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I'm sorry, but just what has child poverty got to do with over 75's paying the BBC Tax? In fact, what has any of the above post got to do with it? I think your argument is called deflection? YOU support over 75's paying the BBX Tax, and I find that really quite shameful. Sigh Income distribution and allocation of national resources. Just what has 'income distribution and allocation of national resources' got to do with the decision by the BBC to charge Over 75's the BBC Tax? |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 11, 2019 13:46:01 GMT
The policy of free TV licences for the over-75s was introduced in 1999 by the then Labour chancellor, Gordon Brown, with the cost met by the government, which paid the BBC to provide the service.
However, in 2015 the Conservative government, guided by George Osborne, struck a deal under which the subsidy would be phased out by 2020, with the broadcaster having to shoulder the cost of free TV licences.
The government later gave the BBC responsibility for deciding what to do about the benefit, meaning any unpopular decisions on charging over-75s had to be made by the BBC rather than ministers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 13:55:13 GMT
The policy of free TV licences for the over-75s was introduced in 1999 by the then Labour chancellor, Gordon Brown, with the cost met by the government, which paid the BBC to provide the service. However, in 2015 the Conservative government, guided by George Osborne, struck a deal under which the subsidy would be phased out by 2020, with the broadcaster having to shoulder the cost of free TV licences. The government later gave the BBC responsibility for deciding what to do about the benefit, meaning any unpopular decisions on charging over-75s had to be made by the BBC rather than ministers. <iframe width="37.700000000000045" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 37.700000000000045px; height: 4.199999999999989px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_26314981" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="37.700000000000045" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 37.7px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1811px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_68056974" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="37.700000000000045" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 37.7px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 149px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_66371491" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="37.700000000000045" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 37.7px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1811px; top: 149px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_45086234" scrolling="no"></iframe> How can something they (the BBC) have not received in twenty years be classified as 'cost'? |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 11, 2019 14:02:18 GMT
The policy of free TV licences for the over-75s was introduced in 1999 by the then Labour chancellor, Gordon Brown, with the cost met by the government, which paid the BBC to provide the service. However, in 2015 the Conservative government, guided by George Osborne, struck a deal under which the subsidy would be phased out by 2020, with the broadcaster having to shoulder the cost of free TV licences. The government later gave the BBC responsibility for deciding what to do about the benefit, meaning any unpopular decisions on charging over-75s had to be made by the BBC rather than ministers. <iframe width="37.700000000000045" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 37.700000000000045px; height: 4.199999999999989px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_26314981" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="37.700000000000045" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 37.7px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1811px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_68056974" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="37.700000000000045" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 37.7px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 149px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_66371491" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="37.700000000000045" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 37.7px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1811px; top: 149px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_45086234" scrolling="no"></iframe> How can something they (the BBC) have not received in twenty years be classified as 'cost'? Not sure what you're talking about there. They have received it (from the govt). Read it again. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 11, 2019 14:18:03 GMT
A leave poster about someone who is openly remain? Do you watch the BBC, Nobby? Lineker is targeted because he is the highest paid BBC 'star'. Funny how he hasn't tweeted about this because he's pretty vocal about everything else. I rarely watch anything on BBC. It is no longer the neutral National Broadcaster. Lineker is targeted because he is openly anti Brexit. You could have made the same point without bringing Brexit into the conversation. Bias is subjective, I agree it is there but not to the degree you may think, and of course the BBC is more than the news. How do you access and pay for it? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 16:04:03 GMT
Lineker is targeted because he is the highest paid BBC 'star'. Funny how he hasn't tweeted about this because he's pretty vocal about everything else. I rarely watch anything on BBC. It is no longer the neutral National Broadcaster. Lineker is targeted because he is openly anti Brexit. You could have made the same point without bringing Brexit into the conversation. Bias is subjective, I agree it is there but not to the degree you may think, and of course the BBC is more than the news. How do you access and pay for it? There is the funny thing Stuart. Across a lot of Europe you can pick up BBC free to air! The same as ITV, Channel 4, Sky News etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 16:05:13 GMT
Antonio, you are another one who think it is right to make over 75's pay the BBC Tax?
