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Post by swissgas on Jan 10, 2021 17:56:41 GMT
Right now we are in a grave situation so the top priority must be to ensure we have access to sufficient cash to keep the business running.
But, assuming that is being taken care of, there is no reason to stop probing for opportunities to finally resolve the stadium issue.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 10, 2021 17:59:32 GMT
Hancock is suggesting every UK citizen will be vaccinated by the autumn, assuming that's case then life will return to something approaching normality by next winter. No doubt that will upset the doom merchants. In some areas yes. But you're completely missing the point that some changes have been bought forward (or about entirely) . For instance 'office' jobs may have changed for good, with many office workers enjoying a more home based job. And the move to doing more online has been bought forward years out of necessity. That's just two examples. Any chance you could PM me the new stadium plans so I can see what there large public areas look like?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 10, 2021 18:04:25 GMT
In some areas yes. But you're completely missing the point that some changes have been bought forward (or about entirely) . For instance 'office' jobs may have changed for good, with many office workers enjoying a more home based job. And the move to doing more online has been bought forward years out of necessity. That's just two examples. Any chance you could PM me the new stadium plans so I can see what there large public areas look like? Don’t have any and I don’t see what that would have to do with it anyway.
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Post by axegas on Jan 10, 2021 18:07:03 GMT
Hancock is suggesting every UK citizen will be vaccinated by the autumn, assuming that's case then life will return to something approaching normality by next winter. No doubt that will upset the doom merchants. In some areas yes. But you're completely missing the point that some changes have been bought forward (or about entirely) . For instance 'office' jobs may have changed for good, with many office workers enjoying a more home based job. And the move to doing more online has been bought forward years out of necessity. That's just two examples. Same with the impact on the cinema industry which has caused streaming of some films the day that they are released. The pandemic will have a long lasting effect on the way industries operate regardless of if it does or doesn’t go away in six months. A stadium infrastructure project is massively expensive and will almost certainly need external investment. The problem is that this investment normally only comes in times of economic expansion, when investors can be reasonably sure that office and retail space will be in demand by potential tenants and leisure facilities will see footfall from consumers willing to spend money. All of this economic activity has been curtailed by the pandemic and will be affected for months to come until at least the complete eradication of the virus as a threat to public health in the UK and probably beyond. Therefore a club like Rovers will find it hard to find investment forthcoming for this kind of thing and I’m going to assume that Rovers have a vague idea of what they want to do without having the means to be able to follow through with it just yet. So like it or not we’re just going to have to ride out this wave of economic uncertainty and stagnation for at least a few years until better times arrive. When the economic recovery does finally arrive, I hope we will be in a position to take advantage of it. Certainly I can see the government being in favour of things like stadium projects, to help get the economy up and running to pre 2020 levels again.
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Post by amgas on Jan 10, 2021 18:08:27 GMT
Or I could re-write that one for you .....
Many employers have realised they don't need local staff thanks to online working. Work can be done from anywhere in the world. Many UK based office workers will now find they are "enjoying" more time at home ..... just not working. :-(
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 10, 2021 18:46:30 GMT
Or I could re-write that one for you ..... Many employers have realised they don't need local staff thanks to online working. Work can be done from anywhere in the world. Many UK based office workers will now find they are "enjoying" more time at home ..... just not working. :-( As I’ve said to this argument on here before it’s nothing new, been tried before remote working in the UK took off, and was found to be wanting. As an office worker in the technology area I’m not worried about this.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 10, 2021 19:02:55 GMT
