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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 23, 2019 7:31:11 GMT
The constant reference to camels and fake sheikhs is not needed to make the same point though is it? You may not like the wording Hugo, but c'mon, there was nothing racist there. Let's not throw common sense out of the window. I didn't say it was.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 23, 2019 7:31:17 GMT
I am still in the camp that I want them gone. I personally feel that the club is being held to ransom by the Al Qadis. Wael obviously doesn't want to upset his family otherwise he'd say it's not him that is holding the club back. But the family now have walked out on our best chance of owning a ground and not far off of seeing us relegated to league 2. They are clearly reducing cost now, there will players contracts up at the end of the season anyway and we will no doubt before the end of Jan let another 1 or 2 leave and bring some 18 year old loanee in. Hamer another one going maybe. I am not sure the London office, does Wael not have Wi-Fi in his house to do any work another unnecessary cost. I feel massively let down and disconnected from the club more so if I'm honest than our season when we were relegated from League 2. I can't evem bring myself to go watch on Saturday due to the fact we have a club that seems to be going absolutely nowhere apart from backwards. You want them gone? Who is going to replace them? Who is going to pump the money in to keep the club going? You realise we are not making money so whatever the losses are, its being covered by them out of their own pocket...what i find most amusing is that so many of us seem to have forgotten where we were a few years ago pre these guys...were the Higgs years are glory days? Weren't we on the verge of going into administration under Higgs? Did he deliver a stadium? Or did he leave us with a potential deal with UWE that would have seen us paying rent for our ground for the next 99 years and never actually owning it! Sorry mate - this was the best chance for us to be tenants for the next 99 years - we would never have owned the ground. I also heard that a significant amount of matchday revenues would go to UWE, plus there was no agreement on naming rights...Higgs stadium deal sounds like it was a rather poor one...not to mention we ended up wasting a ton of cash on a court case with sainsburys!? And can't remember there being massive interest at the time from other potential owners who wanted to buy the club and do a better job...ultimately, if it wasn't for the qadis we may not even exist today! While I am not thrilled that these guys seem to be the only Arabs who don't like to throw their money about, leaving us without an unlimited budget, no stadium and no training ground - I am rather thankful that we at least exist! Plus - judging by how they are with their money, good chance we are in a far better place financially than we were under Higgs and that the chances of us being in administration again are long gone! As for going backwards...was i in a coma when we were in the Premier League, competing for trophies and ruling Europe? Some of you make it sound like we were a hugely successful team before these owners came along...our recent history doesn't back that up....before they came along we were broke, going into administration, no stadium , no training ground, the Mem was falling apart, and we were in league 2 having recently escaped the conference...if you look back over the last few decades, bit hard to say we are going backwards....we have spent the majority of the last few decades in L2...in fact, in the last 2 years we have been the highest we have been since we were in the old 2nd division! How the F are we going backwards!!? And while we don't have a new stadium, there have been lots of improvements across the entire club...the new shop, the do up of the bars, ticketing etc etc - AND - DC's biggest transfer budget ever. Plus, the fact they coughed up over a £1 million for that piece of land for a training ground shows they at least are thinking about building a training ground...remind me - where was the piece of land Higgs bought to build us a proper training ground? And if what the club says is to believed, then we are still looking for another site to build a stadium - anyone got a plot of land for sale to get this moving? I think the disappointment is our own making. We saw Arabs. We labelled them billionaires (because all Arabs are obviously). And expected a Man City experience where by now we are already in the pl, have a state of the art stadium and are lining up Neymar to replace Nichols! While the line irritates the life out of me, perhaps we should have taken the 'evolution' bit a bit more seriously. All that said - if we get relegated....i may changed my mind. Quality Post sir, sums up our situation very well
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 9:57:31 GMT
What will all the haters and the negative agenda gang say when the owners simply carry on running the club after the debt exceeds the value of the mem? Or better still the debt is reduced and never exceeds its value? For me the motivation of the haters with an agenda is more suspicious than the doubts about the motivation of the owners. I'll happily admit I have an agenda, I can't believe the club had the rotten luck to be passed on from one motley crew of fools to another except at least the last lot gave us the hope of a stadium which this lot has now completely dashed. You sound like you are perfectly content with mediocrity- good for you. I point to our 9,000+ crowds and say that there is no way this club should be slipping back to league two with a whimper, unable to make one signing with less than 10 days of a window to go. At this point I just wish the club was publicly declared up for sale so we can see if anyone else has the means our owners lack...however you would have to be off your tits to pay them their 12 million back let alone the full 15 million value of the Mem.
