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Post by oldgas on Aug 4, 2020 13:44:38 GMT
It's literally been designed to maximise the space they had available...the 'funky' design is not for fun, it's to squeeze it in... They have scope to add capacity on 2 of the stands though by the looks of it. Wow, that’s taking squeezing a quart into a pint pot to a whole new level. They must have been taking advice from Persimmon Homes!
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Post by lpgas1 on Aug 4, 2020 13:52:17 GMT
Just looking at aerial photos of Brentford’s new stadium, I wonder if that’s all they could get away with. The space is really tight and is a funny design because of it. Because even though they sold Griffin Park it still wasn't enough cash to pay for this, so they bought the land and then sold chuncks for bolcks of flats to pay for the ground. Definatley public transport to get there, No parking
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Post by lpgas1 on Aug 4, 2020 13:54:42 GMT
Bournemouth survived in the prem for 3 years with a ground with a similar capacity to the mem so I don't think a small ground is any bar to success. That said, I think with any new stadium for us, 20,000 has to be the magic number although I would take anything compared to what we have now as long as it has 4 all seater stands or is joined in a bowl. Anyone have any thoughts on how they'd want any potential new ground to look? Would it be four two tiered stands like Millwall or a bowl effect like Leicester? Or something completely different? I would go for aground like MK Dons. Lots of leg room, kiosks and PADDED seats. So much warmer in the winter
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Post by Gassy on Aug 4, 2020 13:56:48 GMT
The post have said repeatedly in their Q+A's that the sale of the FM land should be completed in August at the consortiums end, first time they've put any sort of timescale on it. That's only half the story though because there's no guarantee that Wael is still looking for investment into the football club so soon after he's taken the reigns from his family. Where did you see that? Just had a look at yesterdays Q&A and I didn't see anything on that?
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Post by lpgas1 on Aug 4, 2020 14:00:21 GMT
Bournemouth survived in the prem for 3 years with a ground with a similar capacity to the mem so I don't think a small ground is any bar to success. That said, I think with any new stadium for us, 20,000 has to be the magic number although I would take anything compared to what we have now as long as it has 4 all seater stands or is joined in a bowl. Anyone have any thoughts on how they'd want any potential new ground to look? Would it be four two tiered stands like Millwall or a bowl effect like Leicester? Or something completely different? I liked the fact that Bolton’s Reebok stadium bucked the trend and wasn’t a “soulless bowl”. I would like four distinct stands, one with a nod to the Tote End and another with a distinctive tower built into it (the crow’s nest ?). Between the stands there could be room to fill them in if extra capacity was warranted, but initially I’d hope they could incorporate a sail (or tent!) effect that reduces wind whipping through the gaps between the stands but substantial enough to look permanent and reinforce the pirate theme. Gun ports or portholes for windows at the back of the stands where food is served out of galleys called Pieces of Ate (play on words) a couple of Yo Ho Ho bars each side but behind the Tote End Stand would be where the Bristol Blue Club, The Bristol Rovers Former Players Association Matchday suite and the Gasworks club memorabilia and museum would be situated (and like all museums the exit would be into the Gas Shop!!) . We’d make the away side change in Davy Jones’s Locker and they’d either run the gauntlet or walk the plank to get on the pitch! Museum? We can put the Watney Cup in it
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Post by axegas on Aug 4, 2020 14:07:31 GMT
The post have said repeatedly in their Q+A's that the sale of the FM land should be completed in August at the consortiums end, first time they've put any sort of timescale on it. That's only half the story though because there's no guarantee that Wael is still looking for investment into the football club so soon after he's taken the reigns from his family. Where did you see that? Just had a look at yesterdays Q&A and I didn't see anything on that? Didn't say it in the last Q+A but the few Q+A's before that they've said that it would be at least until August before the deal for the land is to be done. See their response in this one a few weeks back: www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-rovers-questions-transfers-recap-4344811Always got to take the Q+A's with a pinch of salt though because its often more speculation and hearsay rather than solid information.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 4, 2020 14:08:28 GMT
To me a few weeks would be anything up to three months ( after which it becomes a few months), 2-4 weeks I’d be more likely to say something like within a month or so. I just think he was aiming to be as open ended as possible without making it seem it was imminent or miles off or not likely at all. Well crikey, I hope we never meet in the professional capacity If someone on my team said to me "it'll be ready in a few weeks" and meant 12 then I wouldn't be happy lol. Didn't see Sam's Q&A about August, so that's good to know at least. I'll have a read now. Surprised Topper didn't post it in here if I'm honest Ah yes, but none of my deliverables were given such woolly timescales...they were all man hours based on FTEs assigned...and often they immovable deadlines like Big Bang, Company merger dates, Y2K, Euro conversion, Brexit etc.
