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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 13:42:11 GMT
If you go to McDonalds for coffee, it aint for the coffee. Its just escapism, a brief break from the mundane reality of what their lives have become. A desperate pit of misery against a back drop of a grey and gloomy future with no..... sorry you get the picture. Have you been stalking me again? 😶 Skinny Mocha Frocha Latte please Stu, thanks for asking. No Sugar!
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 11, 2021 13:53:15 GMT
Have you been stalking me again? 😶 Skinny Mocha Frocha Latte please Stu, thanks for asking. No Sugar! I'll ask my boss to get it for you, still enjoying my promotion from sweeping the floor to flipping the burgers. Hope it's not too cold for you sitting near the entrance.
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Post by singupgas on Jan 11, 2021 18:02:27 GMT
I think stadium has been dead long time, covid been the nails in the coffin.
Don't believe Wael has money himself you need to build a stadium and just can't see investors coming in handing over 10s of millions.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 11, 2021 18:13:52 GMT
Wanna bet? ? My neighbours do - walk over to McDonald's for a couple of coffees. No idea why - surely could make their own. If you go to McDonalds for coffee, it aint for the coffee. Its just escapism, a brief break from the mundane reality of what their lives have become. A desperate pit of misery against a back drop of a grey and gloomy future with no..... sorry you get the picture. Hence why WFH is not as attractive as it's made out to be!
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 11, 2021 18:16:20 GMT
Realistically until anything significant is done the stadium will always hang over the custodians of the club. There was a brief respite at the end of the 20th century when we acquired the Mem but, either developing what we have or building something new has always been a key issue. Until something substantial is built the club will continue to tread water with regards to revenue streams when there is a return to normality. I've said it before but the clock zeroed again for me with the AQ v2.0 ownership, despite the pandemic though the clock is ticking. Every year that goes by with no development is detrimental to the long term future of the club and unfortunately at some point somebody is going to have to put their hands into their pockets. Again, not a criticism of the ownership, just a stark point about where we are. Agree with that although any external investors may want to hold back and reassess which could be months or more of further delay or even eventually abandoning the project. I wonder what it would take for any meaningful action to happen at the Mem, even a single new stand would help aesthetics, morale and atmosphere. I guess if the plan is to relocate within 5 years it wouldn't make financial sense, although that 5 years is becoming a rolling time frame. Shame we can't run a plan B in tandem as a 'just in case' option. As I understand it, Championship football would give us three years to bring the Mem up to standard but we could get an extension if plans are in build. Problem is I can't see us sustaining Championship football for that long anyway with facilities (especially revenue generating ones) as they are. The glass ceiling is getting harder to break through. I wonder if the club have looked at building proper permanent stands to replace the South and South West stand tents which other L1 clubs seem to have installed?
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 5, 2021 11:09:49 GMT
www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/bold-vision-unveiled-for-st-philips-marsh/Whilst this is clearly just another persons view it does illustrate a couple of issues that effect any proposed development plans in the Bristol area. Firstly, there’s a huge pressure on land in Bristol to gain the highest possible financial return. There’s barely a square inch in Bristol and South Gloucestershire that someone doesn’t feel they can make some money out of. Secondly, the time scales involved in large developments are measured in decades. I think this affects us in two ways. Firstly you need a huge amount of money to compete with efficient corporations obtaining land for development. There are now people with vast amounts of tax free cash waiting to gobble up sites to create even more money. Secondly with the rate of change occurring at the top level of professional sport those that don’t compete soon will be lost forever, at least at the top level. Whilst our CEO tells us nothing can be done because of Covid many other organisations don’t enjoy the luxury of putting their feet up and waiting for all this to go away. They will be implementing plans whilst the weaker organisations sit twiddling their thumbs. Now is the time for Wael to make some real world decisions (Have merged with the older FM thread -AF)
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 5, 2021 11:17:52 GMT
Combine residential, commercial and a football stadium like Plough Lane
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 5, 2021 11:21:16 GMT
According to some on the other forum, things may have already moved on regardless, leaving us in its tracks.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 5, 2021 11:30:09 GMT
(merged)
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 5, 2021 11:33:13 GMT
According to some on the other forum, things may have already moved on regardless, leaving us in its tracks. It all was all a pipe dream, that kept some people in a comfortable job. It’s so frustrating to hear fans falling for this BS time after time
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 5, 2021 11:37:21 GMT
According to some on the other forum, things may have already moved on regardless, leaving us in its tracks. Can you share details? It’s like a cryptic crossword on there.
