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Post by axegas on May 4, 2019 21:13:16 GMT
It sounds like we started to talk to him about renewing months ago, but he wants to go.
He'll know what sort of wages players are on in the Champ and will know he can get signed up and probably treble his money. Lad's ambitious and hungry, good luck to him. not much we can really do.
He'll also, most likely, earn more/get a bigger signing-on bonus due to the signing club not having to pay us a fee. See I'm not sure who to believe. The official rule states a fee decided by tribunal must be paid to the club whose under 24 player is going for free to another club. Lockyer meets this criteria yet Coughlan says we aren't getting any money for him? |
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Post by aforce on May 4, 2019 21:16:03 GMT
A player is highly regarded by his league one club with a year or so left on his contract. The club offers him a long term extension The player wants to keep his long term options open and expresses a willingness to sign only a short extension - 18 months. The club has to decide whether to market him for sale or accept they have little choice but to give him the 18 month deal he wants. The player decides he won't be sold against his will. They club agree terms on the 18 month extension. The player chooses to run down his latest contract and has no interest in listening to any more offers from the club. The players deal reaches his expiry and we all learn he will likely leave as a a free agent. Could someone please explain how a club could get the player to either sign a long term deal or be sold like an object. Thumbscrews and water boarding do not count. Some clubs and I think Oxford United is a good example, if you play (x) amount of games in your final season the club has the option of a 12 month contract extension, this was how we ended up having to pay a fee for Liam sercombe even though he didn’t want to sign a new deal for them. So if the player won’t sign he has to move for a fee |
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Post by Gassy on May 4, 2019 21:17:17 GMT
I think before we all get uptight, let’s see what happens over the summer. Billy Kee stays up north to keep some equilibrium with his mental health issues. He did a great interview a year or 2 back about that. Who’s to say Eaves will stay? He’s had a bit of a one swallow season this year. Remember he only got 4 for Yeovil last year in L2. DC was responsible for TLs contract. And whilst Parts, Sincs, Lines, the keeps and sercs May be free to leave the same man also gave a contract based on appearances to Tony Craig and Ed Upson who will be here next year who quite frankly, are not to standard. For his faults TW has got us JCH on a free and a good battling midfielder in Ogogo and it’s next season that we will see the real fruits of his work. Well you don’t know it it was DC or Wael/Hamer. I don’t think a manager gets too involved in player contracts! GC found us JCH, not TW. Read the interview from GC. It roughly says JCH text him asking for advice who to sign for, Sunderland or someone else. GC convinces him to come here. TW made the call and set it up It’s in the BEP. Why is it we apparently give big contracts to unproven players but the good, proven ones we don’t give them anything? Embarrassing management or contracts |
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Post by Gassy on May 4, 2019 21:18:16 GMT
He'll also, most likely, earn more/get a bigger signing-on bonus due to the signing club not having to pay us a fee. See I'm not sure who to believe. The official rule states a fee decided by tribunal must be paid to the club whose under 24 player is going for free to another club. Lockyer meets this criteria yet Coughlan says we aren't getting any money for him? He’s not under 24, he’s 24 |
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Post by pilninggas on May 4, 2019 21:18:34 GMT
It sounds like we started to talk to him about renewing months ago, but he wants to go.
He'll know what sort of wages players are on in the Champ and will know he can get signed up and probably treble his money. Lad's ambitious and hungry, good luck to him. not much we can really do.
Months ago when he was already free to talk to other clubs! “Not much we can really do” - just like Bodin, Taylor, Brown & TV screen. We have sat on our hands in transfer windows for years, always acting late. The same goes for contract management. Can you imagine if we said about not signing a winger ‘not much we can really do’? It’s the same thing. If you’re too slow you will be punished. We have been slow on transfers & contracts since the new owners took over. perhaps we asked him to discuss a new contract 9 months ago? we'll never know.
he probably has clear interest in him from some specific clubs (maybe going back or year or more) and wants that move to happen.
It's the nature of Bosman.
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Post by gashead1981 on May 4, 2019 21:18:44 GMT
Thought we have an agreement with them? Can't sign each others players?