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Post by womble on Jan 23, 2019 18:14:36 GMT
What will all the haters and the negative agenda gang say when the owners simply carry on running the club after the debt exceeds the value of the mem? Or better still the debt is reduced and never exceeds its value? For me the motivation of the haters with an agenda is more suspicious than the doubts about the motivation of the owners. I'll happily admit I have an agenda, I can't believe the club had the rotten luck to be passed on from one motley crew of fools to another except at least the last lot gave us the hope of a stadium which this lot has now completely dashed. You sound like you are perfectly content with mediocrity- good for you. I point to our 9,000+ crowds and say that there is no way this club should be slipping back to league two with a whimper, unable to make one signing with less than 10 days of a window to go. At this point I just wish the club was publicly declared up for sale so we can see if anyone else has the means our owners lack...however you would have to be off your tits to pay them their 12 million back let alone the full 15 million value of the Mem. We should bear in mind that the Mem is only worth £15m as a housing site (which it doesn’t presently have planning permission for). As a football stadium it is worth far less. Not that there seems to be a queue of people ready to make us worry about how much we’re worth.
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Post by tomylil on Jan 25, 2019 14:25:17 GMT
You want them gone? Who is going to replace them? Who is going to pump the money in to keep the club going? You realise we are not making money so whatever the losses are, its being covered by them out of their own pocket...what i find most amusing is that so many of us seem to have forgotten where we were a few years ago pre these guys...were the Higgs years are glory days? Weren't we on the verge of going into administration under Higgs? Did he deliver a stadium? Or did he leave us with a potential deal with UWE that would have seen us paying rent for our ground for the next 99 years and never actually owning it! Sorry mate - this was the best chance for us to be tenants for the next 99 years - we would never have owned the ground. I also heard that a significant amount of matchday revenues would go to UWE, plus there was no agreement on naming rights...Higgs stadium deal sounds like it was a rather poor one...not to mention we ended up wasting a ton of cash on a court case with sainsburys!? And can't remember there being massive interest at the time from other potential owners who wanted to buy the club and do a better job...ultimately, if it wasn't for the qadis we may not even exist today! While I am not thrilled that these guys seem to be the only Arabs who don't like to throw their money about, leaving us without an unlimited budget, no stadium and no training ground - I am rather thankful that we at least exist! Plus - judging by how they are with their money, good chance we are in a far better place financially than we were under Higgs and that the chances of us being in administration again are long gone! As for going backwards...was i in a coma when we were in the Premier League, competing for trophies and ruling Europe? Some of you make it sound like we were a hugely successful team before these owners came along...our recent history doesn't back that up....before they came along we were broke, going into administration, no stadium , no training ground, the Mem was falling apart, and we were in league 2 having recently escaped the conference...if you look back over the last few decades, bit hard to say we are going backwards....we have spent the majority of the last few decades in L2...in fact, in the last 2 years we have been the highest we have been since we were in the old 2nd division! How the F are we going backwards!!? And while we don't have a new stadium, there have been lots of improvements across the entire club...the new shop, the do up of the bars, ticketing etc etc - AND - DC's biggest transfer budget ever. Plus, the fact they coughed up over a £1 million for that piece of land for a training ground shows they at least are thinking about building a training ground...remind me - where was the piece of land Higgs bought to build us a proper training ground? And if what the club says is to believed, then we are still looking for another site to build a stadium - anyone got a plot of land for sale to get this moving? I think the disappointment is our own making. We saw Arabs. We labelled them billionaires (because all Arabs are obviously). And expected a Man City experience where by now we are already in the pl, have a state of the art stadium and are lining up Neymar to replace Nichols! While the line irritates the life out of me, perhaps we should have taken the 'evolution' bit a bit more seriously. All that said - if we get relegated....i may changed my mind. A heartfelt and eloquent post. Just picking up on the paragraph in bold though, Wael did nothing at all to dissuade us that he wasn't absolutely minted. Interviews on TV where he confessed with a knowing look that they couldn't have bought "every" club in England, plus the national and local press lapping it up gave us every reason to suppose that whilst the club wouldn't have an Eastlands already, there would be real progress. I personally think the fans have been very patient, now almost to be point of being spineless, but the lack of spend or even communication is turning people against our saviour.
