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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 6, 2020 22:07:10 GMT
Our recruitment under DC was terrible for the large part. GC really reaped the rewards of Tommy’s work and BG will too. His knowledge is first class. Jesus. Are they drugging you or something? Depends... If you would you call Adam Smith, Sam Slocombe, Tom Nichols, Stefan Payne, Bernard Mensah, Kyle Bennett, Gavin Reilly, Jonny Burn, Joe Martin, Byron Moore to name a few, all good signings post promotion to L1 good and when DC had a good budget to make signings, then maybe you are on stronger drugs than I. Because I watched all of them, and they were/are terrible or poor value for money. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 22:17:38 GMT
Jesus. Are they drugging you or something? Depends... If you would you call Adam Smith, Sam Slocombe, Tom Nichols, Stefan Payne, Bernard Mensah, Kyle Bennett, Gavin Reilly, Jonny Burn, Joe Martin, Byron Moore to name a few, all good signings post promotion to L1 good and when DC had a good budget to make signings, then maybe you are on stronger drugs than I. Because I watched all of them, and they were/are terrible or poor value for money. Sir Alex, who is probably the best manager ever in the UK once said that if a world class manager had a 65% success rate in the transfer market then he is doing really well. Now, that world class manager probably has a world class scouting system, yet Sir Alex reckons 65% is good. Now, how about you list the successful signings made by DC, who didn't have any scouting system in place. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 6, 2020 22:29:46 GMT
Depends... If you would you call Adam Smith, Sam Slocombe, Tom Nichols, Stefan Payne, Bernard Mensah, Kyle Bennett, Gavin Reilly, Jonny Burn, Joe Martin, Byron Moore to name a few, all good signings post promotion to L1 good and when DC had a good budget to make signings, then maybe you are on stronger drugs than I. Because I watched all of them, and they were/are terrible or poor value for money. Sir Alex, who is probably the best manager ever in the UK once said that if a world class manager had a 65% success rate in the transfer market then he is doing really well. Now, that world class manager probably has a world class scouting system, yet Sir Alex reckons 65% is good. Now, how about you list the successful signings made by DC, who didn't have any scouting system in place. Problem for DC was that all of his bad signings, were over the same period. Like you say, every manager will make some bad signings. When he brought player's in on free transfers, on short term contracts, he had loads of success. When he had money to spend our got to give out long term deals, he struggled. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 22:59:18 GMT
Jesus. Are they drugging you or something? Depends... If you would you call Adam Smith, Sam Slocombe, Tom Nichols, Stefan Payne, Bernard Mensah, Kyle Bennett, Gavin Reilly, Jonny Burn, Joe Martin, Byron Moore to name a few, all good signings post promotion to L1 good and when DC had a good budget to make signings, then maybe you are on stronger drugs than I. Because I watched all of them, and they were/are terrible or poor value for money. Joe Martin was a loan signing, from memory, and he did ok. Not great, but ok. I'd argue that Slocombe fell into that ok bracket too. No, I wouldn't say many of these were good signings though. Bennett and Nichols are good players for whom it hasn't worked out, and I agree that on balance they would fall into your category of poor value for money. However, he made some very good signings post promotion too. If you claim Martin as a poor loan, I'll have Lumley, Bonham and Sweeney as good ones. I'd also say that Craig was an absolutely brilliant free transfer, Sercombe has largely been quality and certainly good value for £150k, Upson remains a key player for us now, Rodman has done well for us, THD is quality, albeit blighted by injury, Partington was on balance a decent if not spectacular signing. Let's not forget he also sold Taylor, Bodin, Harrison and Brown in this period but had a fraction of their value with which to replace them, so the probability of replacing them with players of the same standard was low. The argument has been done to death but to say his signings post promotion were poor is to rewrite history and not give fair balance. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 6, 2020 23:13:03 GMT
Depends... If you would you call Adam Smith, Sam Slocombe, Tom Nichols, Stefan Payne, Bernard Mensah, Kyle Bennett, Gavin Reilly, Jonny Burn, Joe Martin, Byron Moore to name a few, all good signings post promotion to L1 good and when DC had a good budget to make signings, then maybe you are on stronger drugs than I. Because I watched all of them, and they were/are terrible or poor value for money. Sir Alex, who is probably the best manager ever in the UK once said that if a world class manager had a 65% success rate in the transfer market then he is doing really well. Now, that world class manager probably has a world class scouting system, yet Sir Alex reckons 65% is good. Now, how about you list the successful signings made by DC, who didn't have any scouting system in place. Didn't Sir Alex sign Ralph Milne? Sir Kenny signed Nicky Tanner! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 23:32:14 GMT