Even if you trusted those snakes to actually honour something, technically Tom is a free agent as of July 1st so they wouldn’t break anything, if true. Hasn’t roady (who is mates with LJ) said that in his opinion TL isn’t championship standard? To be honest, city have some cracking centre backs and I can’t see Locks competing with those 2. |
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Post by axegas on May 4, 2019 21:20:35 GMT
See I'm not sure who to believe. The official rule states a fee decided by tribunal must be paid to the club whose under 24 player is going for free to another club. Lockyer meets this criteria yet Coughlan says we aren't getting any money for him? He’s not under 24, he’s 24 So it's not 24 and under then? Makes sense annoyingly, would love it if he signed a new contract like Lambert did just to get us a bit of money when he goes but I suppose that's unlikely. |
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Post by gasheadbatesy on May 4, 2019 21:21:15 GMT
Is there any truth in the City rumours, or is it just that, rumours? Nope . League 2 if he’s lucky |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 21:22:27 GMT
A player is highly regarded by his league one club with a year or so left on his contract. The club offers him a long term extension The player wants to keep his long term options open and expresses a willingness to sign only a short extension - 18 months. The club has to decide whether to market him for sale or accept they have little choice but to give him the 18 month deal he wants. The player decides he won't be sold against his will. They club agree terms on the 18 month extension. The player chooses to run down his latest contract and has no interest in listening to any more offers from the club. The players deal reaches his expiry and we all learn he will likely leave as a a free agent. Could someone please explain how a club could get the player to either sign a long term deal or be sold like an object. Thumbscrews and water boarding do not count. Some clubs and I think Oxford United is a good example, if you play (x) amount of games in your final season the club has the option of a 12 month contract extension, this was how we ended up having to pay a fee for Liam sercombe even though he didn’t want to sign a new deal for them. So if the player won’t sign he has to move for a fee So if Lockyer had chosen to ignore the last 18 month extension offer the club would have applied a 12 month extension meaning we'd have lost him 6 months earlier than we had done? Alternatively with your example you tie a player to a club who doesn't want to be there or simply kick the can down the road for a year before facing the issue later. |
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Post by peterhooper57 on May 4, 2019 21:22:29 GMT
"The King is dead long live the King", Lockyer leaves enter Alfie Gilgour; heard all sorts this afternoon, Craig going to Orient as player coach, O Clarke going to Bransley, seems like the rumour merry-go-rounds is already being cranked up. For me I hope GC says whether or not he is off to Plymouth asap, we do not want to be looking for another manager plus 10 p[layers just before the start of the new season.
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Post by Gassy on May 4, 2019 21:23:30 GMT
Even if you trusted those snakes to actually honour something, technically Tom is a free agent as of July 1st so they wouldn’t break anything, if true. Hasn’t roady (who is mates with LJ) said that in his opinion TL isn’t championship standard? To be honest, city have some cracking centre backs and I can’t see Locks competing with those 2. Not a clue, but I tend to agree |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 21:23:32 GMT
Is there any truth in the City rumours, or is it just that, rumours? Nope . League 2 if he’s lucky I don't understand why a supporter would relish in such vitriol against a player who has been, at the very least, a good player for their club. |
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Post by gashead1981 on May 4, 2019 21:24:22 GMT
I think before we all get uptight, let’s see what happens over the summer. Billy Kee stays up north to keep some equilibrium with his mental health issues. He did a great interview a year or 2 back about that. Who’s to say Eaves will stay? He’s had a bit of a one swallow season this year. Remember he only got 4 for Yeovil last year in L2. DC was responsible for TLs contract. And whilst Parts, Sincs, Lines, the keeps and sercs May be free to leave the same man also gave a contract based on appearances to Tony Craig and Ed Upson who will be here next year who quite frankly, are not to standard. For his faults TW has got us JCH on a free and a good battling midfielder in Ogogo and it’s next season that we will see the real fruits of his work. Well you don’t know it it was DC or Wael/Hamer. I don’t think a manager gets too involved in player contracts! GC found us JCH, not TW. Read the interview from GC. It roughly says JCH text him asking for advice who to sign for, Sunderland or someone else. GC convinces him to come here. TW made the call and set it up It’s in the BEP. Why is it we apparently give big contracts to unproven players but the good, proven ones we don’t give them anything? Embarrassing management or contracts DC handled all his players contracts. We are this season finally seeing the last of the old guard move on and into the GC era. Nothing wrong in that, hopefully we will not make the same mistakes. Perhaps DC loyalty to his players wasn’t quite repaid in the end? Who knows. That is now a closed book. JCH would have been known to TW as much as GC. JCH has been a proven L1 striker for quite some years, it was hardly a new discovery. It’s TWs job to qualify players through criteria and recommend them to the management. GC will also have his known players too. |
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Post by Gassy on May 4, 2019 21:25:04 GMT
He’s not under 24, he’s 24 So it's not 24 and under then? Makes sense annoyingly, would love it if he signed a new contract like Lambert did just to get us a bit of money when he goes but I suppose that's unlikely. Typically, the rules state under 24. Apart from JCH, TL is probably our most valuable player & he just walks away for nothing |
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Post by glengas on May 4, 2019 21:29:06 GMT
