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Post by graceyboy on Aug 4, 2020 11:28:54 GMT
Bournemouth survived in the prem for 3 years with a ground with a similar capacity to the mem so I don't think a small ground is any bar to success. That said, I think with any new stadium for us, 20,000 has to be the magic number although I would take anything compared to what we have now as long as it has 4 all seater stands or is joined in a bowl. Anyone have any thoughts on how they'd want any potential new ground to look? Would it be four two tiered stands like Millwall or a bowl effect like Leicester? Or something completely different? Bournemouth are now looking like complete divs, they spent 5 years in the top flight and have made no investment in their facilities. Long term that will be a massive error. But they will now have the huge parachute payments windfall over the next three seasons to cushion the blow. Relegation from top flight for a team like them is akin to winning the lottery these days which is madness. How can relegation be so richly rewarded? They can build a new ground with those payments alone. As most promoted teams from the championship to the PL go straight back down anyway, it's almost worth spending no money on players if you do go up, get relegated, watch the cash roll in and then have another go but on a much better financial footing. Welcome to modern football where finance is more important than ambition.
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 4, 2020 11:29:11 GMT
The one that they're in the process of building but haven't started building? Construction contracts have been tendered, just needs final approval from the Secretary of State as I said. They haven’t reinvested the money as well as a club like Burnley though, to that end I would agree. They've not starting building yet, I wouldn't be surprised to see it delayed and/or amended.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 4, 2020 11:33:45 GMT
Bournemouth are now looking like complete divs, they spent 5 years in the top flight and have made no investment in their facilities. Long term that will be a massive error. But they will now have the huge parachute payments windfall over the next three seasons to cushion the blow. Relegation from top flight for a team like them is akin to winning the lottery these days which is madness. How can relegation be so richly rewarded? They can build a new ground with those payments alone. As most promoted teams from the championship to the PL go straight back down anyway, it's almost worth spending no money on players if you do go up, get relegated, watch the cash roll in and then have another go but on a much better financial footing. Welcome to modern football where finance is more important than ambition. This is effectively what Burnley did when they went down a few years back. They were conservative in their initial foray back in the PL, got relegated, and then invested quite significantly to return, and have stayed there ever since. You have to admire them for having the foresight to use the rules to their long term advantage. I understand that Norwich have also used the PL funds to invest in their infrastructure (might be wrong), and they should in theory be much better off now for having had a single season in the PL, regardless of how hard they tried to stay up or not. Nevertheless I do agree that the parachute payments should be revised in some way. The finances in football these days are just bonkers.
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Post by graceyboy on Aug 4, 2020 11:35:05 GMT
I think they got permission for their training ground at around the same time we bought the Colony, but haven't done anything about it. Amazing that they've made us look quick. It's a real shame, reinvesting the Premier League money would essentially keep the club going for the next 30 years. Instead, they have nothing to show for it. I think you need to realise where they've come from chewwy. They are a small club whose history is limited to say the least where before they came into the PL, they were forever linked with that 2-0 FA Cup win over man u in 1983 and nothing more. Their owner turned Dean court into a modest but smart all seater stadium and got them into the PL. As you say, they are now set financially for the next 30 years at least. They should be the blue print for a club like ours. I hardly think after what they have achieved in the last 10 years that they look like 'divs'
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 4, 2020 11:46:46 GMT
It's a real shame, reinvesting the Premier League money would essentially keep the club going for the next 30 years. Instead, they have nothing to show for it. I think you need to realise where they've come from chewwy. They are a small club whose history is limited to say the least where before they came into the PL, they were forever linked with that 2-0 FA Cup win over man u in 1983 and nothing more. Their owner turned Dean court into a modest but smart all seater stadium and got them into the PL. As you say, they are now set financially for the next 30 years at least. They should be the blue print for a club like ours. I hardly think after what they have achieved in the last 10 years that they look like 'divs' They don't own the ground and have a temporary stand.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 4, 2020 12:05:36 GMT
It is quite a low capacity, I must admit. They must have scope, like most new stadiums do, to increase capacity if needed. Although they do have Chelsea, Fulham & QPR all within roughly 4 miles of them It's literally been designed to maximise the space they had available...the 'funky' design is not for fun, it's to squeeze it in... ![](https://i.imgur.com/FfDdIfh.jpg) They have scope to add capacity on 2 of the stands though by the looks of it.
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Post by BrightonGas on Aug 4, 2020 12:13:34 GMT
I think Starnes didn't really mean it like that, more likely he meant "at some point in the future." I'm not sure... “There’s nothing I can announce for sure, but we are actively working on a project and I’m hoping, all being well, we will be able to announce something positive in the next few weeks.” It's been 2 months now.. I always wondered if he meant to say: "There’s nothing I can announce for sure, but we are actively working on a project and I’m hoping, all being well, we will be able to announce something positive in the coming weeks.”