In some areas yes. But you're completely missing the point that some changes have been bought forward (or about entirely) . For instance 'office' jobs may have changed for good, with many office workers enjoying a more home based job. And the move to doing more online has been bought forward years out of necessity. That's just two examples. Same with the impact on the cinema industry which has caused streaming of some films the day that they are released. The pandemic will have a long lasting effect on the way industries operate regardless of if it does or doesn’t go away in six months. A stadium infrastructure project is massively expensive and will almost certainly need external investment. The problem is that this investment normally only comes in times of economic expansion, when investors can be reasonably sure that office and retail space will be in demand by potential tenants and leisure facilities will see footfall from consumers willing to spend money. All of this economic activity has been curtailed by the pandemic and will be affected for months to come until at least the complete eradication of the virus as a threat to public health in the UK and probably beyond. Therefore a club like Rovers will find it hard to find investment forthcoming for this kind of thing and I’m going to assume that Rovers have a vague idea of what they want to do without having the means to be able to follow through with it just yet. So like it or not we’re just going to have to ride out this wave of economic uncertainty and stagnation for at least a few years until better times arrive. When the economic recovery does finally arrive, I hope we will be in a position to take advantage of it. Certainly I can see the government being in favour of things like stadium projects, to help get the economy up and running to pre 2020 levels again. This recession is an 'interesting' one. It's caused not by a market overheating or by a massive contraction in consumer demand, it's caused by a pandemic meaning people can want to spend all they like, and be able to spend, but they can't. Therefore it'll be 'interesting' when normality is restored, as those who haven't had their income impacted adversely by the pandemic will likely go a bit spending mad. There's pent up tourism and leisure demand for instance which will likely go into overdrive once the floodgates are opened which could very well generate new jobs to cover those which have been lost during the pandemic. GDP could very well recover fairly quickly. Structurally, the changes we've seen over the pandemic will cause some nasty knock on impacts. For instance, office areas in the city centres which used to be bustling and rammed with coffee shops, cafes and restaurants which might very well start to struggle. For example, I'd be bloody nervous if I worked in a sandwich shop in St Nicks market. But then again, demand will move elsewhere onto our local high streets which have been struggling for a long time to fulfil the demand for the office workers who want a fancy ass panini to go with their flat white. With regard to leisure though I'd not be too worried if I was running a cinema multiplex chain or bowling company. You can have a great soundbar and TV setup but unless you've got a mansion and have cinema grade equipment in a cinema room you probably can't beat the experience of seeing a film on a big screen. If people are happy to keep persisting with that sort of thing, then the cinemas can focus more on the luxury of going to see a film at the cinema. Drinks and snacks just aren't the same at home either. Again, this sort of thing is nothing new, as the competition is already fierce. I think there will still be demand here.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 10, 2021 20:26:41 GMT
Not even sure the local high street sandwich/coffee shops will benefit as if you're WFH why are you going to drive or walk to the high st when you can just walk to your kitchen and make a sandwich/coffee? Although I wonder if employers will still be embracing WFH if productivity starts to drop.
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Post by oldgas on Jan 10, 2021 22:15:37 GMT
Don’t know why this is being discussed again really.
The owner has said the project has been paused. Nothing more to be said until he un-pauses it.
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Post by Goose on Jan 10, 2021 22:32:19 GMT
Don’t know why this is being discussed again really. The owner has said the project has been paused. Nothing more to be said until he un-pauses it. He could un-pause it at any time though
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 11, 2021 8:44:46 GMT
Don’t know why this is being discussed again really. The owner has said the project has been paused. Nothing more to be said until he un-pauses it. I mean, there's not loads to do at the moment so people are probably just passing time.
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Post by oldgas on Jan 11, 2021 9:24:28 GMT
Don’t know why this is being discussed again really. The owner has said the project has been paused. Nothing more to be said until he un-pauses it. I mean, there's not loads to do at the moment so people are probably just passing time. Suppose so.
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Post by oldgas on Jan 11, 2021 9:24:59 GMT
Don’t know why this is being discussed again really. The owner has said the project has been paused. Nothing more to be said until he un-pauses it. He could un-pause it at any time though Indeed he could.
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 11, 2021 9:50:08 GMT
I mean, there's not loads to do at the moment so people are probably just passing time. Suppose so. Realistically until anything significant is done the stadium will always hang over the custodians of the club. There was a brief respite at the end of the 20th century when we acquired the Mem but, either developing what we have or building something new has always been a key issue. Until something substantial is built the club will continue to tread water with regards to revenue streams when there is a return to normality. I've said it before but the clock zeroed again for me with the AQ v2.0 ownership, despite the pandemic though the clock is ticking. Every year that goes by with no development is detrimental to the long term future of the club and unfortunately at some point somebody is going to have to put their hands into their pockets. Again, not a criticism of the ownership, just a stark point about where we are.