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Post by gasforeverman on Jan 25, 2019 15:24:43 GMT
Maybe one day our owners will stop sending us imformation using carrier pigeons. As the mem nowadays is full of them but all there giving us is shxt......
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Post by pirate on Jan 25, 2019 15:37:24 GMT
Mushrooms. Fed on sh** and kept in the dark.
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Post by Mancgas has left the building on Jan 26, 2019 22:48:36 GMT
A heartfelt and eloquent post. Just picking up on the paragraph in bold though, Wael did nothing at all to dissuade us that he wasn't absolutely minted. Interviews on TV where he confessed with a knowing look that they couldn't have bought "every" club in England, plus the national and local press lapping it up gave us every reason to suppose that whilst the club wouldn't have an Eastlands already, there would be real progress. I personally think the fans have been very patient, now almost to be point of being spineless, but the lack of spend or even communication is turning people against our saviour. Popped back 😂 This is sort of thing drives me nuts, on day of takeover, Wael was called billionaire by BBC and he laughed and said I wish, he made it absolutely clear they had no intention of throwing money at it, it’d need to be self funding, and couldn’t have used word evolution more over the first few weeks if his name had been Wael Evolution. But fans still kept on, despite obvious clues like Watola leaving after a week. Sure Id love to know intention re training ground at least, if it’s a no go tell us- we are used to disappointment. But don’t be telling the Al-Qadi’s pretended to be anything other than what they are, expectations were not set by them. But they could have done far more to make the fans over blowing of the situation far clearer far earlier. right I’m off again for another few years- be seeing you
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Post by paulpirate on Jan 26, 2019 23:01:32 GMT
A heartfelt and eloquent post. Just picking up on the paragraph in bold though, Wael did nothing at all to dissuade us that he wasn't absolutely minted. Interviews on TV where he confessed with a knowing look that they couldn't have bought "every" club in England, plus the national and local press lapping it up gave us every reason to suppose that whilst the club wouldn't have an Eastlands already, there would be real progress. I personally think the fans have been very patient, now almost to be point of being spineless, but the lack of spend or even communication is turning people against our saviour. Popped back 😂 This is sort of thing drives me nuts, on day of takeover, Wael was called billionaire by BBC and he laughed and said I wish, he made it absolutely clear they had no intention of throwing money at it, it’d need to be self funding, and couldn’t have used word evolution more over the first few weeks if his name had been Wael Evolution. But fans still kept on, despite obvious clues like Watola leaving after a week. Sure Id love to know intention re training ground at least, if it’s a no go tell us- we are used to disappointment. But don’t be telling the Al-Qadi’s pretended to be anything other than what they are, expectations were not set by them. But they could have done far more to make the fans over blowing of the situation far clearer far earlier. right I’m off again for another few years- be seeing you have a good Christmas x
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 26, 2019 23:04:12 GMT
3 years ago. Bristol Rovers, as business had real potential, a decent L2 team with an outside chance of going up, with a young ambitious manager, excellent fan base, with potential to increase, there was planning permission in place for a new stadium, plenty of equity in the stadium & in footballing terms, relatively little debt. The owners however, had no money to realise that potential & needed to sell. I would imagine, that to anyone with the means & interest in football, they would have looked at this opportunity, indeed there was interest & the ALQ beat off the opposition or were the preferred choice & after due diligence bought the club. The ALQ said that the future of the business depended on a new stadium, they also said that the build of that new stadium was not reliant on the sale of the old one. They also said Evolution rather than Revolution ( rightly or wrongly I took this to mean evolution on the pitch as they also said that they were not going to spend millions on players). We then get promoted, they join in the celebrations, they want to be seen as the owners of Bristol Rovers, they give interviews & want to talk & even made a short documentary, with the BBC, showing family life. They seemed to like & want the exposure. Now, the debt has significantly increased, and we are worse on the field than when we got promoted - along with that there are no plans on the table for a new stadium. Our potential is now much worse than 3 years ago - I see no point in comparing these owners with the previous owners. What has happened or not happened in the last 3 years is down to the current owners. If they are not prepared to take responsibility, then why did they buy the club? When GT asked Wael, in Aug (?) if in 3 years time we are are talking again will we be sat in a new stadium, either here at the Mem or somewhere else, Wael, said No. I found that really worrying especially as he said 3 years ago the future was dependent on a new stadium. Speak to us Wael & stop hiding behind confidentiality, is his lack of transparency that fuel those who want to spread rumours. Excellent post. Completely agree with this.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 26, 2019 23:34:10 GMT
