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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 5, 2019 14:31:48 GMT
Couple of interesting tweets from Sky's Faisal Islam.
"Government today acknowledged publicly a few weeks before the event what Sky News #brexitforensics revealed 11 months ago, and was the subject of numerous gagging orders on business - that they will not be able to enforce No Deal customs controls on 29.3 because they can’t."
So much for taking control of our borders 😐
This means if we don't enforce checks or collect tariffs on imports from the EU, then under WTO we can't do that on any including those we currently do. So less revenue coming in and no checks on quality standards and smuggling. The EU are superficially better prepared so will charge tariffs (as they will legally have to) and with our open borders will need to check for standards, therefore exports costs will be higher.
"NEW: Ministers’ private concern over US Congress siding with Dublin. Specifically Cabinet sources point to impact on any US-UK trade deal should UK be seen to renege on commitments to Dublin."
As Congress will have to pass any trade agreement, will we be subject to an Irish American veto?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 14:46:18 GMT
Couple of interesting tweets from Sky's Faisal Islam. "Government today acknowledged publicly a few weeks before the event what Sky News #brexitforensics revealed 11 months ago, and was the subject of numerous gagging orders on business - that they will not be able to enforce No Deal customs controls on 29.3 because they can’t." So much for taking control of our borders 😐 This means if we don't enforce checks or collect tariffs on imports from the EU, then under WTO we can't do that on any including those we currently do. So less revenue coming in and no checks on quality standards and smuggling. The EU are superficially better prepared so will charge tariffs (as they will legally have to) and with our open borders will need to check for standards, therefore exports costs will be higher. "NEW: Ministers’ private concern over US Congress siding with Dublin. Specifically Cabinet sources point to impact on any US-UK trade deal should UK be seen to renege on commitments to Dublin." As Congress will have to pass any trade agreement, will we be subject to an Irish American veto? It just gets better and better. Unless the EU give way on the backstop I can see a chaotic acceptance of May's deal with Labour members cancelling out the ERG rebels. Cue political civil war. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 5, 2019 15:06:22 GMT
Couple of interesting tweets from Sky's Faisal Islam. "Government today acknowledged publicly a few weeks before the event what Sky News #brexitforensics revealed 11 months ago, and was the subject of numerous gagging orders on business - that they will not be able to enforce No Deal customs controls on 29.3 because they can’t." So much for taking control of our borders 😐 This means if we don't enforce checks or collect tariffs on imports from the EU, then under WTO we can't do that on any including those we currently do. So less revenue coming in and no checks on quality standards and smuggling. The EU are superficially better prepared so will charge tariffs (as they will legally have to) and with our open borders will need to check for standards, therefore exports costs will be higher. "NEW: Ministers’ private concern over US Congress siding with Dublin. Specifically Cabinet sources point to impact on any US-UK trade deal should UK be seen to renege on commitments to Dublin." As Congress will have to pass any trade agreement, will we be subject to an Irish American veto? It just gets better and better. Unless the EU give way on the backstop I can see a chaotic acceptance of May's deal with Labour members cancelling out the ERG rebels. Cue political civil war. And therein lies the plan. Not yet convinced the numbers stack up, but divide and rule and she may just frighten enough. |
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Post by peterparker on Feb 5, 2019 15:10:01 GMT
Couple of interesting tweets from Sky's Faisal Islam. "Government today acknowledged publicly a few weeks before the event what Sky News #brexitforensics revealed 11 months ago, and was the subject of numerous gagging orders on business - that they will not be able to enforce No Deal customs controls on 29.3 because they can’t." So much for taking control of our borders 😐 This means if we don't enforce checks or collect tariffs on imports from the EU, then under WTO we can't do that on any including those we currently do. So less revenue coming in and no checks on quality standards and smuggling. The EU are superficially better prepared so will charge tariffs (as they will legally have to) and with our open borders will need to check for standards, therefore exports costs will be higher. "NEW: Ministers’ private concern over US Congress siding with Dublin. Specifically Cabinet sources point to impact on any US-UK trade deal should UK be seen to renege on commitments to Dublin." As Congress will have to pass any trade agreement, will we be subject to an Irish American veto? SO is that classed as project fear. lol |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 15:11:39 GMT
