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Post by jaggas on Feb 4, 2019 21:54:52 GMT
Which is a drop in the ocean compared to the money squandered on foreign aid.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 21:59:52 GMT
Shame the EU couldn't just leave it as a common market instead of getting power mad then isn't it. If it had been left as a common market there would never have been a growing resentment towards the EU and therefore no referendum. Unfortunately it just morphed in to this crazy FIFA style organisation run by self interested beurocrats without the man on the street having their views taken into account. In your view. So, our SOVEREIGN PARLIAMENT, which was supposed to be the antidote to your assertion, is now found to have been spending up to £60 odd million quid on a "bribe" to Nissan from our tax fund, whilst we have homeless people on the street, poor families using food banks and a housing crisis. You think that represents the views of the "man on the street"? I think your ire should be aimed at our political class and the austerity measures since 2010. But I suspect, based upon your views expressed on here you support those measures. Once again Oldie, you have to read behind the sensationalist headlines....... "Nissan will be forced to reapply for nearly £60m of taxpayer support after backtracking on a promise to build its X-Trail SUV in Sunderland. A letter from the government to Nissan, written in 2016, revealed that the Japanese carmaker would only get the money if it made the car in the UK. The government clarified that Nissan had received just £2.6m of the funds, but would have to reapply for the rest." The BBC |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 22:04:46 GMT
Shame the EU couldn't just leave it as a common market instead of getting power mad then isn't it. If it had been left as a common market there would never have been a growing resentment towards the EU and therefore no referendum. Unfortunately it just morphed in to this crazy FIFA style organisation run by self interested beurocrats without the man on the street having their views taken into account. In your view. So, our SOVEREIGN PARLIAMENT, which was supposed to be the antidote to your assertion, is now found to have been spending up to £60 odd million quid on a "bribe" to Nissan from our tax fund, whilst we have homeless people on the street, poor families using food banks and a housing crisis. You think that represents the views of the "man on the street"? I think your ire should be aimed at our political class and the austerity measures since 2010. But I suspect, based upon your views expressed on here you support those measures. I'll decide where to aim my ire thank you although I know you think everyone should follow your superior beliefs. As for austerity I don't think there was much choice, if I ran up loads of personal debt the only way out was tightening my belt and not carry on frittering money away. As for food banks I'd love some in depth analysis of those that actually use them, how many were 'poor' before deciding to start a family, how many visiting the food banks spend money on fags, booze, tattoos and Sky TV? If benefits were given as food and essential vouchers rather than cash perhaps food banks wouldn't be needed. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 22:05:14 GMT
In your view. So, our SOVEREIGN PARLIAMENT, which was supposed to be the antidote to your assertion, is now found to have been spending up to £60 odd million quid on a "bribe" to Nissan from our tax fund, whilst we have homeless people on the street, poor families using food banks and a housing crisis. You think that represents the views of the "man on the street"? I think your ire should be aimed at our political class and the austerity measures since 2010. But I suspect, based upon your views expressed on here you support those measures. Once again Oldie, you have to read behind the sensationalist headlines....... "Nissan will be forced to reapply for nearly £60m of taxpayer support after backtracking on a promise to build its X-Trail SUV in Sunderland. A letter from the government to Nissan, written in 2016, revealed that the Japanese carmaker would only get the money if it made the car in the UK. The government clarified that Nissan had received just £2.6m of the funds, but would have to reapply for the rest." The BBCYes I get that. But they were prepared to commit to the grand total, whilst at the same time hiding it from the public and squealing about having to cut expenditure. The point being Eric (just as an example) goes on about the man in the street being ignored at EU level when in fact the issue is much closer to home. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 22:09:05 GMT
In your view. So, our SOVEREIGN PARLIAMENT, which was supposed to be the antidote to your assertion, is now found to have been spending up to £60 odd million quid on a "bribe" to Nissan from our tax fund, whilst we have homeless people on the street, poor families using food banks and a housing crisis. You think that represents the views of the "man on the street"? I think your ire should be aimed at our political class and the austerity measures since 2010. But I suspect, based upon your views expressed on here you support those measures. I'll decide where to aim my ire thank you although I know you think everyone should follow your superior beliefs. As for austerity I don't think there was much choice, if I ran up loads of personal debt the only way out was tightening my belt and not carry on frittering money away. As for food banks I'd love some in depth analysis of those that actually use them, how many were 'poor' before deciding to start a family, how many visiting the food banks spend money on fags, booze, tattoos and Sky TV? If benefits were given as food and essential vouchers rather than cash perhaps food banks wouldn't be needed. Ah, right. Let's blame the poor. So when Nissan pull any future investment into their plant in Sunderland, if they do, as the current models age and need replacing, will you blame the workforce if jobs are lost? Your views on the man on the street seem slightly contradictory if I may say so. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 22:19:53 GMT