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Post by Westy on Jan 11, 2021 10:06:43 GMT
Or I could re-write that one for you ..... Many employers have realised they don't need local staff thanks to online working. Work can be done from anywhere in the world. Many UK based office workers will now find they are "enjoying" more time at home ..... just not working. :-( As I’ve said to this argument on here before it’s nothing new, been tried before remote working in the UK took off, and was found to be wanting. As an office worker in the technology area I’m not worried about this. Unfortunately, the move to remote desktopping will lead to an increase in overseas outsourcing. We've seen it happen over multiple sectors in history, this could be the catalyst for another corner. If there doesn't need to be staff in the office, they don't need to be in the country.. 😔
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 11, 2021 10:12:55 GMT
Realistically until anything significant is done the stadium will always hang over the custodians of the club. There was a brief respite at the end of the 20th century when we acquired the Mem but, either developing what we have or building something new has always been a key issue. Until something substantial is built the club will continue to tread water with regards to revenue streams when there is a return to normality. I've said it before but the clock zeroed again for me with the AQ v2.0 ownership, despite the pandemic though the clock is ticking. Every year that goes by with no development is detrimental to the long term future of the club and unfortunately at some point somebody is going to have to put their hands into their pockets. Again, not a criticism of the ownership, just a stark point about where we are. Agree with that although any external investors may want to hold back and reassess which could be months or more of further delay or even eventually abandoning the project. I wonder what it would take for any meaningful action to happen at the Mem, even a single new stand would help aesthetics, morale and atmosphere. I guess if the plan is to relocate within 5 years it wouldn't make financial sense, although that 5 years is becoming a rolling time frame. Shame we can't run a plan B in tandem as a 'just in case' option. As I understand it, Championship football would give us three years to bring the Mem up to standard but we could get an extension if plans are in build. Problem is I can't see us sustaining Championship football for that long anyway with facilities (especially revenue generating ones) as they are. The glass ceiling is getting harder to break through.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 11, 2021 11:57:04 GMT
As I’ve said to this argument on here before it’s nothing new, been tried before remote working in the UK took off, and was found to be wanting. As an office worker in the technology area I’m not worried about this. Unfortunately, the move to remote desktopping will lead to an increase in overseas outsourcing. We've seen it happen over multiple sectors in history, this could be the catalyst for another corner. If there doesn't need to be staff in the office, they don't need to be in the country.. 😔 Of course it will happen in some instances. But the quality isn’t there. I’ve been offered a job previously where an employer needed to hire a technical team domestically to ‘translate’ because the communication barrier was difficult enough without having to worry about communicate technical needs too (turned it down because they came across as a horrible company to work for). I’ve also been asked to apply for roles where the employer was bringing everything back after outsourcing because the outsourced team made such a hash of things. Some companies will try it but they might just find they’re in for a shock when the money saved caused just as much in costs elsewhere.
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Post by bluegas on Jan 11, 2021 12:40:44 GMT
Not even sure the local high street sandwich/coffee shops will benefit as if you're WFH why are you going to drive or walk to the high st when you can just walk to your kitchen and make a sandwich/coffee? Although I wonder if employers will still be embracing WFH if productivity starts to drop. Wanna bet? ? My neighbours do - walk over to McDonald's for a couple of coffees. No idea why - surely could make their own.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 13:34:41 GMT
Not even sure the local high street sandwich/coffee shops will benefit as if you're WFH why are you going to drive or walk to the high st when you can just walk to your kitchen and make a sandwich/coffee? Although I wonder if employers will still be embracing WFH if productivity starts to drop. Wanna bet? ? My neighbours do - walk over to McDonald's for a couple of coffees. No idea why - surely could make their own. If you go to McDonalds for coffee, it aint for the coffee. Its just escapism, a brief break from the mundane reality of what their lives have become. A desperate pit of misery against a back drop of a grey and gloomy future with no..... sorry you get the picture.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 11, 2021 13:37:14 GMT
Wanna bet? ? My neighbours do - walk over to McDonald's for a couple of coffees. No idea why - surely could make their own. If you go to McDonalds for coffee, it aint for the coffee. Its just escapism, a brief break from the mundane reality of what their lives have become. A desperate pit of misery against a back drop of a grey and gloomy future with no..... sorry you get the picture. Have you been stalking me again? 😶
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