 22:18:05 GMT
The only negative is, he doesn’t gas up the fans or say everything out loud before it’s official.. give me someone like that any day! Wael speaks the truth when he speaks and sorry I meant July 2019. Facts are he’s done more for this club already than Higgs. A lot of you are fickle football fans who have zero accument.Question.. what would you do if he just went ahh f**k it, I’ll give them what they want and leave tomorrow... WE would be screwed.. See how many of you are cheering then How much "accument" would you award to yourself for trying to use big words without even bothering to check the spelling. Less than zero acumen there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 23:00:31 GMT
He might be the baby of the family but he's still a grown adult who had no reason not to be 'in the know' as to how the rest of his family think and operate. He likely had a good idea of where all this was going and just wanted to ride the highs in the meantime if he couldn't swing it round. For what it's worth, I really did believe in them when they took over the club (or at least saw no obvious reason not to). Like the rest of us, I wanted to believe in them. I've always did think that photo of Wael kissing the badge was creepy though - it reminded me of an old-style vampire staring at the audience with a smile as he sunk his teeth into his unsuspecting new bride before sucking the lifeblood from her. I probably should have listened to my instincts on that one, for all the good it would have done. And that fellow posters is why you shouldn’t take drugs 🤔. I agree actually with you to a point. The thing I’m uncertain on is whether Wael thought and was told that his family were going to back him up financially and was mis- led / perhaps fell out with them. Never told they would and he got carried away without checking and got carried away with the moment . Or Just plain stupid. I don’t think he’s stupid so he either got caught up in the moment and said things would happen that haven’t happened yet - still could yet , or ( and I think this is most likely ) his family agreed to buy the club but their hearts were never really in to it and Wael has probably fallen out with them to some extent over it but can hardly go to press about how watered off he is that they’re not doing the things he’d hoped or agreed they would. At the end of the day even though he loves football and has clearly found a club he likes he’s not going to alienate himself from his family and family business by going on radio Bristol or the official website and saying I wanted this I wanted that but my family don’t they said they’d support me in it but we’ve fallen out over it and I’m watered off. Is he now. We m not in the know but I’m a good judge of character and Wael wanted good things for this club and probably still does. Not saying it’s going to happen but I honestly believe that when he chose Rovers it was because he wanted to make a go of it on the football side , the training ground and the stadium. I reckon he’s had many sleepless nights over the whole thing, which doesn’t make it any easier for us I’m just saying in my opinion the blokes definitely not pioison as some on here have said. I like to think I've had this lot sussed for a long while but, having said that, I still can't make my mind up as to the degree that Wael is culpable for the current shambles we find ourselves in. I agree that poison is way OTT...but...I don't like the phrase 'lie by omission' so I will not use it in this context, so to put it another way I think he was very economical with the truth and knew a lot more about the reality of the situation than he was obviously going to let on during the takeover. I agree wholehreatedly with Cosmic Pasty. Wael strikes me as the kind of guy who lets situations control him and he found himself as the publiv face of his family's takeover and whilst he could have said that there was little funding to achieve anything substantial he kept quiet and hoped that maybe a magic money tree might grow and it will all turn out okay. The situation has since snowballed and Wael's response has been to shun the media because when the tough questions start being asked his media personality is, frankly, awful. I think another poster a while back (forget who) came up with, on the balance of what we see and hear, the modt likeliest theory. I've spoken often how unconvinced I was that they were serious about building UWE and this other poster suggested that perhaps they wanted to takeover a cheap club and run it on a small but sustainable footing using the development squad mainly and so avoiding the cost of transfers etc. We really do seem to be moving in that direction on the playing side, budgets cut and now DC has gone it seems like they are lining up the defensive coach to be the full time manager(!) This sort of twee idea of low budgets and reliance on youth is nice for a club like Accrington but our fanbase means this club has got more potential than being held back by a president who wants to run a kitchen table scale hobby. We deserve a far more ambitious owner who can take us up to the Championship and overhaul the infrastructure. Such a person would have to be mad to get involved in the fist place but...if such a person exists they will then face a fight to pay the asking price I daresay becaise I don't think Dwane are going to go withiut at least breaking even if not making a profit off their interest.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 14, 2018 23:13:33 GMT