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Post by Gassy on Aug 4, 2020 14:21:15 GMT
Where did you see that? Just had a look at yesterdays Q&A and I didn't see anything on that? Didn't say it in the last Q+A but the few Q+A's before that they've said that it would be at least until August before the deal for the land is to be done. See their response in this one a few weeks back: www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-rovers-questions-transfers-recap-4344811Always got to take the Q+A's with a pinch of salt though because its often more speculation and hearsay rather than solid information. Bollocks. Have you not heard of GasChat Fact? You've posted a date here now, it's written in stone.
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Post by tommym9 on Aug 4, 2020 14:34:39 GMT
Well crikey, I hope we never meet in the professional capacity If someone on my team said to me "it'll be ready in a few weeks" and meant 12 then I wouldn't be happy lol. Didn't see Sam's Q&A about August, so that's good to know at least. I'll have a read now. Surprised Topper didn't post it in here if I'm honest Ah yes, but none of my deliverables were given such woolly timescales...they were all man hours based on FTEs assigned...and often they immovable deadlines like Big Bang, Company merger dates, Y2K, Euro conversion, Brexit etc. Ah Y2K. An immeasurable amount of hours put in for most people to say it was over hyped and there was nothing to worry about! Was before my time work wise, but working in the field I can understand the incredible amount of effort put in to make sure it was alright on the night
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Post by yaz on Aug 4, 2020 14:53:47 GMT
They have scope to add capacity on 2 of the stands though by the looks of it. Wow, that’s taking squeezing a quart into a pint pot to a whole new level. They must have been taking advice from Persimmon Homes! Is it me or can anyone see anything resembling a griffin when looking at the stadium from the top and side? No? Oh well, eyesight definitely going!
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Post by yaz on Aug 4, 2020 15:00:34 GMT
Bournemouth survived in the prem for 3 years with a ground with a similar capacity to the mem so I don't think a small ground is any bar to success. That said, I think with any new stadium for us, 20,000 has to be the magic number although I would take anything compared to what we have now as long as it has 4 all seater stands or is joined in a bowl. Anyone have any thoughts on how they'd want any potential new ground to look? Would it be four two tiered stands like Millwall or a bowl effect like Leicester? Or something completely different? I would go for aground like MK Dons. Lots of leg room, kiosks and PADDED seats. So much warmer in the winter Yes but soulless? Too big plus too far from the pitch? Also, built on commercial area. Grounds need plenty of distractions around like pubs, eateries, etc. to make it a pleasant day for all and to split large parties up. Needs to be a little away from residential to reduce any issues for all but good transport links. But all needs to be balanced. Agree with everything else.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 4, 2020 17:08:52 GMT
Ah yes, but none of my deliverables were given such woolly timescales...they were all man hours based on FTEs assigned...and often they immovable deadlines like Big Bang, Company merger dates, Y2K, Euro conversion, Brexit etc. Ah Y2K. An immeasurable amount of hours put in for most people to say it was over hyped and there was nothing to worry about! Was before my time work wise, but working in the field I can understand the incredible amount of effort put in to make sure it was alright on the night Luckily I just had to devise test scripts that covered every transaction/action that our financial technology estate could process and prove the actual result that would arise in production pre 2000 was what occurred in a test environment where the date had