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Post by trevorgas on Feb 4, 2019 16:52:31 GMT
We've been hiding self inflicted wounds for years!!!! But the content of Mr Kings argument is beyond dispute, wouldn't you agree? Agree however,it is not cast in stone forever otherwise we would never develop or move forward. We have had greater self inflicted wounds such as are economy growing on the back of Consumer spending and borrowing purely because it's an easy and lazy way to do so,the price is always the recession in the 7/10 year cycle,other than when Gordon Brown abolisted "boom and bust" ahem!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 17:08:09 GMT
The guy at the end interested me. He clearly didn't want change which is fair enough and talked of being in the war etc. if that was now he would be one of those being discredited by some Remainers as being selfish and ruining things for our young people, he would also be one of those they expect to die before long and so a new referendum would lose one of their leave voters to be replaced by a brain washed remain voting student turning 18 ! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 17:26:00 GMT
The truth is beginning to emerge regarding Nissan now. The car that they were going to build in Sunderland will not be built anywhere in Europe. There is no market in Europe for a new large Diesel powered car. The EU/Japan trade deal has no effect, as the car, when built in Japan, will not be exported to the EU as the market for it has disappeared. It seems as though the car is a long-term planning failure by Nissan !
Nothing to do with Brexit. Nothing to do with the EU/Japan trade deal. It's just the plain fact that nobody in Europe will buy the car !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 17:26:20 GMT
But the content of Mr Kings argument is beyond dispute, wouldn't you agree? Agree however,it is not cast in stone forever otherwise we would never develop or move forward. We have had greater self inflicted wounds such as are economy growing on the back of Consumer spending and borrowing purely because it's an easy and lazy way to do so,the price is always the recession in the 7/10 year cycle,other than when Gordon Brown abolisted "boom and bust" ahem!!! Of course it's not cast in stone. But if you were running a business, would you start with a net worth of 100, make a stupid mistake, degrade your net worth by 20, take 15 years to get back to 100 and claim that as a success? Really? There is a debate on the purity of productive economic growth, but we would have to start at the run down of our industrial base from the late 70s onwards. As it happens it's an argument past it's sell by date. The world is a very different place. One which we were respected members of, a place where people wanted to come to and work, one where we were at the epi-centre of the largest single market in the world. We are stepping backwards, with a very vague promise that at some point in the future we will, probably, get back to where we are now. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 17:34:49 GMT
The guy at the end interested me. He clearly didn't want change which is fair enough and talked of being in the war etc. if that was now he would be one of those being discredited by some Remainers as being selfish and ruining things for our young people, he would also be one of those they expect to die before long and so a new referendum would lose one of their leave voters to be replaced by a brain washed remain voting student turning 18 ! Like I said I was 26 at the time of that video clip. I was horrified then as I am now. What saddens me is that I am of the same age now as many of those folks were then. To hear some of the same sentiments expressed today is incredibly sad. I know what happened to me, where I have been, what happened to so many (it appears) of my generation? Stuck in some type of time capsule it seems. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 17:57:29 GMT
The truth is beginning to emerge regarding Nissan now. The car that they were going to build in Sunderland will not be built anywhere in Europe. There is no market in Europe for a new large Diesel powered car. The EU/Japan trade deal has no effect, as the car, when built in Japan, will not be exported to the EU as the market for it has disappeared. It seems as though the car is a long-term planning failure by Nissan ! Nothing to do with Brexit. Nothing to do with the EU/Japan trade deal. It's just the plain fact that nobody in Europe will buy the car ! I have to backtrack on that post a little bit. The EU/Japan trade deal does have a long-term effect in that in future, with zero tariff's on cars built in Japan by Nissan, there will be no need to have a manufacturing plant anywhere in the EU ! We are not just talking about the UK here. All trade deals have swings and roundabouts. Tariff free access in this case means job losses for people working for Japanese car companies anywhere in the EU. They will just expand on existing facilities in Japan to build cars. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 18:06:38 GMT
The truth is beginning to emerge regarding Nissan now. The car that they were going to build in Sunderland will not be built anywhere in Europe. There is no market in Europe for a new large Diesel powered car. The EU/Japan trade deal has no effect, as the car, when built in Japan, will not be exported to the EU as the market for it has disappeared. It seems as though the car is a long-term planning failure by Nissan ! Nothing to do with Brexit. Nothing to do with the EU/Japan trade deal. It's just the plain fact that nobody in Europe will buy the car ! I have to backtrack on that post a little bit. The EU/Japan trade deal does have a long-term effect in that in future, with zero tariff's on cars built in Japan by Nissan, there will be no need to have a manufacturing plant anywhere in the EU ! We are not just talking about the UK here. All trade deals have swings and roundabouts. Tariff free access in this case means job losses for people working for Japanese car companies anywhere in the EU. They will just expand on existing facilities in Japan to build cars. Now that penny has dropped, perhaps it would be worth looking at why Foreign Direct Investment comes to the UK? Could one of the reasons be access to the broader EU Market and the attractiveness of the UK as an open, liberal, place to do business? Now we are about to leave, what now? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 18:31:38 GMT