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 11, 2019 16:47:34 GMT
Lineker is targeted because he is openly anti Brexit. You could have made the same point without bringing Brexit into the conversation. Bias is subjective, I agree it is there but not to the degree you may think, and of course the BBC is more than the news. How do you access and pay for it? There is the funny thing Stuart. Across a lot of Europe you can pick up BBC free to air! The same as ITV, Channel 4, Sky News etc. Oh, you tax dodger 😀 |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 11, 2019 17:31:19 GMT
Antonio, you are another one who think it is right to make over 75's pay the BBC Tax? I think over 75s should be given enough money (through pensions etc) that it wouldn't even be an issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 18:45:18 GMT
<iframe width="37.700000000000045" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 37.700000000000045px; height: 4.199999999999989px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_26314981" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="37.700000000000045" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 37.7px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1811px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_68056974" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="37.700000000000045" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 37.7px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 149px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_66371491" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="37.700000000000045" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 37.7px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1811px; top: 149px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_45086234" scrolling="no"></iframe> How can something they (the BBC) have not received in twenty years be classified as 'cost'? Not sure what you're talking about there. They have received it (from the govt). Read it again. You are in a battle here Antonio with an inability to apply simple arithmatic, resulting from spending decisions. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 18:46:12 GMT
Antonio, you are another one who think it is right to make over 75's pay the BBC Tax? I think over 75s should be given enough money (through pensions etc) that it wouldn't even be an issue. True. It is a scandal that people have to pay tax on their pension income as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 18:48:34 GMT
Not sure what you're talking about there. They have received it (from the govt). Read it again. You are in a battle here Antonio with an inability to apply simple arithmatic, resulting from spending decisions. I am not in a 'battle' with anyone Oldie. I still believe it is immoral to make over 75's pay a tax that they didn't pay before, and you should be ashamed of yourself for supporting it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 19:04:05 GMT
You are in a battle here Antonio with an inability to apply simple arithmatic, resulting from spending decisions. I am not in a 'battle' with anyone Oldie. I still believe it is immoral to make over 75's pay a tax that they didn't pay before, and you should be ashamed of yourself for supporting it. I support government intervention where swathes of the population are adversely affected by the more crude impacts of the free market (a method of wealth creation I support). When Labour mandated this discount they supported it through the tax system and paid the loss to the BBC. As Antonio has pointed out, under austerity it is the current government that dropped this support. Austerity is something you personally argued for back in 2010. You reap what you sow. The crocodile tears you are expressing now is borderline nauseating. We told you then what would happen. So here we are. Outstanding national debt has doubled, the social security net has been diminished and the real world impacts are as I detailed previously. It's the reality of what we are faced with. So what do we do? Pass the cost on to already under pressure families, shrink the BBC, or let us, pensioners, have to face the reality of the situation? I am willing to pay, as a pensioner. Ironic that pensioners who may bleat overwhelmingly voted leave, an act which in itself will dilute government revenues. As I say, you reap what you sow. Btw, your admitted free access is funded by others. Jesus Christ. Hypocrisy or what? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 19:06:30 GMT
I am not in a 'battle' with anyone Oldie. I still believe it is immoral to make over 75's pay a tax that they didn't pay before, and you should be ashamed of yourself for supporting it. I support government intervention where swathes of the population are adversely affected by the more crude impacts of the free market (a method of wealth creation I support). When Labour mandated this discount they supported it through the tax system and paid the loss to the BBC. As Antonio has pointed out, under austerity it is the current government that dropped this support. Austerity is something you personally argued for back in 2010. You reap what you sow. The crocodile tears you are expressing now is borderline nauseating. We told you then what would happen. So here we are. Outstanding national debt has doubled, the social security net has been diminished and the real world impacts are as I detailed previously. It's the reality of what are faced with. So what do we do? Pass the cost on to already under pressure families, shrink the BBC, or let us, pensioners, have to face the reality of the situation? I am willing to pay, as a pensioner. Ironic that pensioners who may bleat overwhelmingly voted leave, an act which in itself will dilute government revenues. As I say, you reap what you sow. Btw, your admitted free access is funded by others. Jesus Christ. Hypocrisy or what? Oh dear, you really are a pompous twat, and I'm being polite. |
