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Post by William Wilson on Feb 20, 2019 11:27:25 GMT
Is this all part of her master plan? Or all part of a major f**k up on her part for speaking out? Either way, as it stands the correct decision has been made by the Home Secretary. Hopefully the country can stop speaking about this despicable human being now. There are still words that need to be spoken, like, "with a magazine of twenty rounds, load!" I`ve passed this on to her lawyer, Mr G Hadee. Now you`re for it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 11:44:45 GMT
Because there are more white people in the country you donut!! Child benefit is given to all parents no matter what their ethnicity or financial status so the child benefit stat you used is a red herring....I suppose it's just a coincidence that Sikhs and Hindus have far more positive stats than Islamic community? Not a statistically minded person are you. It's done as a % of demographic you bagel. White British was also higher for non income related benefits I.e your child benefit. Why not stick to what you are good at and stay away from any of the factual driven discussion? Its pathetic isn't it. But par for the course for people of his ilk. I disagree with the Home Secretary Taking the libertarian view he has to stick to the rule of law. The only way he has acted legally is if the lady in question has Bangladeshi citizenship. That issue seems to be clouded by the fact that she was born here and is a bona fide UK citizen but of a Bangladeshi mother and as such is ENTITLED to Bangladeshi citizenship, but does she have it? Apparently she has never even been there. I take the view its a dark day in hell when a government starts pandering to populist hysteria and breaks the law to deny, or strip, a UK citizen of their citizenship based upon their political viewpoints. If such a person has broken the law then absolutely, bring them to justice. Nothing more, nothing less. I think some of the attempted "humour" about Bangladeshi's in general and a human being specifically are distasteful at best, pathetic and demeaning to the authors at next best. As the great Edmund Burke said all those years ago You know who you are
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 13:26:26 GMT
There are still words that need to be spoken, like, "with a magazine of twenty rounds, load!" I`ve passed this on to her lawyer, Mr G Hadee. Now you`re for it. Pah, it just looks as though I'll need a thirty round magazine !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 13:29:33 GMT
Not a statistically minded person are you. It's done as a % of demographic you bagel. White British was also higher for non income related benefits I.e your child benefit. Why not stick to what you are good at and stay away from any of the factual driven discussion? Its pathetic isn't it. But par for the course for people of his ilk. I disagree with the Home Secretary Taking the libertarian view he has to stick to the rule of law. The only way he has acted legally is if the lady in question has Bangladeshi citizenship. That issue seems to be clouded by the fact that she was born here and is a bona fide UK citizen but of a Bangladeshi mother and as such is ENTITLED to Bangladeshi citizenship, but does she have it? Apparently she has never even been there. I take the view its a dark day in hell when a government starts pandering to populist hysteria and breaks the law to deny, or strip, a UK citizen of their citizenship based upon their political viewpoints. If such a person has broken the law then absolutely, bring them to justice. Nothing more, nothing less. I think some of the attempted "humour" about Bangladeshi's in general and a human being specifically are distasteful at best, pathetic and demeaning to the authors at next best. As the great Edmund Burke said all those years ago You know who you are Oldie - Are you volunteering to accompany Dixon of Dock Green into Syria to take witness statements and collect evidence? If not you, then who?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 20, 2019 13:38:56 GMT
I`ve passed this on to her lawyer, Mr G Hadee. Now you`re for it. Pah, it just looks as though I'll need a thirty round magazine ! Wasting a lot of bullets there Nobby.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 13:40:29 GMT
Pah, it just looks as though I'll need a thirty round magazine ! Wasting a lot of bullets there Nobby. Oh no, it wouldn't be a waste.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 14:00:57 GMT
Here's a good comment I heard today...
