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Post by warehamgas on Mar 5, 2019 11:26:18 GMT
Thanks for the info roady. Let’s hope we do get to Wembley and we do survive. I’ll say it’s 50/50 at the moment but if we do survive then THD and JCH and Bonham will have helped us do so. Don’t take the criticism personally, at the moment being 21st there has to be a reason and recruitment comes pretty high up on the list. I’ve been happy with what TW has done. The only poor signing has been SP and as that signing was right at the end it was a panic signing so likely not to be his. Thanks for the insight.
UTG!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 5, 2019 11:27:55 GMT
Re his son, I guess this is called nepetism, we’ve seen it before with the Johnson’s and Clough’s but are we hanging a bloke on a £500 a week wage or so? Clough played for England and Liverpool, I know it's hard to judge people you're close to like that, but it would have been mad to let him go just coz he was the son of the manager. Presumably there are other people around to give their views so that you're not second-guessing yourself all the time, when it comes to family members. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 11:31:04 GMT
Thanks for the info roady. Let’s hope we do get to Wembley and we do survive. I’ll say it’s 50/50 at the moment but if we do survive then THD and JCH and Bonham will have helped us do so. Don’t take the criticism personally, at the moment being 21st there has to be a reason and recruitment comes pretty high up on the list. I’ve been happy with what TW has done. The only poor signing has been SP and as that signing was right at the end it was a panic signing so likely not to be his. Thanks for the insight. UTG! Thanks mate, but look at the budget.......slocombe couldn’t get a game at Lincoln nor Mensah (signed before TW) and Smith is hopeless. 3 right backs, Parts, Clarke Leads, all DC deals and why waste budget on Leads? 6 centre halves, 6 central midfielders, Sincs injury record was clear to see. We wasted so much budget on average mediocre resignings, what level do a lot of the above go next? Too much loyalty in the summer cost DC his job |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 11:32:45 GMT
Re his son, I guess this is called nepetism, we’ve seen it before with the Johnson’s and Clough’s but are we hanging a bloke on a £500 a week wage or so? Clough played for England and Liverpool, I know it's hard to judge people you're close to like that, but it would have been mad to let him go just coz he was the son of the manager. Presumably there are other people around to give their views so that you're not second-guessing yourself all the time, when it comes to family members. All fair comments but what happens if Widdrington makes it? His wage is pittance and if he did make it would TW be applauded? It’s not like Pulis who took his some in his mid twenties to every club he went to! |
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Post by lympstonegas on Mar 5, 2019 11:38:55 GMT
Just to clarify I’m not hiding behind a user name in my pants in my bedroom. I’m Paul Colley, as I said a lot know me on here anyway having played for the forum side. Got a suit on heading into London on the train, no Banned word hiding behind a user name making sly digs. I hope some of you have changed your pants. Roadman is back..... Roadman is back...,., |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 11:50:14 GMT
I thought I would come back and post on the destroy the club and slag off the board forum. Let’s start with a man ridculed on this forum, Tommy Widdrington. Tommy got on well with Robert Rowan at Brentford who sadly passed away at 28 this year. It’s was this connection which gave us Bonham who we could have signed for free when he first joined but our management said no. He was asked to find a full back, he found Tariq Holmes Dennis. DC wanted a holding midfield player, Upson and Ogogo were put to him by Tommy and Coughlan backed up Ogogo but we got Upson. Ogogo was brilliant at Southend and we saw how good he was Saturday playing in his disciplined role and not a headless chicken. We now come to the crap upfront who had only scored 5 goals in Div1 before he signed for us. Thank god we never had a forum when Gerry Francis replaced Penrice with a right back from Stoke. Carl Saunders fired us to the Div1 title. And Jonson’s 3 goal salvo in my opinion Saturday was a taste of what is to come and more. Stefan Payne, Tommy told DC it’s wasn’t his choice, Paul Hurst told Darrell to sign him. Do you know who signed Nicholls? who again thank god Coughlan has worked a formula out to play him correctly.......Marcus Stewart. Marcus rated him at Exeter and went for him over Lyle Taylor who we agreed a fee on as well. So the man ridiculed on this forum, I look at Bonham, THD, Ogogo ans JCH and see 4 players who will keep us us but we can’t apppaud Tommy or the club. What does Tommy do? So, rather than destroy the post and slag off the board (your words), you thought you'd just post to slag off the most successful manager in our recent history by being selective (who knows if you are accurate too?) about his signings? Ok. I find it hard to believe that you can state that THD, a good signing, was nothing to do with DC, yet Payne, a bad signing, was everything to do with DC. We don't know yet whether Ogogo is better than Upson, or Sinclair for that matter. He may be, but we don't know yet. What proof do you have that we could have signed Bonham? What proof do you have that we signed Nichols over Lyle Taylor? Sounds unlikely given that they are very different players and as we were looking to replace Matty Taylor, Nichols would have been the more obvious choice. We wouldn't have needed Lyle Taylor while we had Harrison anyway. Sorry, some of this may be true, I don't know. But it doesn't stack up for me. By all means give credit to Tommy Widdrington. Quite right. I'm sure he's had a strong influence on our signings since he arrived, but to use this as a vehicle to criticise the previous manager smacks of an agenda to me. |
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Post by Jomo on Mar 5, 2019 11:54:57 GMT
Ah Roadman returns.
