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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 31, 2018 19:21:08 GMT
I think we should hold a thorough recruitment campaign and interview as many suitable candidates as possible, if GC comes out on top fair doos. For me the next appointment had to be right and not just based on a bounce. I have zero faith in Widdrington Widdington's summer recruits were Bonham, THD, Upson, Rodman, Jakubaik & Reilly all players who've played a big part in our 3 consecutive wins, with only Payne looking a poor signing at present, with Martin only ever a stop gap. Matthew's time may well still come.
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Post by piratesfchhh on Dec 31, 2018 19:51:33 GMT
From OTIB so take it as you will..
Graham Coughlan went into the dressing room before taking his first training session, pointed at each and every player and shouted "you, you, you, you......... you, you, and you got him the sack, you should all be ashamed of yourselves"
Fair play to the bloke.
True story
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 19:59:22 GMT
From OTIB so take it as you will.. Graham Coughlan went into the dressing room before taking his first training session, pointed at each and every player and shouted "you, you, you, you......... you, you, and you got him the sack, you should all be ashamed of yourselves" Fair play to the bloke. True story Ha. Who were the unlucky 7 then...
1. Nichols 2. Payne 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
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Post by socrates on Dec 31, 2018 20:55:59 GMT
I don’t mean this disrespectfully and I appreciate im in the minority but there is no chance i would appoint GC permanently. Hes a brilliant chest thumping motivator who has got a great reaction out of this side. Appointing him would unless we are incredibly lucky just kick the long term replacement can down the road. He doesnt by his own admission have any experience and what does he know about recruitment? For me hes bought us time to ensure we make the right long term choice be that in a week month or towards the end of the season Do you know who his contacts are ? Genuine question ? Has he none ? Is one his closest friends one of the top scouts in the game ? What do you know about Graham couglan and his contacts and options for recruitment? Any ideas on any of these questions ?
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Post by spiess1 on Dec 31, 2018 20:59:58 GMT
One wonders how many of those who ''don't want'' GC now ''didn't want'' DC back then. One wonders how many of those who ''don't want'' GC now had even heard of him until recently.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 1, 2019 0:20:00 GMT
Given the impact GC has had I can't now imagine the owners paying compensation for someone already under contract elsewhere (e.g. Flynn).
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Post by hargravegas on Jan 1, 2019 0:36:21 GMT
He spoke to Mick McCarthy last week, he’s worked with Sturrock & Phil Brown, I say give him the job until the end of the season, he has enough contacts to get us through to then & that also gives time to reveal his broader capabilities. UTG
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Post by socrates on Jan 1, 2019 1:26:54 GMT
He spoke to Mick McCarthy last week, he’s worked with Sturrock & Phil Brown, I say give him the job until the end of the season, he has enough contacts to get us through to then & that also gives time to reveal his broader capabilities. UTG Yeah give him until the end of the season and we’ve had enough back room staff looking at players over the last 6 months to give Cogs a list of who they recommend. He will also have players in mind who aren’t on that list but who he feels would be a good signing which counts for more I reckon than anything anyone else thinks because he knows our squad and what’s needed and what’s not needed better than probably anyone left at the club, he’s been in the game all his life and has played with and coached hundreds of players , this idea that he’s inexperienced is narrow minded in my view.
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Post by pirate on Jan 1, 2019 7:36:24 GMT
Good point, but to counter it I would say that Hargreaves is an experienced coach also, has done very well with our U23’s and Lee Mansell has also been doing good things with the U18s. He’s also a former captain of the squad and you can bet his man-management will be up there with DCs given how he led on the pitch. I still like pirates idea of getting Ben Garner involved too. Garner would still be my number one choice as manager, with Cogs as assistant. I don't think Garner would join us in any other role but manager.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 1, 2019 8:57:09 GMT
Good point, but to counter it I would say that Hargreaves is an experienced coach also, has done very well with our U23’s and Lee Mansell has also been doing good things with the U18s. He’s also a former captain of the squad and you can bet his man-management will be up there with DCs given how he led on the pitch. I still like pirates idea of getting Ben Garner involved too. Garner would still be my number one choice as manager, with Cogs as assistant. I don't think Garner would join us in any other role but manager. Has he even applied?
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Post by socrates on Jan 1, 2019 10:36:10 GMT
Good point, but to counter it I would say that Hargreaves is an experienced coach also, has done very well with our U23’s and Lee Mansell has also been doing good things with the U18s. He’s also a former captain of the squad and you can bet his man-management will be up there with DCs given how he led on the pitch. I still like pirates idea of getting Ben Garner involved too. Garner would still be my number one choice as manager, with Cogs as assistant. I don't think Garner would join us in any other role but manager. What’s the connection between those two ? Not arguing just genuinely interested to know ? I’m a bit concerned the board might do something like this without thinking about the personality traits of these people and enough thought whether they would match. They are people after all not just managers and coaches. Surely the manager chooses who his assistant is. Anyway I hope Cogs gets it until the end of the season.