I am still in the camp that I want them gone. I personally feel that the club is being held to ransom by the Al Qadis. Wael obviously doesn't want to upset his family otherwise he'd say it's not him that is holding the club back. But the family now have walked out on our best chance of owning a ground and not far off of seeing us relegated to league 2. They are clearly reducing cost now, there will players contracts up at the end of the season anyway and we will no doubt before the end of Jan let another 1 or 2 leave and bring some 18 year old loanee in. Hamer another one going maybe. I am not sure the London office, does Wael not have Wi-Fi in his house to do any work another unnecessary cost. I feel massively let down and disconnected from the club more so if I'm honest than our season when we were relegated from League 2. I can't evem bring myself to go watch on Saturday due to the fact we have a club that seems to be going absolutely nowhere apart from backwards. You want them gone? Who is going to replace them? Who is going to pump the money in to keep the club going? You realise we are not making money so whatever the losses are, its being covered by them out of their own pocket...what i find most amusing is that so many of us seem to have forgotten where we were a few years ago pre these guys...were the Higgs years are glory days? Weren't we on the verge of going into administration under Higgs? Did he deliver a stadium? Or did he leave us with a potential deal with UWE that would have seen us paying rent for our ground for the next 99 years and never actually owning it! Sorry mate - this was the best chance for us to be tenants for the next 99 years - we would never have owned the ground. I also heard that a significant amount of matchday revenues would go to UWE, plus there was no agreement on naming rights...Higgs stadium deal sounds like it was a rather poor one...not to mention we ended up wasting a ton of cash on a court case with sainsburys!? And can't remember there being massive interest at the time from other potential owners who wanted to buy the club and do a better job...ultimately, if it wasn't for the qadis we may not even exist today! While I am not thrilled that these guys seem to be the only Arabs who don't like to throw their money about, leaving us without an unlimited budget, no stadium and no training ground - I am rather thankful that we at least exist! Plus - judging by how they are with their money, good chance we are in a far better place financially than we were under Higgs and that the chances of us being in administration again are long gone! As for going backwards...was i in a coma when we were in the Premier League, competing for trophies and ruling Europe? Some of you make it sound like we were a hugely successful team before these owners came along...our recent history doesn't back that up....before they came along we were broke, going into administration, no stadium , no training ground, the Mem was falling apart, and we were in league 2 having recently escaped the conference...if you look back over the last few decades, bit hard to say we are going backwards....we have spent the majority of the last few decades in L2...in fact, in the last 2 years we have been the highest we have been since we were in the old 2nd division! How the F are we going backwards!!? And while we don't have a new stadium, there have been lots of improvements across the entire club...the new shop, the do up of the bars, ticketing etc etc - AND - DC's biggest transfer budget ever. Plus, the fact they coughed up over a £1 million for that piece of land for a training ground shows they at least are thinking about building a training ground...remind me - where was the piece of land Higgs bought to build us a proper training ground? And if what the club says is to believed, then we are still looking for another site to build a stadium - anyone got a plot of land for sale to get this moving? I think the disappointment is our own making. We saw Arabs. We labelled them billionaires (because all Arabs are obviously). And expected a Man City experience where by now we are already in the pl, have a state of the art stadium and are lining up Neymar to replace Nichols! While the line irritates the life out of me, perhaps we should have taken the 'evolution' bit a bit more seriously. All that said - if we get relegated....i may changed my mind. So the stadium, Wael has never said it was a bad deal, the facts are he has never given any reason for walking away. That lack of transparency for starters has caused distrust amongst the fans. The stadium would have been a cost neutral build to all intents and purposes and it was the best chance we had in years, probably ever, of ever getting a plot