I think your missing the point that DC went because he had a year of poor results, it was nothing to do with budgets being cut, if the ALQ's really wanted to cut the budget then why has DC admitted that this season he was given a decent mid table budget. As far as next season just because DC says it's being cut doesn't mean it will be when the ALQ's so far seem to be content to hit the 60% SCMP limit each season.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 23:52:44 GMT
And that fellow posters is why you shouldn’t take drugs 🤔. I agree actually with you to a point. The thing I’m uncertain on is whether Wael thought and was told that his family were going to back him up financially and was mis- led / perhaps fell out with them. Never told they would and he got carried away without checking and got carried away with the moment . Or Just plain stupid. I don’t think he’s stupid so he either got caught up in the moment and said things would happen that haven’t happened yet - still could yet , or ( and I think this is most likely ) his family agreed to buy the club but their hearts were never really in to it and Wael has probably fallen out with them to some extent over it but can hardly go to press about how watered off he is that they’re not doing the things he’d hoped or agreed they would. At the end of the day even though he loves football and has clearly found a club he likes he’s not going to alienate himself from his family and family business by going on radio Bristol or the official website and saying I wanted this I wanted that but my family don’t they said they’d support me in it but we’ve fallen out over it and I’m watered off. Is he now. We m not in the know but I’m a good judge of character and Wael wanted good things for this club and probably still does. Not saying it’s going to happen but I honestly believe that when he chose Rovers it was because he wanted to make a go of it on the football side , the training ground and the stadium. I reckon he’s had many sleepless nights over the whole thing, which doesn’t make it any easier for us I’m just saying in my opinion the blokes definitely not pioison as some on here have said. I like to think I've had this lot sussed for a long while but, having said that, I still can't make my mind up as to the degree that Wael is culpable for the current shambles we find ourselves in. I agree that poison is way OTT...but...I don't like the phrase 'lie by omission' so I will not use it in this context, so to put it another way I think he was very economical with the truth and knew a lot more about the reality of the situation than he was obviously going to let on during the takeover. I agree wholehreatedly with Cosmic Pasty. Wael strikes me as the kind of guy who lets situations control him and he found himself as the publiv face of his family's takeover and whilst he could have said that there was little funding to achieve anything substantial he kept quiet and hoped that maybe a magic money tree might grow and it will all turn out okay. The situation has since snowballed and Wael's response has been to shun the media because when the tough questions start being asked his media personality is, frankly, awful. I think another poster a while back (forget who) came up with, on the balance of what we see and hear, the modt likeliest theory. I've spoken often how unconvinced I was that they were serious about building UWE and this other poster suggested that perhaps they wanted to takeover a cheap club and run it on a small but sustainable footing using the development squad mainly and so avoiding the cost of transfers etc. We really do seem to be moving in that direction on the playing side, budgets cut and now DC has gone it seems like they are lining up the defensive coach to be the full time manager(!) This sort of twee idea of low budgets and reliance on youth is nice for a club like Accrington but our fanbase means this club has got more potential than being held back by a president who wants to run a kitchen table scale hobby. We deserve a far more ambitious owner who can take us up to the Championship and overhaul the infrastructure. Such a person would have to be mad to get involved in the fist place but...if such a person exists they will then face a fight to pay the asking price I daresay becaise I don't think Dwane are going to go withiut at least breaking even if not making a profit off their interest. Development Squad costs 300k a year. London Office costs 250k a year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 0:15:51 GMT