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 1, 2019 11:21:04 GMT
Yes, can’t disagree with any of that. Lee M mentioned and Chris H, also an important part of the team. I wonder if GC and CH were to be confirmed until season’s end if Lee M would step into CHs position in the development squad. Perhaps this is one of the advantages and part of DCs legacy of having a good team around him. When things were going well istr CH being mentioned as a good shout if DC were to be poached by anyone. UTG! All this talk of Lee Mansell is quite disrespectful to Tom Parinello who is actually in charge of the U18’s with LM under him Certainly not meant to be. My point, can’t speak for others mentioning him, was that he is a successful player and captain from recent times who has the respect of the players for what he’s done and has a good understanding of league football with his experienceand two promotions on his CV. And I was looking at him to replace CH in the development squad were CH to step up with GC. A combination of GC and CH would be better imo. Having a third, LM, might be a bit top heavy. Sorry it took a bit of time to respond but have been on a plane for 26 hours! Please be assured no disrespect was intended. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 1, 2019 11:29:53 GMT
I don’t mean this disrespectfully and I appreciate im in the minority but there is no chance i would appoint GC permanently. Hes a brilliant chest thumping motivator who has got a great reaction out of this side. Appointing him would unless we are incredibly lucky just kick the long term replacement can down the road. He doesnt by his own admission have any experience and what does he know about recruitment? For me hes bought us time to ensure we make the right long term choice be that in a week month or towards the end of the season Do you know who his contacts are ? Genuine question ? Has he none ? Is one his closest friends one of the top scouts in the game ? What do you know about Graham couglan and his contacts and options for recruitment? Any ideas on any of these questions ? He’s been around coaching in leagues 1 and 2 for the past 10 years so I guess he would have built up a diary of contacts, although as a coach not as a manager. And in the end those who want him will see that experience is something to be gained and he would do a good job with his other attributes. Those who don’t want him will point to his lack of experience and use it as a reason not to give it to him. From Rovers recent history Dave Penny had a great experience but it did him no favours going into that changing room in 2010 in similar circumstances to where we found/find ourselves now. Being boring now as I’ve said it several times, but whoever the owners appoint come with no guarantees and they could go a*** over *** whoever they are. In the end they have to make a decision and I think they’ll give GC/CH until the end of the season and all being well re-evaluate in the last few weeks of the season after seeing where we are at that point. UTG!
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Post by socrates on Jan 1, 2019 11:31:23 GMT
Do you know who his contacts are ? Genuine question ? Has he none ? Is one his closest friends one of the top scouts in the game ? What do you know about Graham couglan and his contacts and options for recruitment? Any ideas on any of these questions ? He’s been around coaching in leagues 1 and 2 for the past 10 years so I guess he would have built up a diary of contacts, although as a coach not as a manager. And in the end those who want him will see that experience is something to be gained and he would do a good job with his other attributes. Those who don’t want him will point to his lack of experience and use it as a reason not to give it to him. From Rovers recent history Dave Penny had a great experience but it did him no favours going into that changing room in 2010 in similar circumstances to where we found/find ourselves now. Being boring now as I’ve said it several times, but whoever the owners appoint come with no guarantees and they could go a*** over *** whoever they are. In the end they have to make a decision and I think they’ll give GC/CH until the end of the season and all being well re-evaluate in the last few weeks of the season after seeing where we are at that point. UTG! Hope so
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Post by walcotgas on Jan 1, 2019 12:01:48 GMT
I guess the dilemma for the Board is that regardless of how well he's done so far Coughlan is a rookie manger with a track record of only 4 games. In reality he probably needs to be in charge for a run of 12 -15 games before he can be properly assessed. But of course there isn't time for that and really they need to appoint somebody within the next week to give whoever it is a chance in the transfer window. Of course whoever is appointed will be a gamble but at least with an experienced manager they should have had a period of sustained success at some stage which enables the board to make an informed decision. With Coughlan the gamble is bigger because he's being judged on only 4 or 5 games. I know this sounds like I'm being anti Coughlan and I'll get battered for it because at the moment everybody's euphoric after 3 wins on the bounce and I've enjoyed the turn around as much as the next Gashead but it does comeback to whether the Board put their faith in a rookie manager to maintain league 1 status. We really need to see how Coughlan copes under pressure; being the caretaker he came in with zero expectation on his head which is quite an advantage. We could lose the next 2 games and be back in the bottom 4 again and then how will people feel? It's a really tough decision for the board and not the 'no brainer'that some people think it is. People will say I'm being pessimistic and putting a dampner on the upbeat mood but we can't afford to get carried away on the back of 3 wins. The trouble is a lot of football fans are fickle and reactive and make snap judgements,the Rovers owners/board have to make a considered decision on the who the next manager is.