of land to build a stadium on which would have had good transport links, tonnes of parking, corporate opportunity, a chance to build the fan base and to drag us into the modern day 21st century. We were offered a 150 year leasehold with the option to extend after 20 years so it was hardly that insecure. The actual building would have been ours. We had grants from the FA in place that would have injected equity into the build, and the ALQs still decided to walk away, with no reason explicitly given. The ALQs were one of a few interested parties/consortiums that were interested, the board chose the existing owners as they felt they had more opportunity to move the club forward and promised faithfully to build and deliver the stadium. Originally Higgs was to stay on to oversee the build however Hamer and Dunford put pay to that. When the old board left we had half the debt we do now, which wasn't secured against the stadium with a charge on it and loans directly from the directors were interest free, which they aren't now. To correct your memory, before the ALQ's, DC was putting a nice run together in L2, with a team that Higgs and co paid for. They pretty much departed with us as a league one club and there was hardly a vast investment in the squad the following year, in fact, they sold our star striker for an insulting £300k. We have been made top heavy with corporate executives, none of whom are anymore experienced or specialist in football than our previous board, they are all businessmen and accountants in other industries who happen to have a second career in a football boardroom, not with any great success either, all of whom are on corporate exec salaries too, which was an expense the club previously never had to bear. Our football backroom staff has expanded, but to what great improvement? These are adding to the losses, which aren't being paid for, its just adding to the losses on the balance sheet which are only underpinned by Hani agreeing to underwrite the loss, there is no actual cash injection. Evolution is a progressive improvement towards an end goal. We don't even know what that end goal is anymore. Is it a new stadium? A mem redevelopment? Is it Championship football? Is it all of those things? Thing is, we don't know, and Im not sure if the ALQ's know either, mainly because the person who is meant to be in control, actually can't control anything, because he isn't the one in control of the pursestrings. And because of their lack of communication and their lack of clear reasons for not pursing the UWE, it means that any of their other "can't say for confidentiality reasons" plans is totally contemptuous, because their track record suggests they have been less than up front about things. So until they actually put forward some idea of the future BRFC, what other choice do we have other than to doubt anything about this "evolution", because right now, the only thing we are evolving towards is L2 football. As a side note, I would be fine with the ALQs being honest and saying that we are staying at the mem in its current guise because quite simply, we don't have the money or opportunity to do anything else, I wouldn't like it but I would lump it knowing the truth and knowing exactly which way we are heading for the foreseeable, and I think that is what most other fans want too, some honesty and clarity without being fed a rhyming line of apparent mystery.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 3:54:10 GMT
The constant reference to camels and fake sheikhs is not needed to make the same point though is it? You may not like the wording Hugo, but c'mon, there was nothing racist there. Let's not throw common sense out of the window. The reference to camel racing is clearly a racist comment. You would lose your job at any company making that comment to a person of middle eastern origin. Also the comment would be meaningless to make to say nick higgs. Its singling out the fact that our owners are from the middle east and in no way supports any constructive critical comment anyone has against them.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Jan 27, 2019 4:53:44 GMT
I'll happily admit I have an agenda, I can't believe the club had the rotten luck to be passed on from one motley crew of fools to another except at least the last lot gave us the hope of a stadium which this lot has now completely dashed. You sound like you are perfectly content with mediocrity- good for you. I point to our 9,000+ crowds and say that there is no way this club should be slipping back to league two with a whimper, unable to make one signing with less than 10 days of a window to go. At this point I just wish the club was publicly declared up for sale so we can see if anyone else has the means our owners lack...however you would have to be off your tits to pay them their 12 million back let alone the full 15 million value of the Mem. We should bear in mind that the Mem is only worth £15m as a housing site (which it doesn’t presently have planning permission for). As a football stadium it is worth far less. Not that there seems to be a queue of people ready to make us worry about how much we’re worth. Surely when you throw in the playing staff as well then the value of BRFC goes up to £15,000,000.04 ?