I have to backtrack on that post a little bit. The EU/Japan trade deal does have a long-term effect in that in future, with zero tariff's on cars built in Japan by Nissan, there will be no need to have a manufacturing plant anywhere in the EU ! We are not just talking about the UK here. All trade deals have swings and roundabouts. Tariff free access in this case means job losses for people working for Japanese car companies anywhere in the EU. They will just expand on existing facilities in Japan to build cars. Now that penny has dropped, perhaps it would be worth looking at why Foreign Direct Investment comes to the UK? Could one of the reasons be access to the broader EU Market and the attractiveness of the UK as an open, liberal, place to do business? Now we are about to leave, what now? The UK still has the highest amount of FDI in Europe, and in fact the UK is ranked No.2 in the world for FDI......despite Brexit ! |
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Post by jaggas on Feb 4, 2019 19:00:55 GMT
What point are you trying to make with this post?  All signs in the UK are in miles as we think and work in miles obviously to your disgust.All golf courses in the UK are measured in yards not metres you can scoff at that as well if you wish....I'm off for a pint.. oh no a pint!! how old fashioned sprout drinks in litres as he such a smart ass who loves everything EU. |
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Post by irene on Feb 4, 2019 19:23:49 GMT
Jaggas still playing the w**ker Britex ? sounds like some kind of polyester oh and polititian what the f**ks that you fuckwit
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 4, 2019 19:53:38 GMT
What point are you trying to make with this post? All signs in the UK are in miles as we think and work in miles obviously to your disgust.All golf courses in the UK are measured in yards not metres you can scoff at that as well if you wish....I'm off for a pint.. oh no a pint!! how old fashioned sprout drinks in litres as he such a smart ass who loves everything EU. I knew someone who disliked the EU because he feared they would force us to drive on the right. We have been trying to go metric since before Victoria was on the throne. No problem being schooled in both. Nice to see you showing those great British values of tolerance and courtesy. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 20:05:51 GMT
Metric/Imperial it doesn't really matter. As an aside, are you all aware that Plumbing in Germany has everything measured in Imperial. You can buy quarter inch/half inch connectors etc etc. It's something to do with re-building after the war, and most of that came from the UK and the US. Also, televisions here are still measured in inches. Everyone knows what a 55 inch or 65 inch telly is.
Here's a question for you all. In football, is the penalty spot 12 yds from the goal, or 11 metres?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 20:14:35 GMT
Now that penny has dropped, perhaps it would be worth looking at why Foreign Direct Investment comes to the UK? Could one of the reasons be access to the broader EU Market and the attractiveness of the UK as an open, liberal, place to do business? Now we are about to leave, what now? The UK still has the highest amount of FDI in Europe, and in fact the UK is ranked No.2 in the world for FDI......despite Brexit ! Precisely Why? Edit. From the 80's Nissan chose the north-east principally for its ports, giving easy access to and from the European mainland. So Thatcher was fully aware that EEC membership was crucial to its decision to locate in Britain. In 1980, Keith Joseph, then a trade minister, wrote to her: “The deal [is] tangible evidence of the benefits to the UK of membership of the European Community; Nissan [has] chosen the United Kingdom because it [gives] them access to the whole European market. If we were outside the community, it is very unlikely that Nissan would have given the United Kingdom serious consideration as a base for this substantial investment.” Hmmmm...yes. Full article here. North-east England will pay the price for decades of dishonesty about Nissan flip.it/7zbbYm |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 4, 2019 20:29:00 GMT
Metric/Imperial it doesn't really matter. As an aside, are you all aware that Plumbing in Germany has everything measured in Imperial. You can buy quarter inch/half inch connectors etc etc. It's something to do with re-building after the war, and most of that came from the UK and the US. Also, televisions here are still measured in inches. Everyone knows what a 55 inch or 65 inch telly is. Here's a question for you all. In football, is the penalty spot 12 yds from the goal, or 11 metres? Indeed, am I 6' 3" or 1.905m? As we work with the US, we should learn both. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 20:33:23 GMT
Metric/Imperial it doesn't really matter. As an aside, are you all aware that Plumbing in Germany has everything measured in Imperial. You can buy quarter inch/half inch connectors etc etc. It's something to do with re-building after the war, and most of that came from the UK and the US. Also, televisions here are still measured in inches. Everyone knows what a 55 inch or 65 inch telly is. Here's a question for you all. In football, is the penalty spot 12 yds from the goal, or 11 metres? Indeed, am I 6' 3" or 1.905m? As we work with the US, we should learn both. Yep, I work with both in my head. In Junior school it was Imperial, and when I switched to Senior school it suddenly became metric ! |