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Post by baggins on Jun 11, 2019 20:15:53 GMT
The BBC can't afford to let the over 75's off £150 a year? Anyone want to guess what the head of BBC earns per year?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 20:29:57 GMT
I support government intervention where swathes of the population are adversely affected by the more crude impacts of the free market (a method of wealth creation I support). When Labour mandated this discount they supported it through the tax system and paid the loss to the BBC. As Antonio has pointed out, under austerity it is the current government that dropped this support. Austerity is something you personally argued for back in 2010. You reap what you sow. The crocodile tears you are expressing now is borderline nauseating. We told you then what would happen. So here we are. Outstanding national debt has doubled, the social security net has been diminished and the real world impacts are as I detailed previously. It's the reality of what are faced with. So what do we do? Pass the cost on to already under pressure families, shrink the BBC, or let us, pensioners, have to face the reality of the situation? I am willing to pay, as a pensioner. Ironic that pensioners who may bleat overwhelmingly voted leave, an act which in itself will dilute government revenues. As I say, you reap what you sow. Btw, your admitted free access is funded by others. Jesus Christ. Hypocrisy or what? Oh dear, you really are a pompous twat, and I'm being polite. Sure. Insulting me on a public forum is absolutely fine, but does expose the fact that you cannot answer in rebuttal. Which enforces the point being made. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 20:31:43 GMT
The BBC can't afford to let the over 75's off £150 a year? Anyone want to guess what the head of BBC earns per year? They can Baggins, but only by cutting the services and productions they deliver. One person's salary, whether justified or not, doesn't change the funding gap. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 20:36:43 GMT
I support government intervention where swathes of the population are adversely affected by the more crude impacts of the free market (a method of wealth creation I support). When Labour mandated this discount they supported it through the tax system and paid the loss to the BBC. As Antonio has pointed out, under austerity it is the current government that dropped this support. Austerity is something you personally argued for back in 2010. You reap what you sow. The crocodile tears you are expressing now is borderline nauseating. We told you then what would happen. So here we are. Outstanding national debt has doubled, the social security net has been diminished and the real world impacts are as I detailed previously. It's the reality of what are faced with. So what do we do? Pass the cost on to already under pressure families, shrink the BBC, or let us, pensioners, have to face the reality of the situation? I am willing to pay, as a pensioner. Ironic that pensioners who may bleat overwhelmingly voted leave, an act which in itself will dilute government revenues. As I say, you reap what you sow. Btw, your admitted free access is funded by others. Jesus Christ. Hypocrisy or what? Oh dear, you really are a pompous twat, and I'm being polite. Impressive show of restraint in your choice of words. He really is the most unpleasant individual. |
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Post by aghast on Jun 11, 2019 21:39:48 GMT
I'm not sure adverts on the BBC would work. Does anyone actually sit through the ad breaks any more? I watch only recorded programmes and fast forward through the ads.
The BBC needs a subscription.
Which is what they have now, and a really cheap one for the quality of television programmes they produce.
I would reluctantly agree that it shouldn't be compulsory, but if it stayed at the same level and was voluntary, I don't think the Beeb would suffer much.
I can't imagine choosing any TV package which didn't include all the BBC TV and radio channels for less than £13 a month.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 12, 2019 5:12:15 GMT
Apparently the BBC researched this amongst their own viewers (R4 this morning) and there was a split 52-48 (gulp) in favour of eliminating this age related benefit. Now I personally do not find this surprising if one considers the situation of the 25 to 40 year olds who struggle with housing (cost and availability) and costs such as child care. Whilst those of us lucky enough to be baby boomers sit comfortably (a gross generalisation to make the point) in our paid for homes and have seen incomes through state pensions rise above the average incomes in % terms. This is where the income distribution curve comes into effect. So, you support making over 75's pay the BBC Tax? The BBC consulted 190,000 people. 48% were against the proposal, 37% were for the proposal and 15% preferred to reform the way the BBC was funded. The BBC, conveniently, interpreted this as 52% in favour of the plan. Is there no 'compromise' for the 48%? No compromise for the 48%? Lmfao. You lost. That's democracy. Get over it, if the other side had won they would have just accepted it and moved on ...etc. Trololol Genuine question, is this going to be means tested? |
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