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Post by markczgas on Jan 1, 2019 12:04:53 GMT
I think we should hold a thorough recruitment campaign and interview as many suitable candidates as possible, if GC comes out on top fair doos. For me the next appointment had to be right and not just based on a bounce. I have zero faith in Widdrington Widdington's summer recruits were Bonham, THD, Upson, Rodman, Jakubaik & Reilly all players who've played a big part in our 3 consecutive wins, with only Payne looking a poor signing at present, with Martin only ever a stop gap. Matthew's time may well still come. Martin now gone ?? only here to Jan I believe. What has Bennett done to not even get in the 18 ? Get the feeling him and Payne threw their toys out when they knew the bench was all they'd get for starters !
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 1, 2019 12:13:45 GMT
I guess the dilemma for the Board is that regardless of how well he's done so far Coughlan is a rookie manger with a track record of only 4 games. In reality he probably needs to be in charge for a run of 12 -15 games before he can be properly assessed. But of course there isn't time for that and really they need to appoint somebody within the next week to give whoever it is a chance in the transfer window. Of course whoever is appointed will be a gamble but at least with an experienced manager they should have had a period of sustained success at some stage which enables the board to make an informed decision. With Coughlan the gamble is bigger because he's being judged on only 4 or 5 games. I know this sounds like I'm being anti Coughlan and I'll get battered for it because at the moment everybody's euphoric after 3 wins on the bounce and I've enjoyed the turn around as much as the next Gashead but it does comeback to whether the Board put their faith in a rookie manager to maintain league 1 status. We really need to see how Coughlan copes under pressure; being the caretaker he came in with zero expectation on his head which is quite an advantage. We could lose the next 2 games and be back in the bottom 4 again and then how will people feel? It's a really tough decision for the board and not the 'no brainer'that some people think it is. People will say I'm being pessimistic and putting a dampner on the upbeat mood but we can't afford to get carried away on the back of 3 wins. The trouble is a lot of football fans are fickle and reactive and make snap judgements,the Rovers owners/board have to make a considered decision on the who the next manager is. Well, it's not just about 3 wins on the bounce, is it? We are able to make judgements based on how well, and how the team is playing. How the players now interview, how GC and CH interview, how they interact with the fans, the general vibe around the place. I would suggest that his success, especially if we win today, makes not choosing him an even bigger risk. There's one thing more common in football than the new manager bounce when the old manager was unpopular/failing, and that's the new manager dip when the old manager was successful/popular.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 1, 2019 12:19:49 GMT
Martin now gone ?? only here to Jan I believe. Even more important that THD stays fit. I can't help worrying that after over-protecting him for half a season, we're now so desperate that we're over-playing him.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 1, 2019 12:27:04 GMT
i know many love Tom Lockyer but if we had a 2m bid for him early in the window I would cash in if they were going to reinvest in the team,could get 4 good players for that No way Locks is worth £2m. Commenting on the potential set up, a lot depends on whether we promote CH into the first team role or leave him with the U23s. If CH stays with the U23 we have a vacancy for an assistant manager too. If that was the case I would offer it to Ben Garner. He is worth it if someone is willing to pay it. Is Chaplin worth 500k? was Marc Mcnulty worth 1.5million? Luton will be looking at over 1 million for Jack Stacey British players are overpriced these days so you have to squeeze as much out of it as you can. A 24 yr old international who is scoring goals shouldnt be sold cheap.
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Post by markczgas on Jan 1, 2019 12:53:57 GMT
No way Locks is worth £2m. Commenting on the potential set up, a lot depends on whether we promote CH into the first team role or leave him with the U23s. If CH stays with the U23 we have a vacancy for an assistant manager too. If that was the case I would offer it to Ben Garner. He is worth it if someone is willing to pay it. Is Chaplin worth 500k? was Marc Mcnulty worth 1.5million? Luton will be looking at over 1 million for Jack Stacey British players are overpriced these days so you have to squeeze as much out of it as you can. A 24 yr old international who is scoring goals shouldnt be sold cheap. Locks is a very solid, whole-hearted player but for me there's three big things that will detract Championship clubs from signing him : his passing is erratic, his heading is poor and he's not blessed with pace. If he improves the first two maybe he'll going a season or two.
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