"The King is dead long live the King", Lockyer leaves enter Alfie Gilgour; heard all sorts this afternoon, Craig going to Orient as player coach, O Clarke going to Bransley, seems like the rumour merry-go-rounds is already being cranked up. For me I hope GC says whether or not he is off to Plymouth asap, we do not want to be looking for another manager plus 10 p[layers just before the start of the new season. I also heard that JCH is off to Leeds. One departure and the rumour mill goes into over drive. |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 4, 2019 21:29:52 GMT
I think before we all get uptight, let’s see what happens over the summer. Billy Kee stays up north to keep some equilibrium with his mental health issues. He did a great interview a year or 2 back about that. Who’s to say Eaves will stay? He’s had a bit of a one swallow season this year. Remember he only got 4 for Yeovil last year in L2. DC was responsible for TLs contract. And whilst Parts, Sincs, Lines, the keeps and sercs May be free to leave the same man also gave a contract based on appearances to Tony Craig and Ed Upson who will be here next year who quite frankly, are not to standard. For his faults TW has got us JCH on a free and a good battling midfielder in Ogogo and it’s next season that we will see the real fruits of his work. Well you don’t know it it was DC or Wael/Hamer. I don’t think a manager gets too involved in player contracts! GC found us JCH, not TW. Read the interview from GC. It roughly says JCH text him asking for advice who to sign for, Sunderland or someone else. GC convinces him to come here. TW made the call and set it up It’s in the BEP. Why is it we apparently give big contracts to unproven players but the good, proven ones we don’t give them anything? Embarrassing management or contracts So TL signed an 18 months extension even though we weren't prepared to offer him a decent deal at the time? TL clearly feels to progress he needs to be playing Championship football, so there's little we can do about that as even if we offered to double his wages he'd still leave. Although I'm not sure he's that great a loss as we've seen plenty of decent CB's at the Mem this season. Losing Bonham could be a bigger loss if he doesn't return next season. |
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Post by Gassy on May 4, 2019 21:29:56 GMT
Well you don’t know it it was DC or Wael/Hamer. I don’t think a manager gets too involved in player contracts! GC found us JCH, not TW. Read the interview from GC. It roughly says JCH text him asking for advice who to sign for, Sunderland or someone else. GC convinces him to come here. TW made the call and set it up It’s in the BEP. Why is it we apparently give big contracts to unproven players but the good, proven ones we don’t give them anything? Embarrassing management or contracts DC handled all his players contracts. We are this season finally seeing the last of the old guard move on and into the GC era. Nothing wrong in that, hopefully we will not make the same mistakes. Perhaps DC loyalty to his players wasn’t quite repaid in the end? Who knows. That is now a closed book. JCH would have been known to TW as much as GC. JCH has been a proven L1 striker for quite some years, it was hardly a new discovery. It’s TWs job to qualify players through criteria and recommend them to the management. GC will also have his known players too. Established for years? Before us he scored 9 goals in L1 from 2015-2019. Hardly established tbf TW May have known about him, but what does that prove? I know of Messi - should I be head of recruitment? IMO, JCH was a GC signing. Regarding DC & contracts, we will never know. But it’s unusual for a manager to get so involved |
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Post by Gassy on May 4, 2019 21:31:32 GMT
Well you don’t know it it was DC or Wael/Hamer. I don’t think a manager gets too involved in player contracts! GC found us JCH, not TW. Read the interview from GC. It roughly says JCH text him asking for advice who to sign for, Sunderland or someone else. GC convinces him to come here. TW made the call and set it up It’s in the BEP. Why is it we apparently give big contracts to unproven players but the good, proven ones we don’t give them anything? Embarrassing management or contracts So TL signed an 18 months extension even though we weren't prepared to offer him a decent deal at the time? Eh? |
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Post by lpgas on May 4, 2019 21:45:02 GMT
It's not an excuse to go "we don't have the financial power to keep them." When clubs on similar budgets like Accrington and Gillingham can keep players like Billy Kee and Tom Eaves. How can anyone actually justify the situation that we're in? Like Widdrington said 90% of the players are out of contract in the summer. 90%!! Like it or not we're going to see a mass exodus in the summer, players we like will go, players we want to go will go. And we need it. But to sell the best defender in a top 6 defence in the league isn't acceptable unless he desperately wanted to go, and I don't think he would. The thing we will most miss about Lockyer in my opinion is the leadership aspect, do we really have any other leaders on the pitch? Craig maybe, Ollie CLarke maybe. I wonder where he'll go though, whilst someone in the comments has pointed out that Forest wanted Lockyer. The reason they wanted him is because they apparently wanted him at RB as a backup target to Sam Byram. Well said. Pathetic how other clubs hand on to the likes of Eaves and Kee yet we sell them at the first opportunity. Billy Kee is 28, and likes Accrington, because he left , and then went back. I suspect he has a few offers, but perhaps he just likes the area. As for Eaves, well he was absolutely sh**e at Yeovil. He went to the gills and it clicked. Perhaps he has a young family in the area, perhaps he has invested in a business in the area. No one knows what these players personal circumstances are. But if any player gets the opportunity to improve then they should take it, because for a lot of them, they don't. Meanwhile How long have you been in your job? Thinking of changing? I started in retail, went to general transport, then to FMCG, then an art lecturer, then a teacher (in which I moved 4 times each time for promotion?, I retired, and now I am a locksmith. So why cant football players want to improve? It's not always about money. |
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Post by lpgas on May 4, 2019 21:47:08 GMT
Shambles. Let a key player, probably one with some value leave for free. So amateur it's unbelievable. Bit disappointed in Tom too if I'm honest, the club make no money. We don't own him, perhaps we offered him a contract, maybe you know, maybe you don't |
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