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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 20, 2019 13:38:01 GMT
I'd vote for a reasonable, centerist party. But this is not really a Centerist Party is it........it's more a collection of people who either a/ want to overturn the result of the referendum, and b/ people who are sick to the back teeth with the direction that Labour have taken. Well I don't care for the direction Labour has taken and I'm not particularly keen on us leaving the EU either so.... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 13:39:47 GMT
But this is not really a Centerist Party is it........it's more a collection of people who either a/ want to overturn the result of the referendum, and b/ people who are sick to the back teeth with the direction that Labour have taken. Well I don't care for the direction Labour has taken and I'm not particularly keen on us leaving the EU either so.... <iframe width="35.1400000000001" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 35.1400000000001px; height: 4.840000000000003px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_70320099" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="35.1400000000001" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 35.14px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1685px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_46453293" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="35.1400000000001" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 35.14px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 181px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_89499495" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="35.1400000000001" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 35.14px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1685px; top: 181px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_93414231" scrolling="no"></iframe> There you go then. You've found a group to vote for......good luck  Chukka's yer man! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 14:02:15 GMT
Count me in on that. Would love a couple of principled leave believing MPs to join the group to expand the debate.You mean in the same way that Corbyn was added to the list of potential Labour leaders? Wasn't that done to 'widen the debate'. That turned out well didn't it ! Not sure what relevance Corbyn has to this considering the shambles he has lead the Labour Party into. My point is that any true centrist party must have a policy debate which encompasses all view points and concludes on evidence. Something sadly missing from the current Tory and Labour ranks. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 14:07:36 GMT
You mean in the same way that Corbyn was added to the list of potential Labour leaders? Wasn't that done to 'widen the debate'. That turned out well didn't it ! Not sure what relevance Corbyn has to this considering the shambles he has lead the Labour Party into. My point is that any true centrist party must have a policy debate which encompasses all view points and concludes on evidence. Something sadly missing from the current Tory and Labour ranks. That's not going to happen though is it ! It's becoming a home for those that want to overturn the referendum result. That can only end badly I feel. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 14:21:54 GMT
Not sure what relevance Corbyn has to this considering the shambles he has lead the Labour Party into. My point is that any true centrist party must have a policy debate which encompasses all view points and concludes on evidence. Something sadly missing from the current Tory and Labour ranks. That's not going to happen though is it ! It's becoming a home for those that want to overturn the referendum result. That can only end badly I feel. I don't know to be honest. But the Brexit debate is becoming more nuanced than the Rees Mogg led leave at all costs to the stay as if nothing has changed view from the Lib Dems. A lot has come out and whether people like you and I agree or not there can be no doubt people are far better informed. I would like to see this newly informed view properly represented. Neither the Tories nor Labour have the dexterity to do this. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 19:06:17 GMT
I thought the three Tories were very damming of the Tory Party, claiming it's been hijacked by the right.
The mirror image of the Labour Party, which has been hijacked by the left.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 19:14:15 GMT
I thought the three Tories were very damming of the Tory Party, claiming it's been hijacked by the right. The mirror image of the Labour Party, which has been hijacked by the left. Leave it out fer chrissakes. The Tories have not been hi-jacked by the right. It is in no way the mirror image of the Labour disaster. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 19:28:15 GMT
I thought the three Tories were very damming of the Tory Party, claiming it's been hijacked by the right. The mirror image of the Labour Party, which has been hijacked by the left. Leave it out fer chrissakes. The Tories have not been hi-jacked by the right. It is in no way the mirror image of the Labour disaster. Well not according to the three MPs. I am watching a minister now from the Government, Tobias Ellwood, actually stating that the ERG have done exactly that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 19:38:00 GMT
watering myself here.
The idiot Hatton has just been suspended from the Labour Party just a couple of days after being re admitted.
Can they be this incompetent, really?