been rolled to post 2000. I think the harder part was for the technologists to actually recreate an exact copy of the production environment with all internal and external joins in place between bespoke In-house hardware/software and purchased third party vendor products. Made future system integration testing easier because you had a full test environment available that you could chuck your new piece of kit into and see if it broke anything else! Can’t do that with footballers! You can’t take last season’s team chuck in Tunnicliffe and Hoskins pull out Heffernan and Jones and see immediately that’s going to nosedive in test! So you don’t do it when the real season starts.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 4, 2020 17:42:11 GMT
I liked the fact that Bolton’s Reebok stadium bucked the trend and wasn’t a “soulless bowl”. I would like four distinct stands, one with a nod to the Tote End and another with a distinctive tower built into it (the crow’s nest ?). Between the stands there could be room to fill them in if extra capacity was warranted, but initially I’d hope they could incorporate a sail (or tent!) effect that reduces wind whipping through the gaps between the stands but substantial enough to look permanent and reinforce the pirate theme. Gun ports or portholes for windows at the back of the stands where food is served out of galleys called Pieces of Ate (play on words) a couple of Yo Ho Ho bars each side but behind the Tote End Stand would be where the Bristol Blue Club, The Bristol Rovers Former Players Association Matchday suite and the Gasworks club memorabilia and museum would be situated (and like all museums the exit would be into the Gas Shop!!) . We’d make the away side change in Davy Jones’s Locker and they’d either run the gauntlet or walk the plank to get on the pitch! Museum? We can put the Watney Cup in it We can serve Watneys Red Barrel next to it (please no!). Funnily enough it was an online exchange with your mate Geoff D in his section on the old official forum where the idea of a Rovers oriented exhibition area at any potential new ground was first mooted. One of the things we discussed was getting soundbites from the last survivors of the 1953 promotion team recorded and archived before they sadly left us....so that some of it could be used either as part of audio soundtrack equipment as you walked around or available at standalone points near an exhibit relevant to them. Whilst that opportunity is gone getting the 1973 survivors to get something recorded should be done. There’s a famous pic of Smash and Grab on the training pitch together, a curated and edited interview with the two of them reminiscing about the 27 game unbeaten run available next to that picture and the eight Brighton goals on loop would be the centrepiece of that section. Kits through the ages could adorn the walls, the significant change in football equipment the players had to cope with shin pads, boots, footballs themselves. Official rovers accounts of the bribery scandal, the Bert Hoyle car accident that caused his premature retirement and meant that the player driving him would never be picked for the rovers again. We could have interactive Stories of a Season sections where you can select a season and the available sports pages covering rovers and other teams/sports could be viewed...not only do you get the rovers result but you get to see who else played that day, what the effect on the current table was and what else happened on the same day. For example, I remember Rovers failing 2-1 at Griffin Park to all but end our promotion aspirations and then that fading into insignificance once the horrors of Hillsborough became clear. It would not just be a museum of artefacts but a museum of context. Of course DC will have his own print that bastard corner, complete with Happy Days quotes and the Chelsea Fabregas story! I’m sure some gasheads would find an excuse to go in there and have a wallow amongst stories they remember or they were told by an immediate family member.
