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May 30, 2014 18:17:44 GMT
Post by buckrippers on May 30, 2014 18:17:44 GMT
So many of our players are in demand from clubs higher up the pyramid (Elliot Richards, Ryan Brunt) - yet they weren't good enough to keep us in the football league. It's soul destroying really because it suggests we weren't let down by bad players but a poison running deeper within this club.
Everyone talks about DC now having a "clean slate". Maybe, but if he has to build from scratch we can forget instant promotion next season (not that I expected it anyway). New players take time to gel and by the time they do, other teams that have been together longer will have a big jump on us. You only have to look at what happened under Paul Buckle. It's OK waving goodbye to players like O'Toole and talking about the great transfer kitty that will be at DC's disposal, but theory and practice are two different things altogether.
PS. Was this another bright idea of our BoD to give JJ O'Toole a get-out clause? Just goes to show the arrogance again. "Relegation is not an option".
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May 30, 2014 18:45:51 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 18:45:51 GMT
I have long thought that talent was never our problem.
If you look at the individuals in the team we really did have some good players.
Mildy, Smith, Brown, Lockyer, O'Toole are all good players.
The fact that other, better teams want our players proves they are not bad players.
So that means that something else contributed to them playing so poorly we ended up winning only 2 away games in a season that took us down.
My main worry is that this "unknown" contributing factor has not been unearthed or made public.
It wont make any difference how many players or who DC brings in if the club dont look at the "unknown" poison.
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May 30, 2014 19:17:58 GMT
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Post by RD on May 30, 2014 19:17:58 GMT
I have long thought that talent was never our problem. If you look at the individuals in the team we really did have some good players. Mildy, Smith, Brown, Lockyer, O'Toole are all good players. The fact that other, better teams want our players proves they are not bad players. So that means that something else contributed to them playing so poorly we ended up winning only 2 away games in a season that took us down. My main worry is that this "unknown" contributing factor has not been unearthed or made public. It wont make any difference how many players or who DC brings in if the club dont look at the "unknown" poison. Whilst I do agree Hugo, one massive contributing factor was John Ward and his horrendously negative, outdated tactics. |
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May 30, 2014 19:22:08 GMT
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Post by Hugo Admin on May 30, 2014 19:22:08 GMT
Got to agree. Much as I like the guy he really did a job on us.
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May 30, 2014 19:24:40 GMT
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Post by olskooltoteender on May 30, 2014 19:24:40 GMT
. . . Movement of Jah people . . .
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May 30, 2014 19:27:58 GMT
Post by buckrippers on May 30, 2014 19:27:58 GMT
It's too easy to blame John Ward. Like it was too easy to blame Penny, Buckle and McGhee. I still reckon, with his 'negative' tactics, he would have got enough points to keep us up.
Were all our managers crap and all our players useless?
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May 30, 2014 19:32:03 GMT
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Post by wutangkillerbees on May 30, 2014 19:32:03 GMT
..Exeter, movement of gas people..
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May 30, 2014 19:32:12 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 19:32:12 GMT
It's too easy to blame John Ward. Like it was too easy to blame Penny, Buckle and McGhee. I still reckon, with his 'negative' tactics, he would have got enough points to keep us up. Were all our managers crap and all our players useless? Bloody great post Buck-o. A string of decent managers and good players have all be sh**e for us. I am not aiming anything at the BoD but something is seriously wrong somewhere. |
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May 30, 2014 19:38:35 GMT
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Post by Hugo Admin on May 30, 2014 19:38:35 GMT
It's too easy to blame John Ward. Like it was too easy to blame Penny, Buckle and McGhee. I still reckon, with his 'negative' tactics, he would have got enough points to keep us up. Were all our managers crap and all our players useless? yes. |
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Post by hanham on May 30, 2014 19:40:33 GMT
Arrogance born of complancy: overly loyal unquestioning fan base. Dissenters will be silenced.
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May 30, 2014 19:41:42 GMT
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Post by olskooltoteender on May 30, 2014 19:41:42 GMT
..Exeter, movement of gas people.. Class!  ? |
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May 30, 2014 19:42:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 19:42:25 GMT
Arrogance born of complancy: overly loyal unquestioning fan base. Dissenters will be silenced. If only you knew how much I had to stop myself deleting this post just for shits and giggles......... |
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Post by hanham on May 30, 2014 20:49:25 GMT
Arrogance born of complancy: overly loyal unquestioning fan base. Dissenters will be silenced. If only you knew how much I had to stop myself deleting this post just for shits and giggles......... .......and a seat on the board next to Boycie  |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 21:26:31 GMT
We have a culture of failure. Happy to honour effort over success. Easily subdued and divided on progress.