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Post by jaggas on Feb 4, 2019 20:44:35 GMT
What point are you trying to make with this post? All signs in the UK are in miles as we think and work in miles obviously to your disgust.All golf courses in the UK are measured in yards not metres you can scoff at that as well if you wish....I'm off for a pint.. oh no a pint!! how old fashioned sprout drinks in litres as he such a smart ass who loves everything EU. I knew someone who disliked the EU because he feared they would force us to drive on the right. We have been trying to go metric since before Victoria was on the throne. No problem being schooled in both. Nice to see you showing those great British values of tolerance and courtesy. Not the case..at school we were taught in both. I prefer to use imperial as I find it simpler especially weight,my mates in the building trade prefer metric mm as it is easier and more accurate,that said I don't know anyone that measures anything in kilometres even if it does make them intolerant and less courteous. |
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Post by jaggas on Feb 4, 2019 20:49:00 GMT
Jaggas still playing the w**ker Britex ? sounds like some kind of polyester oh and polititian what the f**ks that you fuckwit How many kms per litre does your car do irene??? Now close the door on your way out you bellend. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 4, 2019 20:52:58 GMT
I knew someone who disliked the EU because he feared they would force us to drive on the right. We have been trying to go metric since before Victoria was on the throne. No problem being schooled in both. Nice to see you showing those great British values of tolerance and courtesy. Not the case..at school we were taught in both. I prefer to use imperial as I find it simpler especially weight,my mates in the building trade prefer metric mm as it is easier and more accurate,that said I don't know anyone that measures anything in kilometres even if it does make them intolerant and less courteous. What isn't the case? And I was referring to your response to Peter Parker not those who use imperial. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 21:17:42 GMT
The UK still has the highest amount of FDI in Europe, and in fact the UK is ranked No.2 in the world for FDI......despite Brexit ! Precisely Why? Edit. From the 80's Nissan chose the north-east principally for its ports, giving easy access to and from the European mainland. So Thatcher was fully aware that EEC membership was crucial to its decision to locate in Britain. In 1980, Keith Joseph, then a trade minister, wrote to her: “The deal [is] tangible evidence of the benefits to the UK of membership of the European Community; Nissan [has] chosen the United Kingdom because it [gives] them access to the whole European market. If we were outside the community, it is very unlikely that Nissan would have given the United Kingdom serious consideration as a base for this substantial investment.” Hmmmm...yes. Full article here. North-east England will pay the price for decades of dishonesty about Nissan flip.it/7zbbYmShame the EU couldn't just leave it as a common market instead of getting power mad then isn't it. If it had been left as a common market there would never have been a growing resentment towards the EU and therefore no referendum. Unfortunately it just morphed in to this crazy FIFA style organisation run by self interested beurocrats without the man on the street having their views taken into account. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 21:42:33 GMT
Precisely Why? Edit. From the 80's Nissan chose the north-east principally for its ports, giving easy access to and from the European mainland. So Thatcher was fully aware that EEC membership was crucial to its decision to locate in Britain. In 1980, Keith Joseph, then a trade minister, wrote to her: “The deal [is] tangible evidence of the benefits to the UK of membership of the European Community; Nissan [has] chosen the United Kingdom because it [gives] them access to the whole European market. If we were outside the community, it is very unlikely that Nissan would have given the United Kingdom serious consideration as a base for this substantial investment.” Hmmmm...yes. Full article here. North-east England will pay the price for decades of dishonesty about Nissan flip.it/7zbbYmShame the EU couldn't just leave it as a common market instead of getting power mad then isn't it. If it had been left as a common market there would never have been a growing resentment towards the EU and therefore no referendum. Unfortunately it just morphed in to this crazy FIFA style organisation run by self interested beurocrats without the man on the street having their views taken into account. In your view. So, our SOVEREIGN PARLIAMENT, which was supposed to be the antidote to your assertion, is now found to have been spending up to £60 odd million quid on a "bribe" to Nissan from our tax fund, whilst we have homeless people on the street, poor families using food banks and a housing crisis. You think that represents the views of the "man on the street"? I think your ire should be aimed at our political class and the austerity measures since 2010. But I suspect, based upon your views expressed on here you support those measures. |
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All signs in the UK are in miles as we think and work in miles obviously to your disgust.All golf courses in the UK are measured in yards not metres you can scoff at that as well if you wish....I'm off for a pint.. oh no a pint!! how old fashioned sprout drinks in litres as he such a smart ass who loves everything EU.