"She wants to come home to protect her child. I'd prefer it if she stayed where she was to protect all the children in the UK".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 14:14:57 GMT
Its pathetic isn't it. But par for the course for people of his ilk. I disagree with the Home Secretary Taking the libertarian view he has to stick to the rule of law. The only way he has acted legally is if the lady in question has Bangladeshi citizenship. That issue seems to be clouded by the fact that she was born here and is a bona fide UK citizen but of a Bangladeshi mother and as such is ENTITLED to Bangladeshi citizenship, but does she have it? Apparently she has never even been there. I take the view its a dark day in hell when a government starts pandering to populist hysteria and breaks the law to deny, or strip, a UK citizen of their citizenship based upon their political viewpoints. If such a person has broken the law then absolutely, bring them to justice. Nothing more, nothing less. I think some of the attempted "humour" about Bangladeshi's in general and a human being specifically are distasteful at best, pathetic and demeaning to the authors at next best. As the great Edmund Burke said all those years ago You know who you are Oldie - Are you volunteering to accompany Dixon of Dock Green into Syria to take witness statements and collect evidence? If not you, then who? If the CPS deem that we cannot produce the evidence then under our rule of law there is no case to answer. Simple as. Individually, as citizens, we do not have the constitutional right to decide she is guilty. I note the "jokes" about shooting her. Not sure that's legal either, threatening violence (I know you are joking?) As an aside I smile that on other issues many on here, like you, rage about the EU interference over our laws yet are quite happy to see them broken when breaking them panders to opinion. I listened to an interesting opinion on "precedent" this morning. In the instance that we tear up a UK citizens rights like this, what is to stop a country who we want to repatriate one of their citizens to doing the same and preventing us doing so?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 20, 2019 15:08:21 GMT
Surely she tore up her own citizenship when she went to join the side at war against us?
It's no good blaming politicians or the general public.
She made her bed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 15:14:17 GMT
Surely she tore up her own citizenship when she went to join the side at war against us? It's no good blaming politicians or the general public. She made her bed. Legally, no she did not tear up anything. She is a UK citizen, in law. On a niggling point I think it's moot to say we go to a foreign country with whom we are not at war with and get involved in a region wide insurrection and say they are at war with us?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 20, 2019 15:21:52 GMT
Surely she tore up her own citizenship when she went to join the side at war against us? It's no good blaming politicians or the general public. She made her bed. Legally, no she did not tear up anything. She is a UK citizen, in law. On a niggling point I think it's moot to say we go to a foreign country with whom we are not at war with and get involved in a region wide insurrection and say they are at war with us? Not anymore she isn't! She a Bangladesh citizen now I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 15:59:03 GMT
Surely she tore up her own citizenship when she went to join the side at war against us? It's no good blaming politicians or the general public. She made her bed. Legally, no she did not tear up anything. She is a UK citizen, in law. On a niggling point I think it's moot to say we go to a foreign country with whom we are not at war with and get involved in a region wide insurrection and say they are at war with us? It is pretty clear from her interviews, that if ISIS were winning their war of genocide that she would be happy to stay there. She accepts the beheadings, the burnings alive, throwing gay people from buildings, rape, slavery etc etc. She was happy to accept all of that if it were carried out in the name of Islam. If it's sympathy she wants she can find it in the dictionary between sh** and syphillis.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 16:04:37 GMT
Legally, no she did not tear up anything. She is a UK citizen, in law. On a niggling point I think it's moot to say we go to a foreign country with whom we are not at war with and get involved in a region wide insurrection and say they are at war with us? Not anymore she isn't! She a Bangladesh citizen now I guess. If she is not a Bangladeshi citizen (and I suspect not) then the home Secretary is in breach of international law. Unless you can show me that is not true then I cannot understand how you can support a government breaking the law. This guy puts it well. Sir Philip Pullman, CBE, FRSL (born 19 October 1946), is an English novelist. He is the author of several best-selling books, including the fantasy trilogy His Dark Materialsand the fictionalised biography of Jesus, The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ. In 2008, The Times named Pullman one of the "50 greatest British writers since 1945".[1] In a 2004 poll for the BBC, Pullman was named the eleventh most influential person in British culture.[2][3] He said Check out @philippullman’s Tweet: Quite.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 16:08:14 GMT
Surely she tore up her own citizenship when she went to join the side at war against us? It's no good blaming politicians or the general public. She made her bed. That's the trouble now, the sensible thing has been done to protect our country which has been very widely applauded (even though the Home Secretary is breaking the law ) but we have the usual anti-tories now desperately coming up with all sorts of claims how this is now unjust.