I agree that the criticism of TW is way over the top. But the way you do it by simultaneously criticising and belittling DC just leaves me feeling that what could have been a good post has been soured by bias.
DC, TW and GC are all good guys, and did or are doing their best for the club. None are terrible yet none are above criticism. Balanced views are what is needed and in short supply on here.
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Post by stapletongas on Mar 5, 2019 12:06:25 GMT
Paul, what’s with prawn sandwiching it in the seats? Get back on the terraces 😉👍
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 12:22:23 GMT
Sorry if I have come across knocking DC.
I feel he was right to listen to Marcus Stewart on Nicholls and it’s Nicholls now in my opinion who is our most dangerous starting player, he links up so much.
I am just saying TW was getting stick because of our league position when he never recommended and signed all the players.
The previous manager did so much for us and I’m sorry I’ve come across and used him to defend TW.
Stapleton, Ian, better view in the stand and after a 100 mile drive to games I know if the M4 has played up no one is stood in my place!
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Post by Jomo on Mar 5, 2019 12:57:48 GMT
Sorry if I have come across knocking DC. I feel he was right to listen to Marcus Stewart on Nicholls and it’s Nicholls now in my opinion who is our most dangerous starting player, he links up so much. I am just saying TW was getting stick because of our league position when he never recommended and signed all the players. The previous manager did so much for us and I’m sorry I’ve come across and used him to defend TW. Stapleton, Ian, better view in the stand and after a 100 mile drive to games I know if the M4 has played up no one is stood in my place! Fair points and I agree with you on the TW points. DC also made mistakes granted but your OP seemed over the top in criticising DC as a device for defending TW. They no doubt worked together as a team and made some good signings but also some not so good. Let's hope it all works out well and we stay up. |
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Post by axegas on Mar 5, 2019 12:58:50 GMT
Let’s be honest though, the fact that we are 21st in the league signals to me that our transfer policy hasn’t been the best over the last couple of years. I know a lot of that is down to losing Taylor, Bodin, Harrison etc but I’m sure no one on here is going to argue that we replaced any of those adequately. If TW is behind our more successful signings and didn’t have anything to do with signing the likes of Payne and Bennett then fair enough but it just highlights to me that we should be trusting the opinion of our head scout more often rather than going on the word of others and we should also be giving TW a good budget at his disposal so when we see a gem like Bonham, we can sign them straight away. This summer will be interesting to see who we sign and how they can change the fortunes of the team, then we will be able to make a proper verdict on TW imo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 13:00:21 GMT
Sorry if I have come across knocking DC. I feel he was right to listen to Marcus Stewart on Nicholls and it’s Nicholls now in my opinion who is our most dangerous starting player, he links up so much. I am just saying TW was getting stick because of our league position when he never recommended and signed all the players. The previous manager did so much for us and I’m sorry I’ve come across and used him to defend TW. Stapleton, Ian, better view in the stand and after a 100 mile drive to games I know if the M4 has played up no one is stood in my place! Fair enough. I agree that it is wrong to criticise Widdrington for our league position. For me, there is no one single person who bears responsibility for that. The players, the two managers we've had this season and the board have all made mistakes at various stages and contributed towards it to varying degrees. Who bears most responsibility however is a whole new debate...one probably best left until the end of the season! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 13:09:28 GMT
Let’s be honest though, the fact that we are 21st in the league signals to me that our transfer policy hasn’t been the best over the last couple of years. I know a lot of that is down to losing Taylor, Bodin, Harrison etc but I’m sure no one on here is going to argue that we replaced any of those adequately. If TW is behind our more successful signings and didn’t have anything to do with signing the likes of Payne and Bennett then fair enough but it just highlights to me that we should be trusting the opinion of our head scout more often rather than going on the word of others and we should also be giving TW a good budget at his disposal so when we see a gem like Bonham, we can sign them straight away. This summer will be interesting to see who we sign and how they can change the fortunes of the team, then we will be able to make a proper verdict on TW imo. A really good post and some good points made, I think TW was behind the Bennett signing by the way. He has very close links with all the south coast clubs, it’s why we got Matthews and nearly got Sam Surridge which he worked on that deal a lot but they want to see him themselves now. I’ve said all season if Payne, Nicholls and Bennett had 6/7 more goals between them before DC left we would have been mid table. Oxford are one win from 13th place this weekend, those 6/7 goals would have replaced Bodin, Ellis and Taylor because we’ve always been mid table at this level under DC |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 13:10:02 GMT
Well done for doing the job you are paid to do! 👏
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 13:10:45 GMT
No mention of Bakayoko- coincidence?