I'll decide where to aim my ire thank you although I know you think everyone should follow your superior beliefs. As for austerity I don't think there was much choice, if I ran up loads of personal debt the only way out was tightening my belt and not carry on frittering money away. As for food banks I'd love some in depth analysis of those that actually use them, how many were 'poor' before deciding to start a family, how many visiting the food banks spend money on fags, booze, tattoos and Sky TV? If benefits were given as food and essential vouchers rather than cash perhaps food banks wouldn't be needed. Ah, right. Let's blame the poor. So when Nissan pull any future investment into their plant in Sunderland, if they do, as the current models age and need replacing, will you blame the workforce if jobs are lost? Your views on the man on the street seem slightly contradictory if I may say so. Who is blaming the poor? I blame Blair and Brown for austerity. What makes you think I would blame the workforce if a Japanese company decides not to start building their new model in the UK. Has it been announced how many jobs are being lost or is this just you scaremongering? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 22:32:19 GMT
Ah, right. Let's blame the poor. So when Nissan pull any future investment into their plant in Sunderland, if they do, as the current models age and need replacing, will you blame the workforce if jobs are lost? Your views on the man on the street seem slightly contradictory if I may say so. Who is blaming the poor? I blame Blair and Brown for austerity. What makes you think I would blame the workforce if a Japanese company decides not to start building their new model in the UK. Has it been announced how many jobs are being lost or is this just you scaremongering? As I said, if they do. But it seems reality is kicking in Japan's EU deal 'threatens post-Brexit UK industry' flip.it/tvb0ik |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 22:56:38 GMT
Ah, right. Let's blame the poor. So when Nissan pull any future investment into their plant in Sunderland, if they do, as the current models age and need replacing, will you blame the workforce if jobs are lost? Your views on the man on the street seem slightly contradictory if I may say so. Who is blaming the poor? I blame Blair and Brown for austerity. What makes you think I would blame the workforce if a Japanese company decides not to start building their new model in the UK. Has it been announced how many jobs are being lost or is this just you scaremongering? There are no job losses at Nissan. There were going to be 740 jobs created to build the new model, but this will now not happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 23:12:33 GMT
Who is blaming the poor? I blame Blair and Brown for austerity. What makes you think I would blame the workforce if a Japanese company decides not to start building their new model in the UK. Has it been announced how many jobs are being lost or is this just you scaremongering? There are no job losses at Nissan. There were going to be 740 jobs created to build the new model, but this will now not happen. But will there be any further investment? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 5, 2019 1:11:00 GMT
In your view. So, our SOVEREIGN PARLIAMENT, which was supposed to be the antidote to your assertion, is now found to have been spending up to £60 odd million quid on a "bribe" to Nissan from our tax fund, whilst we have homeless people on the street, poor families using food banks and a housing crisis. You think that represents the views of the "man on the street"? I think your ire should be aimed at our political class and the austerity measures since 2010. But I suspect, based upon your views expressed on here you support those measures. I'll decide where to aim my ire thank you although I know you think everyone should follow your superior beliefs. As for austerity I don't think there was much choice, if I ran up loads of personal debt the only way out was tightening my belt and not carry on frittering money away. As for food banks I'd love some in depth analysis of those that actually use them, how many were 'poor' before deciding to start a family, how many visiting the food banks spend money on fags, booze, tattoos and Sky TV? If benefits were given as food and essential vouchers rather than cash perhaps food banks wouldn't be needed. I think it is a bit more complex than fags, booze, Sky and kids. The most typical users are single men, lone mothers with children and single women - between them accounting for about two-thirds of all food bank users. Social isolation, the lack of a friend in need, plays a part, as well as threadbare finances. Ill health is a very common feature. Almost two-thirds of users had a health condition, half of households using food banks included someone with a disability and a third had mental health problems. Debts and a long tail of repayments are often dragging them down. They can be months behind with bills and having to pay back bank loans, credit cards, loan sharks, pawn shops and payday lenders. www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-40431701As for vouchers, those with low esteem and mental health issues may be even lower with the stigma. Plus the admin would make it more expensive. It could be one of us at some point in the future. There but for the Grace of God and all that. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 5, 2019 1:34:19 GMT
There are no job losses at Nissan. There were going to be 740 jobs created to build the new model, but this will now not happen. But will there be any further investment? From an Andrew Neil retweet: “If we were outside the [European] Community, it is very unlikely that Nissan would have given the United Kingdom serious consideration as a base for this substantial investment." Sir Keith Joseph, Secretary of State for Industry in Margaret Thatcher's first Cabinet, 1980. Quite portentous. |
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Post by peterparker on Feb 5, 2019 8:33:20 GMT
Who is blaming the poor? I blame Blair and Brown for austerity. What makes you think I would blame the workforce if a Japanese company decides not to start building their new model in the UK. Has it been announced how many jobs are being lost or is this just you scaremongering? There are no job losses at Nissan. There were going to be 740 jobs created to build the new model, but this will now not happen. no job losses yet. In one of the videos I posted, a production line manager says the x-trail they build there probably has a production cycle of a couple of years. what then is the pertinent question?
hence Nissan saying the money the were getting is for R+D and such like, but if they now no longer get it?