Couple of interesting tweets from Sky's Faisal Islam. "Government today acknowledged publicly a few weeks before the event what Sky News #brexitforensics revealed 11 months ago, and was the subject of numerous gagging orders on business - that they will not be able to enforce No Deal customs controls on 29.3 because they can’t." So much for taking control of our borders 😐 This means if we don't enforce checks or collect tariffs on imports from the EU, then under WTO we can't do that on any including those we currently do. So less revenue coming in and no checks on quality standards and smuggling. The EU are superficially better prepared so will charge tariffs (as they will legally have to) and with our open borders will need to check for standards, therefore exports costs will be higher. "NEW: Ministers’ private concern over US Congress siding with Dublin. Specifically Cabinet sources point to impact on any US-UK trade deal should UK be seen to renege on commitments to Dublin." As Congress will have to pass any trade agreement, will we be subject to an Irish American veto? SO is that classed as project fear. lol Wait for it. The excuses. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 15:16:48 GMT
Is this the same trade deal that was going to be a cut and paste agreement with Abe and being lauded on here as an example of how easy post Brexit deals will be? As you know, trade deals are just that, a trade deal. Both sides win on some points, and both sides may lose on some points. Swings and roundabouts again. I'm pretty sure the EU knew that they would lose the Japanese car manufacturing in the long term, and I'm pretty sure that it is reciprocated somewhere else. Yes, a trade deal with Japan will be easy, as the Japanese PM has already stated. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 15:21:00 GMT
Couple of interesting tweets from Sky's Faisal Islam. "Government today acknowledged publicly a few weeks before the event what Sky News #brexitforensics revealed 11 months ago, and was the subject of numerous gagging orders on business - that they will not be able to enforce No Deal customs controls on 29.3 because they can’t." So much for taking control of our borders 😐 This means if we don't enforce checks or collect tariffs on imports from the EU, then under WTO we can't do that on any including those we currently do. So less revenue coming in and no checks on quality standards and smuggling. The EU are superficially better prepared so will charge tariffs (as they will legally have to) and with our open borders will need to check for standards, therefore exports costs will be higher. "NEW: Ministers’ private concern over US Congress siding with Dublin. Specifically Cabinet sources point to impact on any US-UK trade deal should UK be seen to renege on commitments to Dublin." As Congress will have to pass any trade agreement, will we be subject to an Irish American veto? We all know that the current crop of politicians in Parliament are complete wasters. The problems you are highlighting are not the fault of the Brexit vote, but just demonstrates the incompetence of May and her government. As for the US thing, steady on. ONE American politician has mentioned this...ONE. The UK are not reneging on any commitments to Dublin. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 15:22:51 GMT
SO is that classed as project fear. lol Wait for it. The excuses. How can any excuse the job that May has done with the WA negotiations. It's a clusterfuck ! |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 5, 2019 15:54:34 GMT
Couple of interesting tweets from Sky's Faisal Islam. "Government today acknowledged publicly a few weeks before the event what Sky News #brexitforensics revealed 11 months ago, and was the subject of numerous gagging orders on business - that they will not be able to enforce No Deal customs controls on 29.3 because they can’t." So much for taking control of our borders 😐 This means if we don't enforce checks or collect tariffs on imports from the EU, then under WTO we can't do that on any including those we currently do. So less revenue coming in and no checks on quality standards and smuggling. The EU are superficially better prepared so will charge tariffs (as they will legally have to) and with our open borders will need to check for standards, therefore exports costs will be higher. "NEW: Ministers’ private concern over US Congress siding with Dublin. Specifically Cabinet sources point to impact on any US-UK trade deal should UK be seen to renege on commitments to Dublin." As Congress will have to pass any trade agreement, will we be subject to an Irish American veto? We all know that the current crop of politicians in Parliament are complete wasters. The problems you are highlighting are not the fault of the Brexit vote, but just demonstrates the incompetence of May and her government. As for the US thing, steady on. ONE American politician has mentioned this...ONE. The UK are not reneging on any commitments to Dublin. Beware of unintended consequences. Just a reminder that things were sold as easy when it isn't. I'd have more time for people like JRM or David Davis if they were more open rather than blithely stating it will be okay in X days/months/years. As for the Irish Anerican thing, also just a small reminder it won't be a forgone conclusion that a US deal is forthcoming. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 16:51:50 GMT