I like to think I've had this lot sussed for a long while but, having said that, I still can't make my mind up as to the degree that Wael is culpable for the current shambles we find ourselves in. I agree that poison is way OTT...but...I don't like the phrase 'lie by omission' so I will not use it in this context, so to put it another way I think he was very economical with the truth and knew a lot more about the reality of the situation than he was obviously going to let on during the takeover. I agree wholehreatedly with Cosmic Pasty. Wael strikes me as the kind of guy who lets situations control him and he found himself as the publiv face of his family's takeover and whilst he could have said that there was little funding to achieve anything substantial he kept quiet and hoped that maybe a magic money tree might grow and it will all turn out okay. The situation has since snowballed and Wael's response has been to shun the media because when the tough questions start being asked his media personality is, frankly, awful. I think another poster a while back (forget who) came up with, on the balance of what we see and hear, the modt likeliest theory. I've spoken often how unconvinced I was that they were serious about building UWE and this other poster suggested that perhaps they wanted to takeover a cheap club and run it on a small but sustainable footing using the development squad mainly and so avoiding the cost of transfers etc. We really do seem to be moving in that direction on the playing side, budgets cut and now DC has gone it seems like they are lining up the defensive coach to be the full time manager(!) This sort of twee idea of low budgets and reliance on youth is nice for a club like Accrington but our fanbase means this club has got more potential than being held back by a president who wants to run a kitchen table scale hobby. We deserve a far more ambitious owner who can take us up to the Championship and overhaul the infrastructure. Such a person would have to be mad to get involved in the fist place but...if such a person exists they will then face a fight to pay the asking price I daresay becaise I don't think Dwane are going to go withiut at least breaking even if not making a profit off their interest. Development Squad costs 300k a year. London Office costs 250k a year. I think the office will eventually be released by mutual consent the same as the grotto was, or there will be other forms of cuts to avoid the office going - can they afford to keep racking up debt in the way they are? It all comes back to the training ground - if they can't afford to get that off the ground how much have they allocated to the club itself to keep servicing the debt, the equity in the stadium is being chipped away at as is their chance of making profit out of this whole sorry venture.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 0:19:02 GMT
I think your missing the point that DC went because he had a year of poor results, it was nothing to do with budgets being cut, if the ALQ's really wanted to cut the budget then why has DC admitted that this season he was given a decent mid table budget. As far as next season just because DC says it's being cut doesn't mean it will be when the ALQ's so far seem to be content to hit the 60% SCMP limit each season. We'll see, we'll be able to tell a lot from the next managerial appointment- will they spend a bit of bunce and get someone like Hirst in? Or will it be a cheap as chips appointment like Hargreaves or Coughlan? I can't imagine they will hire Coughlan then give him a 700k+ war chest to refit the side in January. More like a box of tracksuits to barter semi-pro sides with.
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Post by Fat Albert on Dec 15, 2018 6:47:54 GMT
He might be the baby of the family but he's still a grown adult who had no reason not to be 'in the know' as to how the rest of his family think and operate. He likely had a good idea of where all this was going and just wanted to ride the highs in the meantime if he couldn't swing it round. For what it's worth, I really did believe in them when they took over the club (or at least saw no obvious reason not to). Like the rest of us, I wanted to believe in them. I've always did think that photo of Wael kissing the badge was creepy though - it reminded me of an old-style vampire staring at the audience with a smile as he sunk his teeth into his unsuspecting new bride before sucking the lifeblood from her. I probably should have listened to my instincts on that one, for all the good it would have done. And that fellow posters is why you shouldn’t take drugs 🤔. I agree actually with you to a point. The thing I’m uncertain on is whether Wael thought and was told that his family were going to back him up financially and was mis- led / perhaps fell out with them. Never told they would and he got carried away without checking and got carried away with the moment . Or Just plain stupid. I don’t think he’s stupid so he either got caught up in the moment and said things would happen that haven’t happened