These people don't give a sh** about the actual issue now, we all know that they know it's the correct decision, unfortunately now their desperate arguments all filter down to anti-tory sentiment, completely abandoning the issue in question. It really is pathetic to read, hence why I'll be leaving this thread now!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 16:09:57 GMT
Not anymore she isn't! She a Bangladesh citizen now I guess. If she is not a Bangladeshi citizen (and I suspect not) then the home Secretary is in breach of international law. Unless you can show me that is not true then I cannot understand how you can support a government breaking the law. This guy puts it well. Sir Philip Pullman, CBE, FRSL (born 19 October 1946), is an English novelist. He is the author of several best-selling books, including the fantasy trilogy His Dark Materialsand the fictionalised biography of Jesus, The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ. In 2008, The Times named Pullman one of the "50 greatest British writers since 1945".[1] In a 2004 poll for the BBC, Pullman was named the eleventh most influential person in British culture.[2][3] He said Check out @philippullman’s Tweet: Quite. Not ponder to loud vengeful voices on the right? Why do people always try to turn things around like this? Hugo, did you know that you are now classified a right-wing?
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Post by William Wilson on Feb 20, 2019 16:14:00 GMT
Not a statistically minded person are you. It's done as a % of demographic you bagel. White British was also higher for non income related benefits I.e your child benefit. Why not stick to what you are good at and stay away from any of the factual driven discussion? That issue seems to be clouded by the fact that she was born here and is a bona fide UK citizen but of a Bangladeshi mother and as such is ENTITLED to Bangladeshi citizenship, but does she have it? Apparently she has never even been there. She grew up in Bethnal Green. Once she gets used to the heat, she`ll be fine.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 16:17:48 GMT
That issue seems to be clouded by the fact that she was born here and is a bona fide UK citizen but of a Bangladeshi mother and as such is ENTITLED to Bangladeshi citizenship, but does she have it? Apparently she has never even been there. She grew up in Bethnal Green. Once she gets used to the heat, she`ll be fine. Jesus Christ. Anyway, again eloquently put and probably exposes the true motivation of one politician as Stuart hinted at earlier Javid’s decision on Shamima Begum demeans his office flip.it/p6Q28O
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 20, 2019 16:19:11 GMT
According to Sky this morning, the theory behind this is that Bangladesh has a clause in its constitution that states anyone born of Bangladeshi parents is automatically a Bangladeshi citizen.
If that is true then she is a dual national by default and won't be stateless.
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Post by William Wilson on Feb 20, 2019 16:24:30 GMT
She grew up in Bethnal Green. Once she gets used to the heat, she`ll be fine. Jesus Christ. Don`t go invoking his name in front of her, Oldie.
Your head will be in her waste bin, before you can say Thomas More.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 20, 2019 16:58:15 GMT
Not anymore she isn't! She a Bangladesh citizen now I guess. If she is not a Bangladeshi citizen (and I suspect not) then the home Secretary is in breach of international law. Unless you can show me that is not true then I cannot understand how you can support a government breaking the law. This guy puts it well. Sir Philip Pullman, CBE, FRSL (born 19 October 1946), is an English novelist. He is the author of several best-selling books, including the fantasy trilogy His Dark Materialsand the fictionalised biography of Jesus, The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ. In 2008, The Times named Pullman one of the "50 greatest British writers since 1945".[1] In a 2004 poll for the BBC, Pullman was named the eleventh most influential person in British culture.[2][3] He said Check out @philippullman’s Tweet: Quite. By Clive Coleman, BBC legal correspondent Under Bangladesh law, a UK national like Ms Begum who is born to a Bangladeshi parent is automatically a Bangladeshi citizen. That means that such a person would have dual nationality. However, their Bangladeshi nationality and citizenship lapses when they reach the age of 21, unless they make active efforts to retain it. So, it is Ms Begum's age, 19, that is likely - in part - to have given Home Office lawyers and the home secretary reassurance there was a legal basis for stripping her of her UK citizenship. Assuming the BBC is a reasonable source, no laws have been broken.
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