Jesus. Are they drugging you or something? Depends... If you would you call Adam Smith, Sam Slocombe, Tom Nichols, Stefan Payne, Bernard Mensah, Kyle Bennett, Gavin Reilly, Jonny Burn, Joe Martin, Byron Moore to name a few, all good signings post promotion to L1 good and when DC had a good budget to make signings, then maybe you are on stronger drugs than I. Because I watched all of them, and they were/are terrible or poor value for money. There is also a massive list of great signings. |
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Post by teanbiscuits on Jan 7, 2020 8:38:49 GMT
I'd argue that while he made some excellent signings, Darrell Clarkes loan deals were very disappointing. Adam Dawson, Alex Wall, Josh Wakefield and Bradley Goldberg are some of the less memorable players who got little or no play time during that period. There were others too which looked to have far more potential than this list that we failed to make the most of.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 8:53:19 GMT
Sir Alex, who is probably the best manager ever in the UK once said that if a world class manager had a 65% success rate in the transfer market then he is doing really well. Now, that world class manager probably has a world class scouting system, yet Sir Alex reckons 65% is good. Now, how about you list the successful signings made by DC, who didn't have any scouting system in place. Didn't Sir Alex sign Ralph Milne? Sir Kenny signed Nicky Tanner! Indeed, Ralph Milne was his very first signing at Man Utd ! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 10:51:15 GMT
I'd argue that while he made some excellent signings, Darrell Clarkes loan deals were very disappointing. Adam Dawson, Alex Wall, Josh Wakefield and Bradley Goldberg are some of the less memorable players who got little or no play time during that period. There were others too which looked to have far more potential than this list that we failed to make the most of. But for balance maybe you should mention bonham,lumley,della verde and sweeney. Also some of the loans were made during promotion seasons and were clearly brought in as back up for a very successful team. Its easy now to say play them but i preferred the promotions. |
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Post by stevek192 on Jan 7, 2020 11:06:19 GMT
DC had a great knowledge of the Conference at the time he was first with us and was the perfect fit for us at the time and to be honest we probably moved too quickly for DC by getting promotion from League 2 when we did. He was out of his depth at League 1 level as he did not have either the knowledge or the experience necessary to get the right players when we went up. What worked with players at Conference and League 2 level does not necessarily work at League 1 or above.Who knows what the future holds DC may get back in League 1 and be a better Manager second time around. Personally prefer the stability in the team selection and feel it works better than the ever changing DC.All managers make poor signings at some stage . I will remember DC for the good ones and the success he brought us but we must now move on and get behind the new man rather than criticise the old.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 7, 2020 11:12:12 GMT
Frustrating to see that some have jumped on DC when I only bumped this thread to praise TW since he has come in. Let's not forget that DC knew TW from before so may have played a big part in him arriving here. If so, that could end up having been one of his best signings.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 11:54:31 GMT
DC had a great knowledge of the Conference at the time he was first with us and was the perfect fit for us at the time and to be honest we probably moved too quickly for DC by getting promotion from League 2 when we did. He was out of his depth at League 1 level as he did not have either the knowledge or the experience necessary to get the right players when we went up. What worked with players at Conference and League 2 level does not necessarily work at League 1 or above.Who knows what the future holds DC may get back in League 1 and be a better Manager second time around. Personally prefer the stability in the team selection and feel it works better than the ever changing DC.All managers make poor signings at some stage . I will remember DC for the good ones and the success he brought us but we must now move on and get behind the new man rather than criticise the old. He was't considered out of his depth when we finished in mid table in our first season following promotion. |
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Post by stapletongas on Jan 7, 2020 12:58:09 GMT
Jesus. Are they drugging you or something? Depends... If you would you call Adam Smith, Sam Slocombe, Tom Nichols, Stefan Payne, Bernard Mensah, Kyle Bennett, Gavin Reilly, Jonny Burn, Joe Martin, Byron Moore to name a few, all good signings post promotion to L1 good and when DC had a good budget to make signings, then maybe you are on stronger drugs than I. Because I watched all of them, and they were/are terrible or poor value for money. Out of interest, how many of those were Tommy W’s findings? |
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Post by Blackbeard on Jan 7, 2020 13:03:02 GMT
Interesting original thread / info
Now descended into so many old coals to rake over......
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