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Post by playtowin on Aug 4, 2020 19:55:23 GMT
Museum? We can put the Watney Cup in it We can serve Watneys Red Barrel next to it (please no!). Funnily enough it was an online exchange with your mate Geoff D in his section on the old official forum where the idea of a Rovers oriented exhibition area at any potential new ground was first mooted. One of the things we discussed was getting soundbites from the last survivors of the 1953 promotion team recorded and archived before they sadly left us....so that some of it could be used either as part of audio soundtrack equipment as you walked around or available at standalone points near an exhibit relevant to them. Whilst that opportunity is gone getting the 1973 survivors to get something recorded should be done. There’s a famous pic of Smash and Grab on the training pitch together, a curated and edited interview with the two of them reminiscing about the 27 game unbeaten run available next to that picture and the eight Brighton goals on loop would be the centrepiece of that section. Kits through the ages could adorn the walls, the significant change in football equipment the players had to cope with shin pads, boots, footballs themselves. Official rovers accounts of the bribery scandal, the Bert Hoyle car accident that caused his premature retirement and meant that the player driving him would never be picked for the rovers again. We could have interactive Stories of a Season sections where you can select a season and the available sports pages covering rovers and other teams/sports could be viewed...not only do you get the rovers result but you get to see who else played that day, what the effect on the current table was and what else happened on the same day. For example, I remember Rovers failing 2-1 at Griffin Park to all but end our promotion aspirations and then that fading into insignificance once the horrors of Hillsborough became clear. It would not just be a museum of artefacts but a museum of context. Of course DC will have his own print that bastard corner, complete with Happy Days quotes and the Chelsea Fabregas story! I’m sure some gasheads would find an excuse to go in there and have a wallow amongst stories they remember or they were told by an immediate family member. To be honest the memories of anyone of an elder age would be worth recording. Whether player staff , fan or spouse/offspring of someone recalling them going off on matchday.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 4, 2020 20:14:22 GMT
Bournemouth survived in the prem for 3 years with a ground with a similar capacity to the mem so I don't think a small ground is any bar to success. That said, I think with any new stadium for us, 20,000 has to be the magic number although I would take anything compared to what we have now as long as it has 4 all seater stands or is joined in a bowl. Anyone have any thoughts on how they'd want any potential new ground to look? Would it be four two tiered stands like Millwall or a bowl effect like Leicester? Or something completely different? Bournemouth are now looking like complete divs, they spent 5 years in the top flight and have made no investment in their facilities. Long term that will be a massive error. Perhaps. But it will depend on what happens next season, it could turn out as you imply or they could return. Though without EH.... But yes the question of what legacy the PL has left them is an interesting one. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 4, 2020 20:16:05 GMT
Bournemouth are now looking like complete divs, they spent 5 years in the top flight and have made no investment in their facilities. Long term that will be a massive error. I thought they were looking to relocate to a new site and build a bigger stadium. Board haven’t done anything about it for about two and a half years. Unlikely to happen at the moment, UTG!
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Post by singupgas on Aug 5, 2020 12:41:30 GMT
If we do ever build a ground, 20k and something that doesn't look to generic would be lovely.
Still waiting to hear what is going on behind the scenes though... Martin?
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 5, 2020 14:52:55 GMT
If Championship football is the aim then looking at these figures the capacity sweetspot seems to be in the area of 20-22k. www.soccerstats.com/attendance.asp?league=england2In terms of design, I've always liked Home Park in terms of three sides with a separate main stand. If the Mem was to have been progressed that is what I'd have looked at. As for a new build, I prefer a continous single tiered 'bowl' design over two tiers. Having said that, I'd take most things if it provided a new stadium.
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Post by oldgas on Aug 5, 2020 17:01:01 GMT
If Championship football is the aim then looking at these figures the capacity sweetspot seems to be in the area of 20-22k. www.soccerstats.com/attendance.asp?league=england2In terms of design, I've always liked Home Park in terms of three sides with a separate main stand. If the Mem was to have been progressed that is what I'd have looked at. As for a new build, I prefer a continous single tiered 'bowl' design over two tiers. Having said that, I'd take most things if it provided a new stadium. Well I won’t be happy unless it’s got a 35,000 capacity with 60 exec boxes and a wrap around bar that is much bigger that at Trashton. So there!
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Post by Goose on Aug 6, 2020 8:36:28 GMT
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