Easy money. Lack of Bristol pride and passion. Recipe for continual negative, backwards, substandardness.
These problems run deep yet nobody wants to admit it.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 22:17:55 GMT
We dont have a Dam clue who to sign year after year. Last years team was sh**e bar the defence. We need to sign players on the way up rather then way down.
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Post by seanclevedongas on May 30, 2014 22:55:21 GMT
We did not score enough. We did not score enough because we had an unbalanced squad. We had an unbalanced squad because it lacked natural wingers, pace and power up front and strikers that could hit the back of the net regularly. This was not addressed last summer, during the January transfer window or during the loan window. Why this happened and who was responsible is plain to see. I trust that DC will correct this ( he said so on 20man). The BOD surely must have learned from this experience and will prevent this situation ever happening again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 17:47:49 GMT
In essence, look at the time at Twerton. Denis Dunford harnessed the fans and got help for free where possible and had us live within our means. We scouted the non league and local sides and got players in that did well & often sold on for a good profit. We had nothing but we were a club together and we stood together in those bad times. How I wish for the bad times now eh.
We then get GD and now NH think that coming back to Bristol was going to see us " climb the leagues"*. Get the cheque book out and buy success. Let our excellent scouting system go, disengage from the fanbase, allow themselves shares at a ridiculous percentage of the fans price and treat the club like their very own toy set.
We were much better run at Twerton, had championship football on a low income.
If you cannot see this is the current boards fault now then you really are fcuked. This lot now want us to believe that UWE is what we need when we could easily sustain the club at 3rd tier at our current place. We have been so easy to sculpt, to set against one another and become pawns of their bidding.
Now we are being told UWE is needed and necessary to " climb the leagues and sustain the club" utter BS.
We have a board who have taken us backwards year upon year and who have alienated the fanbase whilst still
Managing to keep many inside. That's what bakes my noodle the most. Promises, empty and vapid promises from an empty shell of a once proud club with fantastic supporters.
This is precisely the one occasion where the chairman and board ARE to be blamed. It is all their doing. They dismantled all that was good at the club and thought that money could replace that.
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Jun 3, 2014 10:55:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 10:55:09 GMT
We have a culture of failure. Happy to honour effort over success. Easily subdued and divided on progress. Easy money. Lack of Bristol pride and passion. Recipe for continual negative, backwards, substandardness. These problems run deep yet nobody wants to admit it. Si, You have no idea how it saddens me to read you saying this. You were so fiercely loyal and always gave the team backing when most of us had given up. When someone such as you makes such a statement then I know the club is in a bad way. Hell, I knew it anyway but it just reinforces that fact. We are a bloody mess. At a time when we really need everyone to accept the failures and stand together, the clubs hierarchy turn their collective backs on the lifeblood of the beating heart of it's corporial self. I thought that things really could not deteriorate further but have been proved wrong. This lot have set such low standards yet have somehow managed to surpass those standards. Once again we have a group running the club whose reach over extends it's grasp of the magnitude of the calamity vested upon us. It's all well and good talking about big budgets but we have shown, time after time, a big budget does not mean success. We need to galvanise the fanbase and show the fight we had at Twerton. Those in charge seem embarrassed to talk about those days yet it was exactly the spirit we need right now. I am never embarrassed by the Ragbag Rovers nomenclature. I am proud of it and of how we managed to get the phenomenal success, in relative terms, we had in those days. Promotion to the championship on a shoestring, teams fearing to play us at our then home and a united fanbase. How I wish we had even half of that spirit right now. |
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Jun 3, 2014 11:18:11 GMT
Post by mehewmagic on Jun 3, 2014 11:18:11 GMT