yet - still could yet , or ( and I think this is most likely ) his family agreed to buy the club but their hearts were never really in to it and Wael has probably fallen out with them to some extent over it but can hardly go to press about how watered off he is that they’re not doing the things he’d hoped or agreed they would. At the end of the day even though he loves football and has clearly found a club he likes he’s not going to alienate himself from his family and family business by going on radio Bristol or the official website and saying I wanted this I wanted that but my family don’t they said they’d support me in it but we’ve fallen out over it and I’m watered off. Is he now. We m not in the know but I’m a good judge of character and Wael wanted good things for this club and probably still does. Not saying it’s going to happen but I honestly believe that when he chose Rovers it was because he wanted to make a go of it on the football side , the training ground and the stadium. I reckon he’s had many sleepless nights over the whole thing, which doesn’t make it any easier for us I’m just saying in my opinion the blokes definitely not pioison as some on here have said. I’d say that’s pretty accurate. Wael came in with the best intentions (probably still has) but perhaps things weren’t quite as they seemed once they scratched the surface. One things for sure if the UWE deal was not already in the public eye, would there be this sort of reaction against the family? I very much doubt it. I’m sure the biggest lesson they’ve learnt is not to say anything until it’s concrete, because football fans will never let you forget it- especially ones who have been starved of a decent home for well, basically ever! As for DC we all loved what he’s done for the club and I would have kept him regardless but, compared to any other football club he would have been sacked before now. We have been pretty dire for a year now and he had enough money to put together a half decent side. For lots of reasons it’s just run it’s course. Sad day but all good things and all that. I’d rather he went now instead of the crowd turning on him (which definitely would have happened). I wish it was different but that’s football. UTG
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Post by lpgas on Dec 15, 2018 13:23:20 GMT
The UWE deal failed for 5 reasons 1. The club wanted to buy the land and another small piece of land for a retail outlet and hotel. UWE said No. 2. The Nick Higgs deal gave away a percentage of our income streams to UWE, namely car park, and food / drink outlets. 3. UWE were allowed to use some of the facilities , such as gym, jogging track, for free. 4. UWE insisted Rovers included a creche in the ground. 5. UWE wanted to call the ground The UWE Community Stadium.
All of which would have cost Rovers money of future income
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Post by lpgas on Dec 15, 2018 13:25:10 GMT
I believe Wael is some kind of deluded eccentric with a bit of family money who thinks he’s pals with John Terry. Starnes, Hamer, Gorringe et al are like cowboy builders “Hmm, that boiler needs replacing immediately Mr Wael, it’ll cost you 20 grand or 15 for cash”. They just have to keep spouting the same sh&te without saying anything and they can keep earning their salaries while delivering nothing. DC has called them out. DC said he had a bottom six budget, then magically changed it to a mid table budget. DC Called himself out
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Post by lpgas on Dec 15, 2018 13:27:10 GMT
The only negative is, he doesn’t gas up the fans or say everything out loud before it’s official.. give me someone like that any day! Wael speaks the truth when he speaks and sorry I meant July 2019. Facts are he’s done more for this club already than Higgs. A lot of you are fickle football fans who have zero accument. Question.. what would you do if he just went ahh f**k it, I’ll give them what they want and leave tomorrow... WE would be screwed.. See how many of you are cheering then When does Wael speak the truth? He never bleedin speaks..and when he does it’s nonsense. Like the radio Bristol interview. What exactly have the ALQs done for BRFC? A tent or 2, a set of handriers and an office in Chelsea? Brilliant. If they left tomorrow I would be delighted and happily fly them to Jordan myself. Firstly are you a pilot? Secondly who fills the void and pays for the £1.5 million we are currently losing?
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Post by peterhooper57 on Dec 15, 2018 13:56:21 GMT
Fact, Wael danced-down Gloucester Road when the Club was promoted, now when the club is back on its ****, he is now where to be seen. In between Wael promised promised DC and the Supporters a new training ground and a new ground and has delivered **** all. There is not one Gashead, with any Bristol pedigree, running the club. That is why I am negative about our custodian, the club will always belong to supporters. Utg
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