Nissan have to reapply for the grant or whatever you want to call it, but will x Government risk not giving it if it will kill Sunderland
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 10:57:01 GMT
There are no job losses at Nissan. There were going to be 740 jobs created to build the new model, but this will now not happen. no job losses yet. In one of the videos I posted, a production line manager says the x-trail they build there probably has a production cycle of a couple of years. what then is the pertinent question?
hence Nissan saying the money the were getting is for R+D and such like, but if they now no longer get it?
Nissan have to reapply for the grant or whatever you want to call it, but will x Government risk not giving it if it will kill Sunderland
The whole point is that it doesn't matter if the UK were in or out of the EU. With the new trade deal there is no reason for ANY Japanese car maker to manufacture their cars in the EU. It is the EU trade deal that will kill Sunderland, and others. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 11:14:22 GMT
no job losses yet. In one of the videos I posted, a production line manager says the x-trail they build there probably has a production cycle of a couple of years. what then is the pertinent question?
hence Nissan saying the money the were getting is for R+D and such like, but if they now no longer get it?
Nissan have to reapply for the grant or whatever you want to call it, but will x Government risk not giving it if it will kill Sunderland
The whole point is that it doesn't matter if the UK were in or out of the EU. With the new trade deal there is no reason for ANY Japanese car maker to manufacture their cars in the EU. It is the EU trade deal that will kill Sunderland, and others. Not really. The whole point is as economies evolve, trade barriers being brought down everywhere apart from the USA where a populist President does his best king Canute impression, how does the UK evolve now that we cannot offer access to the Single Market for Foreign investment. Standing alone with no equivalent, in fact none at all (Israel excepted), trade treaties in place how are we to compete? What has areas like Sunderland to offer? I am sure Leavers saw this coming as trade treaties under negotiation were well down the line, so they have a plan. Right? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 5, 2019 11:23:00 GMT
Is this the same trade deal that was going to be a cut and paste agreement with Abe and being lauded on here as an example of how easy post Brexit deals will be?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 11:46:53 GMT
Is this the same trade deal that was going to be a cut and paste agreement with Abe and being lauded on here as an example of how easy post Brexit deals will be? Allegedly. Meanwhile this is what productive investment looks like on an international basis. China's CATL, Honda plan to co-operate on EV battery development flip.it/Mz3aPpOf course we have the Dyson company investing into the electric vehicle market (and battery development I believe) which should bode well for the UK. Oh, hang on, Singapore signed a free trade deal with the EU, which we won't be party to when we leave. So James moved his HQ to.... wait for it....roll of drums SINGAPORE!! Hooray What's the plan? Oh yeah, cheap meat from Argentina. |
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Post by peterparker on Feb 5, 2019 12:17:48 GMT
no job losses yet. In one of the videos I posted, a production line manager says the x-trail they build there probably has a production cycle of a couple of years. what then is the pertinent question?
hence Nissan saying the money the were getting is for R+D and such like, but if they now no longer get it?
Nissan have to reapply for the grant or whatever you want to call it, but will x Government risk not giving it if it will kill Sunderland
The whole point is that it doesn't matter if the UK were in or out of the EU. With the new trade deal there is no reason for ANY Japanese car maker to manufacture their cars in the EU. It is the EU trade deal that will kill Sunderland, and others. I assume all these are going to be shut in the near future
Currently Japanese car makers have 16 research and development centres, and 14 factories, inside the EU employing 34,000 people directly
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 12:58:18 GMT
Recognise anyone??
Check out @davidschneider’s Tweet:
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Post by peterparker on Feb 5, 2019 13:13:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 14:01:19 GMT
Another hint at stupid thinking. So, we cut Tarriffs to zero on all imports. We enter into negotiations over Trade Treaties with various countries, can someone explain why a country would agree to a Trade Treaty when we are already allowing all their exports in with a zero Tarriff under this idea? Hmmmm Suggest you email the answer to Dr Liam "Clueless" Fox Head of The Leavers MENSA Policy Group. |
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