Rumour has it cat girl George may be back.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 19:42:51 GMT
Leave it out fer chrissakes. The Tories have not been hi-jacked by the right. It is in no way the mirror image of the Labour disaster. Well not according to the three MPs. I am watching a minister now from the Government, Tobias Ellwood, actually stating that the ERG have done exactly that. The ERG are actually the only group representing the 17.4 million Leave voters ! |
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Post by trevorgas on Feb 20, 2019 19:52:27 GMT
watering myself here. The idiot Hatton has just been suspended from the Labour Party just a couple of days after being re admitted. Can they be this incompetent, really? Rumour has it cat girl George may be back. 🤣🤣🤣 The level of incompetence is breathtaking however,there is a significant problem here. The major party's are full of self serving MPs and completely out of touch with the population,as more of us become disenfranchised I fear for our democracy as it opens the door for extremists on both the left and right. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 19:52:47 GMT
Well not according to the three MPs. I am watching a minister now from the Government, Tobias Ellwood, actually stating that the ERG have done exactly that. The ERG are actually the only group representing the 17.4 million Leave voters ! I wish they were. In reality they represent an ideological commitment to style of economic and social administration which they would not dare to put to the test of an election as an individual party, so they have hijacked the Referendum result to further their aims. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 19:53:30 GMT
watering myself here. The idiot Hatton has just been suspended from the Labour Party just a couple of days after being re admitted. Can they be this incompetent, really? Rumour has it cat girl George may be back. 🤣🤣🤣 The level of incompetence is breathtaking however,there is a significant problem here. The major party's are full of self serving MPs and completely out of touch with the population,as more of us become disenfranchised I fear for our democracy as it opens the door for extremists on both the left and right. I completely agree. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 20, 2019 19:56:05 GMT
I thought the three Tories were very damming of the Tory Party, claiming it's been hijacked by the right. The mirror image of the Labour Party, which has been hijacked by the left. Leave it out fer chrissakes. The Tories have not been hi-jacked by the right. It is in no way the mirror image of the Labour disaster. Pretty sure that's the 3 MPs words and not Oldies. They blamed ERG, UKIPIZATION and the far right of the Tory party. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 20:00:58 GMT
The ERG are actually the only group representing the 17.4 million Leave voters ! I wish they were. In reality they represent an ideological commitment to style of economic and social administration which they would not dare to put to the test of an election as an individual party, so they have hijacked the Referendum result to further their aims. Ummm, no. The ERG are all back benchers. The group has been around since the nineties. I think the name, European Research Group indicates what their level of interest is. They support Brexit and not May's BRINO deal. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 20, 2019 20:14:36 GMT
I wish they were. In reality they represent an ideological commitment to style of economic and social administration which they would not dare to put to the test of an election as an individual party, so they have hijacked the Referendum result to further their aims. Ummm, no. The ERG are all back benchers. The group has been around since the nineties. I think the name, European Research Group indicates what their level of interest is. They support Brexit and not May's BRINO deal. The ERG are a party within a party. They have their own chief whip and funding. They support "A" Brexit, not one articulated by the main leave campaigners in 2016. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 20:45:27 GMT
I wish they were. In reality they represent an ideological commitment to style of economic and social administration which they would not dare to put to the test of an election as an individual party, so they have hijacked the Referendum result to further their aims. Ummm, no. The ERG are all back benchers. The group has been around since the nineties. I think the name, European Research Group indicates what their level of interest is. They support Brexit and not May's BRINO deal. Come on Nobby Their ideology has been around for decades. They just now have the opportunity they have been craving, with a combination of the referendum result and a weak PM snared in a minority government. |
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Post by aghast on Feb 20, 2019 23:53:14 GMT
I thought the three Tories were very damming of the Tory Party, claiming it's been hijacked by the right. The mirror image of the Labour Party, which has been hijacked by the left. Leave it out fer chrissakes. The Tories have not been hi-jacked by the right. It is in no way the mirror image of the Labour disaster. The Tories have been hijacked by the Right since 1812 when they shamelessly stole the name for their new alliance. |
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Post by peterparker on Feb 21, 2019 6:30:07 GMT
Ummm, no. The ERG are all back benchers. The group has been around since the nineties. I think the name, European Research Group indicates what their level of interest is. They support Brexit and not May's BRINO deal. Come on Nobby Their ideology has been around for decades. They just now have the opportunity they have been craving, with a combination of the referendum result and a weak PM snared in a minority government. Quite. The stars have alligned for them with the referendum result, Mays failed GE bid and a worthless opposition |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 19:46:44 GMT
 Former Labour MPs showed 'lack of loyalty', says man who voted against party leadership 428 times: |
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Chukka's yer man!