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 4, 2020 12:23:29 GMT
I think Starnes didn't really mean it like that, more likely he meant "at some point in the future." I'm not sure... “There’s nothing I can announce for sure, but we are actively working on a project and I’m hoping, all being well, we will be able to announce something positive in the next few weeks.” It's been 2 months now.. Yes but it’s been 35 years since we left Eastville, which is a hell of a lot of weeks compared to two months Which at 8 weeks is relatively few.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 4, 2020 12:36:25 GMT
I'm not sure... “There’s nothing I can announce for sure, but we are actively working on a project and I’m hoping, all being well, we will be able to announce something positive in the next few weeks.” It's been 2 months now.. Yes but it’s been 35 years since we left Eastville, which is a hell of a lot of weeks compared to two months Which at 8 weeks is relatively few. Assuming it is the FM site we're really tied by what the developers decide to announce, although if they are really checking the land for it being suitable then surely somebody will have seen the pile drivers (or whatever those small pile drive machines are called) taking samples from the site?
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Post by Gassy on Aug 4, 2020 12:41:24 GMT
I'm not sure... “There’s nothing I can announce for sure, but we are actively working on a project and I’m hoping, all being well, we will be able to announce something positive in the next few weeks.” It's been 2 months now.. Yes but it’s been 35 years since we left Eastville, which is a hell of a lot of weeks compared to two months Which at 8 weeks is relatively few. Sure, but that's not really the point I'm questioning. I'm more questioning why our CEO, who always said that he has nothing to do with the stadium, came out and said he hopes we can announce something in the next few weeks - when it seems like either there might be a delay to that or by few weeks he means more than 8? If someone says a few weeks, you'd naturally assume 2-4 weeks? I'm just curious, I'm sure Sam Frost reads this forum - perhaps he can ask for an update..
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Post by gasandelectricity on Aug 4, 2020 12:45:07 GMT
These things take time.
Says wael.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 4, 2020 12:45:51 GMT
Bournemouth survived in the prem for 3 years with a ground with a similar capacity to the mem so I don't think a small ground is any bar to success. That said, I think with any new stadium for us, 20,000 has to be the magic number although I would take anything compared to what we have now as long as it has 4 all seater stands or is joined in a bowl. Anyone have any thoughts on how they'd want any potential new ground to look? Would it be four two tiered stands like Millwall or a bowl effect like Leicester? Or something completely different? I liked the fact that Bolton’s Reebok stadium bucked the trend and wasn’t a “soulless bowl”. I would like four distinct stands, one with a nod to the Tote End and another with a distinctive tower built into it (the crow’s nest ?). Between the stands there could be room to fill them in if extra capacity was warranted, but initially I’d hope they could incorporate a sail (or tent!) effect that reduces wind whipping through the gaps between the stands but substantial enough to look permanent and reinforce the pirate theme. Gun ports or portholes for windows at the back of the stands where food is served out of galleys called Pieces of Ate (play on words) a couple of Yo Ho Ho bars each side but behind the Tote End Stand would be where the Bristol Blue Club, The Bristol Rovers Former Players Association Matchday suite and the Gasworks club memorabilia and museum would be situated (and like all museums the exit would be into the Gas Shop!!) . We’d make the away side change in Davy Jones’s Locker and they’d either run the gauntlet or walk the plank to get on the pitch!
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 4, 2020 12:53:01 GMT
Yes but it’s been 35 years since we left Eastville, which is a hell of a lot of weeks compared to two months Which at 8 weeks is relatively few. Sure, but that's not really the point I'm questioning. I'm more questioning why our CEO, who always said that he has nothing to do with the stadium, came out and said he hopes we can announce something in the next few weeks - when it seems like either there might be a delay to that or by few weeks he means more than 8? If someone says a few weeks, you'd naturally assume 2-4 weeks? I'm just curious, I'm sure Sam Frost reads this forum - perhaps he can ask for an update.. To me a few weeks would be anything up to three months ( after which it becomes a few months), 2-4 weeks I’d be more likely to say something like within a month or so. I just think he was aiming to be as open ended as possible without making it seem it was imminent or miles off or not likely at all.
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Post by playtowin on Aug 4, 2020 12:53:25 GMT
Yes but it’s been 35 years since we left Eastville, which is a hell of a lot of weeks compared to two months Which at 8 weeks is relatively few. Sure, but that's not really the point I'm questioning. I'm more questioning why our CEO, who always said that he has nothing to do with the stadium, came out and said he hopes we can announce something in the next few weeks - when it seems like either there might be a delay to that or by few weeks he means more than 8? If someone says a few weeks, you'd naturally assume 2-4 weeks? I'm just curious, I'm sure Sam Frost reads this forum - perhaps he can ask for an update.. It is based on all going well....
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Post by rememberhalifax on Aug 4, 2020 12:55:26 GMT
Some brilliant concepts posted by Wembley there! get him on the design team!
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Post by axegas on Aug 4, 2020 13:01:35 GMT
The post have said repeatedly in their Q+A's that the sale of the FM land should be completed in August at the consortiums end, first time they've put any sort of timescale on it.