We all know that the current crop of politicians in Parliament are complete wasters. The problems you are highlighting are not the fault of the Brexit vote, but just demonstrates the incompetence of May and her government. As for the US thing, steady on. ONE American politician has mentioned this...ONE. The UK are not reneging on any commitments to Dublin. Beware of unintended consequences. Just a reminder that things were sold as easy when it isn't. I'd have more time for people like JRM or David Davis if they were more open rather than blithely stating it will be okay in X days/months/years. As for the Irish Anerican thing, also just a small reminder it won't be a forgone conclusion that a US deal is forthcoming. No it won't. The EU spent seven years negotiating and still couldn't agree to a deal with the US......and that seven years is a timely reminder of just how long the EU could drag out talks regarding a possible FTA with the UK, and all that time we would still be paying into the EU, accepting all judgments from the ECJ, not able to negotiate our own FTA's etc etc. Basically, still in the EU without any say. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 5, 2019 17:31:51 GMT
Beware of unintended consequences. Just a reminder that things were sold as easy when it isn't. I'd have more time for people like JRM or David Davis if they were more open rather than blithely stating it will be okay in X days/months/years. As for the Irish Anerican thing, also just a small reminder it won't be a forgone conclusion that a US deal is forthcoming. No it won't. The EU spent seven years negotiating and still couldn't agree to a deal with the US......and that seven years is a timely reminder of just how long the EU could drag out talks regarding a possible FTA with the UK, and all that time we would still be paying into the EU, accepting all judgments from the ECJ, not able to negotiate our own FTA's etc etc. Basically, still in the EU without any say. The length of time to agree an FTA with the EU was something Cameron mentioned before the referendum and was dismissed as Project Fear. Personally I think the ECJ is overplayed as the bogeyman. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 18:00:03 GMT
No it won't. The EU spent seven years negotiating and still couldn't agree to a deal with the US......and that seven years is a timely reminder of just how long the EU could drag out talks regarding a possible FTA with the UK, and all that time we would still be paying into the EU, accepting all judgments from the ECJ, not able to negotiate our own FTA's etc etc. Basically, still in the EU without any say. The length of time to agree an FTA with the EU was something Cameron mentioned before the referendum and was dismissed as Project Fear. Personally I think the ECJ is overplayed as the bogeyman. If Parliament accept May's deal, then there is no need for the EU to negotiate an FTA. Here is an interesting article ...... "The backstop is advanced as an ‘insurance’, we are told, and it will be unlikely ever to be used. If this not-ever-to-be-used text, unwanted by the Commission and EU27 to have anything beyond a short life, unwanted by the UK Parliament (following Brady), and so it must now be construed unwanted by the Government, and most certainly unwanted by the public – why won’t this dead parrot admit that life has indeed left it? And then came the kicker. In the event of no deal, which must now have increased in likelihood by several points, the EU will still demand the £39 billion divorce fee, else future relations would be forever soured. Let’s get this right: No deal – £39 billion Appalling deal with no guarantee of an acceptable future relationship – £39 billion A deal we might swallow (minus the backstop) – £39 billion A good deal and a great future relationship – £39 billion No wonder the sequencing of the negotiations was insisted upon at the outset. What was the question? The answer is £39 billion." Martyn Selmayr to Brexit Select Commitee |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 18:03:59 GMT
More good news from the Eurozone. "Investor confidence has plummeted to a four-year low in the Eurozone, with a sixth consecutive monthly fall in the Sentix index taking it to its lowest level since November 2014. Sentix said Eurozone growth was “weaking dangerously quickly and strongly.” Meanwhile Germany’s investor morale dropped to its lowest level since August 2012 in a separate index as it teeters on the brink of recession… Naturally Brexit is being blamed, despite the UK currently having higher investor confidence and the fastest growing European economy in the G7. It’s one thing for underperforming companies to use Brexit as an excuse for their poor results. It’s quite another for underperforming EU countries to use it as an excuse for why they’re doing worse than the UK…" Now that the ECB has stopped their QE programme, the Eurozone countries are beginning to feel the pinch. The QE programme didn't generate growth as intended, but just enabled them to keep their heads above the water. Investor confidence in the Eurozone plummets |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 18:20:30 GMT