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 27, 2019 7:59:11 GMT
You may not like the wording Hugo, but c'mon, there was nothing racist there. Let's not throw common sense out of the window. The reference to camel racing is clearly a racist comment. You would lose your job at any company making that comment to a person of middle eastern origin. Also the comment would be meaningless to make to say nick higgs. Its singling out the fact that our owners are from the middle east and in no way supports any constructive critical comment anyone has against them. Fair point BB. I too have used one of those terms and I apologised for it.
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Post by gasforeverman on Jan 27, 2019 8:54:23 GMT
Some great posts. As a fanbase we deserve more and i hope some day we'll unite to demand answers! As were now not just stagnating were slip sliding away
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Post by aforce on Jan 27, 2019 9:23:24 GMT
You may not like the wording Hugo, but c'mon, there was nothing racist there. Let's not throw common sense out of the window. The reference to camel racing is clearly a racist comment. You would lose your job at any company making that comment to a person of middle eastern origin. Also the comment would be meaningless to make to say nick higgs. Its singling out the fact that our owners are from the middle east and in no way supports any constructive critical comment anyone has against them. It’s surely the same as calling a Welshman a sheep shagger. And I’m sure Cardiff/Swansea supporters hear this chanted at them every week but don’t see headlines of racist chanting. And I’m sure sheep shagging is more crude than camel racing ?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 27, 2019 9:32:29 GMT
The reference to camel racing is clearly a racist comment. You would lose your job at any company making that comment to a person of middle eastern origin. Also the comment would be meaningless to make to say nick higgs. Its singling out the fact that our owners are from the middle east and in no way supports any constructive critical comment anyone has against them. It’s surely the same as calling a Welshman a sheep shagger. And I’m sure Cardiff/Swansea supporters hear this chanted at them every week but don’t see headlines of racist chanting. And I’m sure sheep shagging is more crude than camel racing ? Yeah, if we can all agree that it's the sort of thing a lady garden would say, and anyone who says it is a lady garden, then we don't have to wade through all these pointless posts about what is or isn't racism, and people getting angry about it. If someone wants to start a thread about it in GC then that would be better.
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Post by Marshy on Jan 27, 2019 9:36:31 GMT
The reference to camel racing is clearly a racist comment. You would lose your job at any company making that comment to a person of middle eastern origin. Also the comment would be meaningless to make to say nick higgs. Its singling out the fact that our owners are from the middle east and in no way supports any constructive critical comment anyone has against them. It’s surely the same as calling a Welshman a sheep shagger. And I’m sure Cardiff/Swansea supporters hear this chanted at them every week but don’t see headlines of racist chanting. And I’m sure sheep shagging is more crude than camel racing ? Why is everyone getting the hump over a bit of camel racing?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 9:37:00 GMT
It’s surely the same as calling a Welshman a sheep shagger. And I’m sure Cardiff/Swansea supporters hear this chanted at them every week but don’t see headlines of racist chanting. And I’m sure sheep shagging is more crude than camel racing ? Yeah, if we can all agree that it's the sort of thing a lady garden would say, and anyone who says it is a lady garden, then we don't have to wade through all these pointless posts about what is or isn't racism, and people getting angry about it. If someone wants to start a thread about it in GC then that would be better. It may not be racist, but calling people lady gardens is not conducive to sensible debate is it. Oh, don't bother replying.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 27, 2019 9:42:10 GMT
Yeah, if we can all agree that it's the sort of thing a lady garden would say, and anyone who says it is a lady garden, then we don't have to wade through all these pointless posts about what is or isn't racism, and people getting angry about it. If someone wants to start a thread about it in GC then that would be better. It may not be racist, but calling people lady gardens is not conducive to sensible debate is it. Oh, don't bother replying. Of course it is, we're having a debate here, look. 'Don't bother replying' is not conducive to a debate, by definition, obviously. It is weird, though, how the 'political correctness gone mad' brigade are so quick to object to language they don't like, while pretending they're all for free speech, or something.
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