That's only half the story though because there's no guarantee that Wael is still looking for investment into the football club so soon after he's taken the reigns from his family.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 4, 2020 13:02:37 GMT
Some brilliant concepts posted by Wembley there! get him on the design team! Agreed, great ideas and I'd love any new stadium to have a few quirks to the design to enhance it beyond the bland "soulless bowl" design. I think the stadiums without the bog-standard filled-in corners look so much better. Deepdale with it's distinct 4-stand design, and The Hawthorns with it's mishmash of stand heights, just look a lot more interesting than the likes of the Keepmoat, St Marys etc. If we had filled-in corners, I'd hope that the design incorporated something a little bit different to give the place some character/identity. Then again, beggars can't be choosers 'n all that!
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Post by yaz on Aug 4, 2020 13:07:08 GMT
Bournemouth survived in the prem for 3 years with a ground with a similar capacity to the mem so I don't think a small ground is any bar to success. That said, I think with any new stadium for us, 20,000 has to be the magic number although I would take anything compared to what we have now as long as it has 4 all seater stands or is joined in a bowl. Anyone have any thoughts on how they'd want any potential new ground to look? Would it be four two tiered stands like Millwall or a bowl effect like Leicester? Or something completely different? I liked the fact that Bolton’s Reebok stadium bucked the trend and wasn’t a “soulless bowl”. I would like four distinct stands, one with a nod to the Tote End and another with a distinctive tower built into it (the crow’s nest ?). Between the stands there could be room to fill them in if extra capacity was warranted, but initially I’d hope they could incorporate a sail (or tent!) effect that reduces wind whipping through the gaps between the stands but substantial enough to look permanent and reinforce the pirate theme. Gun ports or portholes for windows at the back of the stands where food is served out of galleys called Pieces of Ate (play on words) a couple of Yo Ho Ho bars each side but behind the Tote End Stand would be where the Bristol Blue Club, The Bristol Rovers Former Players Association Matchday suite and the Gasworks club memorabilia and museum would be situated (and like all museums the exit would be into the Gas Shop!!) . We’d make the away side change in Davy Jones’s Locker and they’d either run the gauntlet or walk the plank to get on the pitch! LoL Personally, it could be a titanic sinking feeling, for us with what you are suggesting. Some of it sounds good. I would just prefer a simple 4 Stand stadium with the corner gaps covered either with big screens or .... to stop the wind flowing through. The Ricoh is terrible with that issue for the away end? Any stadium must have standing / Terrace options on at least 2 sides / ends when built, irrespective of EFL Requirements but have the design capability to be turned into seating areas OR just sit on the concrete! I wonder how parking, if any, will be allocated? To the favoured few? Love the Reebok especially at night. Superbly lit up. Maybe we should not forget how the outside of the stadium and its environment is built as well?
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Post by c4h10 on Aug 4, 2020 13:24:00 GMT
Bournemouth survived in the prem for 3 years with a ground with a similar capacity to the mem so I don't think a small ground is any bar to success. That said, I think with any new stadium for us, 20,000 has to be the magic number although I would take anything compared to what we have now as long as it has 4 all seater stands or is joined in a bowl. Anyone have any thoughts on how they'd want any potential new ground to look? Would it be four two tiered stands like Millwall or a bowl effect like Leicester? Or something completely different? I liked the fact that Bolton’s Reebok stadium bucked the trend and wasn’t a “soulless bowl”. I would like four distinct stands, one with a nod to the Tote End and another with a distinctive tower built into it (the crow’s nest ?). Between the stands there could be room to fill them in if extra capacity was warranted, but initially I’d hope they could incorporate a sail (or tent!) effect that reduces wind whipping through the gaps between the stands but substantial enough to look permanent and reinforce the pirate theme. Gun ports or portholes for windows at the back of the stands where food is served out of galleys called Pieces of Ate (play on words) a couple of Yo Ho Ho bars each side but behind the Tote End Stand would be where the Bristol Blue Club, The Bristol Rovers Former Players Association Matchday suite and the Gasworks club memorabilia and museum would be situated (and like all museums the exit would be into the Gas Shop!!) . We’d make the away side change in Davy Jones’s Locker and they’d either run the gauntlet or walk the plank to get on the pitch! You're not the Messiah - you're a very nautical boy.
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Post by Gassy on Aug 4, 2020 13:43:59 GMT
Sure, but that's not really the point I'm questioning. I'm more questioning why our CEO, who always said that he has nothing to do with the stadium, came out and said he hopes we can announce something in the next few weeks - when it seems like either there might be a delay to that or by few weeks he means more than 8? If someone says a few weeks, you'd naturally assume 2-4 weeks? I'm just curious, I'm sure Sam Frost reads this forum - perhaps he can ask for an update.. To me a few weeks would be anything up to three months ( after which it becomes a few months), 2-4 weeks I’d be more likely to say something like within a month or so. I just think he was aiming to be as open ended as possible without making it seem it was imminent or miles off or not likely at all. Well crikey, I hope we never meet in the professional capacity If someone on my team said to me "it'll be ready in a few weeks" and meant 12 then I wouldn't be happy lol. Didn't see Sam's Q&A about August, so that's good to know at least. I'll have a read now. Surprised Topper didn't post it in here if I'm honest
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