More good news from the Eurozone. "Investor confidence has plummeted to a four-year low in the Eurozone, with a sixth consecutive monthly fall in the Sentix index taking it to its lowest level since November 2014. Sentix said Eurozone growth was “weaking dangerously quickly and strongly.” Meanwhile Germany’s investor morale dropped to its lowest level since August 2012 in a separate index as it teeters on the brink of recession… Naturally Brexit is being blamed, despite the UK currently having higher investor confidence and the fastest growing European economy in the G7. It’s one thing for underperforming companies to use Brexit as an excuse for their poor results. It’s quite another for underperforming EU countries to use it as an excuse for why they’re doing worse than the UK…" Now that the ECB has stopped their QE programme, the Eurozone countries are beginning to feel the pinch. The QE programme didn't generate growth as intended, but just enabled them to keep their heads above the water. Investor confidence in the Eurozone plummetsThis is all pretty much true. But really we should be concentrating how we are going to get out of the mess we are in. Yes the world economy is slowing, Trump, China, Brexit etc etc, but we are making a mess of our economic potential. Some things we can control some things we cannot. Not shooting yourself in the head is one thing we can avoid. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 18:42:50 GMT
More good news from the Eurozone. "Investor confidence has plummeted to a four-year low in the Eurozone, with a sixth consecutive monthly fall in the Sentix index taking it to its lowest level since November 2014. Sentix said Eurozone growth was “weaking dangerously quickly and strongly.” Meanwhile Germany’s investor morale dropped to its lowest level since August 2012 in a separate index as it teeters on the brink of recession… Naturally Brexit is being blamed, despite the UK currently having higher investor confidence and the fastest growing European economy in the G7. It’s one thing for underperforming companies to use Brexit as an excuse for their poor results. It’s quite another for underperforming EU countries to use it as an excuse for why they’re doing worse than the UK…" Now that the ECB has stopped their QE programme, the Eurozone countries are beginning to feel the pinch. The QE programme didn't generate growth as intended, but just enabled them to keep their heads above the water. Investor confidence in the Eurozone plummetsThis is all pretty much true. But really we should be concentrating how we are going to get out of the mess we are in. Yes the world economy is slowing, Trump, China, Brexit etc etc, but we are making a mess of our economic potential. Some things we can control some things we cannot. Not shooting yourself in the head is one thing we can avoid. It's the politicians causing the problems. If business were left to it, everything would be fine. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 19:52:18 GMT
This is all pretty much true. But really we should be concentrating how we are going to get out of the mess we are in. Yes the world economy is slowing, Trump, China, Brexit etc etc, but we are making a mess of our economic potential. Some things we can control some things we cannot. Not shooting yourself in the head is one thing we can avoid. It's the politicians causing the problems. If business were left to it, everything would be fine. Maybe. But we cannot just ignore where we are. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 19:56:17 GMT
It's the politicians causing the problems. If business were left to it, everything would be fine. Maybe. But we cannot just ignore where we are. <iframe width="26.579999999999927" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 26.579999999999927px; height: 4.840000000000003px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_11302109" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="26.579999999999927" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 26.58px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1266px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_11191201" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="26.579999999999927" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 26.58px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 181px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_95042073" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="26.579999999999927" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 26.58px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1266px; top: 181px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_65653923" scrolling="no"></iframe> There is nothing we (the public) can do about it right now. |
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