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 5, 2019 13:11:50 GMT
If we assume TW only had any impact, signings wise, since the summer this seems to be the list of players we've signed
Bonham
THD
Upson
Mathhews
Rodman
Payne
Reilly
Jakubiak
Ogogo
JCH
I sense the OP's getting a bit carried away after Saturday's win if he thinks those players have all been good signings. Upson, Rodman, Matthews, Payne Reilly and Jakubiak have all struggled to hold down a place in a bottom 4 side and we didn't even see THD until around the half way point of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 13:17:05 GMT
Let’s be honest though, the fact that we are 21st in the league signals to me that our transfer policy hasn’t been the best over the last couple of years. I know a lot of that is down to losing Taylor, Bodin, Harrison etc but I’m sure no one on here is going to argue that we replaced any of those adequately. If TW is behind our more successful signings and didn’t have anything to do with signing the likes of Payne and Bennett then fair enough but it just highlights to me that we should be trusting the opinion of our head scout more often rather than going on the word of others and we should also be giving TW a good budget at his disposal so when we see a gem like Bonham, we can sign them straight away. This summer will be interesting to see who we sign and how they can change the fortunes of the team, then we will be able to make a proper verdict on TW imo. A really good post and some good points made, I think TW was behind the Bennett signing by the way. He has very close links with all the south coast clubs, it’s why we got Matthews and nearly got Sam Surridge which he worked on that deal a lot but they want to see him themselves now. I’ve said all season if Payne, Nicholls and Bennett had 6/7 more goals between them before DC left we would have been mid table. Oxford are one win from 13th place this weekend, those 6/7 goals would have replaced Bodin, Ellis and Taylor because we’ve always been mid table at this level under DC Bennett and Mathews were/are poor signings, so the full picture is that he has been behind some potentially good ones and some not so good ones. Average, in other words. I'd personally judt like to see a bit more variation in where our players come from, 2 from Coventry and a lucky escape from Bakayoko who seems to have been on coventry's radar is not exactly a glowing reference for his contacts list, signing his own son etc. So personally I'll wait and see what happens when he runs out of players associated with coventry to sign! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 13:42:34 GMT
If we assume TW only had any impact, signings wise, since the summer this seems to be the list of players we've signed Bonham THD Upson Mathhews Rodman Payne Reilly Jakubiak Ogogo JCH I sense the OP's getting a bit carried away after Saturday's win if he thinks those players have all been good signings. Upson, Rodman, Matthews, Payne Reilly and Jakubiak have all struggled to hold down a place in a bottom 4 side and we didn't even see THD until around the half way point of the season. THD first thing Cogs did was say at Sunderland the lad needed fitness so he threw him in, he hadn’t played before! Rodman has only had a run since Cogs came in Watford demanded Jaks back and he was going back under DC and then we saw what he could do in the Checkatrade in games and at Oxford. Again Cogs first thing he did was start him at Sunderland whose fans were saying they should sign him! The form table doesn’t lie and we are on form if this continues will stay up, I also agree with the bookies who think we will beat the drop. |
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Post by paulpirate on Mar 5, 2019 13:53:15 GMT
I thought I would come back and post on the destroy the club and slag off the board forum. Let’s start with a man ridculed on this forum, Tommy Widdrington. Tommy got on well with Robert Rowan at Brentford who sadly passed away at 28 this year. It’s was this connection which gave us Bonham who we could have signed for free when he first joined but our management said no. He was asked to find a full back, he found Tariq Holmes Dennis. DC wanted a holding midfield player, Upson and Ogogo were put to him by Tommy and Coughlan backed up Ogogo but we got Upson. Ogogo was brilliant at Southend and we saw how good he was Saturday playing in his disciplined role and not a headless chicken. We now come to the crap upfront who had only scored 5 goals in Div1 before he signed for us. Thank god we never had a forum when Gerry Francis replaced Penrice with a right back from Stoke. Carl Saunders fired us to the Div1 title. And Jonson’s 3 goal salvo in my opinion Saturday was a taste of what is to come and more. Stefan Payne, Tommy told DC it’s wasn’t his choice, Paul Hurst told Darrell to sign him. Do you know who signed Nicholls? who again thank god Coughlan has worked a formula out to play him correctly.......Marcus Stewart. Marcus rated him at Exeter and went for him over Lyle Taylor who we agreed a fee on as well. So the man ridiculed on this forum, I look at Bonham, THD, Ogogo ans JCH and see 4 players who will keep us us but we can’t apppaud Tommy or the club. What does Tommy do? calm down tommy |
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