We have a culture of failure. Happy to honour effort over success. Easily subdued and divided on progress. Easy money. Lack of Bristol pride and passion. Recipe for continual negative, backwards, substandardness. These problems run deep yet nobody wants to admit it. Si, You have no idea how it saddens me to read you saying this. You were so fiercely loyal and always gave the team backing when most of us had given up. When someone such as you makes such a statement then I know the club is in a bad way. Hell, I knew it anyway but it just reinforces that fact. We are a bloody mess. At a time when we really need everyone to accept the failures and stand together, the clubs hierarchy turn their collective backs on the lifeblood of the beating heart of it's corporial self. I thought that things really could not deteriorate further but have been proved wrong. This lot have set such low standards yet have somehow managed to surpass those standards. Once again we have a group running the club whose reach over extends it's grasp of the magnitude of the calamity vested upon us. It's all well and good talking about big budgets but we have shown, time after time, a big budget does not mean success. We need to galvanise the fanbase and show the fight we had at Twerton. Those in charge seem embarrassed to talk about those days yet it was exactly the spirit we need right now. I am never embarrassed by the Ragbag Rovers nomenclature. I am proud of it and of how we managed to get the phenomenal success, in relative terms, we had in those days. Promotion to the championship on a shoestring, teams fearing to play us at our then home and a united fanbase. How I wish we had even half of that spirit right now. great use of 'nomenclature'. When we had the old OF I was going to start a thread about the 'ragbag rovers' nomenclature. I sensed some hostility to it, as if it made us look like cheap yokels, but I always saw it as a fair representation of our underdog spirit, and a positive reminder of how to do things. nomenclature. We will always be the underdog compared to where we want to be, and we have given a lot of teams who used to live alongside us (Hull, Swansea, cardiff, Fulham, Bolton, Wigan, Reading, etc; the list is VERY long) a 10-15 year headstart on us. totally right re the mantra of 'big budget'. |
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Jun 3, 2014 11:34:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 11:34:15 GMT
Si, You have no idea how it saddens me to read you saying this. You were so fiercely loyal and always gave the team backing when most of us had given up. When someone such as you makes such a statement then I know the club is in a bad way. Hell, I knew it anyway but it just reinforces that fact. We are a bloody mess. At a time when we really need everyone to accept the failures and stand together, the clubs hierarchy turn their collective backs on the lifeblood of the beating heart of it's corporial self. I thought that things really could not deteriorate further but have been proved wrong. This lot have set such low standards yet have somehow managed to surpass those standards. Once again we have a group running the club whose reach over extends it's grasp of the magnitude of the calamity vested upon us. It's all well and good talking about big budgets but we have shown, time after time, a big budget does not mean success. We need to galvanise the fanbase and show the fight we had at Twerton. Those in charge seem embarrassed to talk about those days yet it was exactly the spirit we need right now. I am never embarrassed by the Ragbag Rovers nomenclature. I am proud of it and of how we managed to get the phenomenal success, in relative terms, we had in those days. Promotion to the championship on a shoestring, teams fearing to play us at our then home and a united fanbase. How I wish we had even half of that spirit right now. great use of 'nomenclature'. When we had the old OF I was going to start a thread about the 'ragbag rovers' nomenclature. I sensed some hostility to it, as if it made us look like cheap yokels, but I always saw it as a fair representation of our underdog spirit, and a positive reminder of how to do things. nomenclature. We will always be the underdog compared to where we want to be, and we have given a lot of teams who used to live alongside us (Hull, Swansea, cardiff, Fulham, Bolton, Wigan, Reading, etc; the list is VERY long) a 10-15 year headstart on us. totally right re the mantra of 'big budget'. Thanks mate. I just don't understand the apparent embarrassment of our time in Bath. Many of us had some of the best times I can remember at fortress Twerton and it embodied the tangible spirit of who we are. We have been true ROVERS, moving from place to place but yet we managed to retain our soul. It's a tragedy that our guardians feel apparent embarrassment of that period and also now about the Mem. I do remember Gerry Francis saying that he felt we had gone as far as he felt we could when we had the promotion and that he feared we had burst our balloon. Then, it's easy to see these things with hindsight. I still feel, if we had the right people to lead us, we could once again harness the very soul of this club and come out of this mess with some very harsh lessons learned and that we could now put in place the infrastructure that could be a Blueprint to us gaining our pride back. My fear is that our board have no humility and are cynically making sure that they take no responsibility for what has happened. The worst part ? Us losing a generation of possible fans because our guardians have not even thought about that. Hell and damn it. Each time I think I am over it and am through with Rovers, I get something come along that gets under my skin. Nobody said it would be easy being a Rovers supporter but then, no one said we would have the people with the means to move us along yet mess up so royally. I still hurt and cannot deny it. Oh for Ragbag Rovers and a chilly night in Bath right now. To watch the opposition physically squirm when they came out I to the pitch and into the storm of our fans. How I would live that right now. |
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