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Feb 5, 2021 11:40:53 GMT
www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/bold-vision-unveiled-for-st-philips-marsh/Whilst this is clearly just another persons view it does illustrate a couple of issues that effect any proposed development plans in the Bristol area. Firstly, there’s a huge pressure on land in Bristol to gain the highest possible financial return. There’s barely a square inch in Bristol and South Gloucestershire that someone doesn’t feel they can make some money out of. Secondly, the time scales involved in large developments are measured in decades. I think this affects us in two ways. Firstly you need a huge amount of money to compete with efficient corporations obtaining land for development. There are now people with vast amounts of tax free cash waiting to gobble up sites to create even more money. Secondly with the rate of change occurring at the top level of professional sport those that don’t compete soon will be lost forever, at least at the top level. Whilst our CEO tells us nothing can be done because of Covid many other organisations don’t enjoy the luxury of putting their feet up and waiting for all this to go away. They will be implementing plans whilst the weaker organisations sit twiddling their thumbs. Now is the time for Wael to make some real world decisions (Have merged with the older FM thread -AF) Generic, bland and just like any other inner city development! From a very quick watch on the overview video couple of key points that jump out in my view that would get shot down quite quickly i think. Stack'em him living units. - This is not homes. the devil is in the detail here. The reason there is no public transport currently is that it's an industrial area! What happens to the businesses that remain? Are you going to stop them shift working because it's now a residential area? Leaving the fruit market to continue as is, creates a donut effect with residential property around the outside. - Frankly Bizzare. Good first effort Kids! An excellent presentation, but need to think a little harder about the content! Score C+
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 5, 2021 11:55:26 GMT
www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/bold-vision-unveiled-for-st-philips-marsh/Whilst this is clearly just another persons view it does illustrate a couple of issues that effect any proposed development plans in the Bristol area. Firstly, there’s a huge pressure on land in Bristol to gain the highest possible financial return. There’s barely a square inch in Bristol and South Gloucestershire that someone doesn’t feel they can make some money out of. Secondly, the time scales involved in large developments are measured in decades. I think this affects us in two ways. Firstly you need a huge amount of money to compete with efficient corporations obtaining land for development. There are now people with vast amounts of tax free cash waiting to gobble up sites to create even more money. Secondly with the rate of change occurring at the top level of professional sport those that don’t compete soon will be lost forever, at least at the top level. Whilst our CEO tells us nothing can be done because of Covid many other organisations don’t enjoy the luxury of putting their feet up and waiting for all this to go away. They will be implementing plans whilst the weaker organisations sit twiddling their thumbs. Now is the time for Wael to make some real world decisions (Have merged with the older FM thread -AF) Generic, bland and just like any other inner city development! From a very quick watch on the overview video couple of key points that jump out in my view that would get shot down quite quickly i think. Stack'em him living units. - This is not homes. the devil is in the detail here. The reason there is no public transport currently is that it's an industrial area! What happens to the businesses that remain? Are you going to stop them shift working because it's now a residential area? Leaving the fruit market to continue as is, creates a donut effect with residential property around the outside. - Frankly Bizzare. Good first effort Kids! An excellent presentation, but need to think a little harder about the content! Score C+ I think the point of the article was not that it came up with any usable solution but it highlights the how people attempt to push back against the inevitable commercial development of sites in Bristol with little consideration for any sense of community. I’m not sure there’s any need to be condescending to young academics attempting to address the issues of some of the awful developments in the Greater Bristol area.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 5, 2021 12:05:20 GMT
According to some on the other forum, things may have already moved on regardless, leaving us in its tracks. Can you share details? It’s like a cryptic crossword on there. Hag acts strangely (7).
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Post by axegas on Feb 5, 2021 12:17:33 GMT
According to some on the other forum, things may have already moved on regardless, leaving us in its tracks. Can you share details? It’s like a cryptic crossword on there. This was posted on the other forum by a poster called gasandproud: “I was one of the two local Gasheads who brought that second scheme that Swiss talks about to Rovers. Both of us are long-standing Gas Heads and in the not too distant future you will likely see details of what may go ahead without Rovers. Most sensible supporters may ask why on earth Rovers wouldn’t be involved. Since the initial ‘very close but no cigar’ moment that Swiss mentions I have tried, tried, tried, tried and tried again to re engage with the club and just meet excuse after excuse to the point it’s unprofessional and quite frankly laughable. There is absolutely no reason for the club not at least to have re engaged in discussions but alas it is not to be and we are now at the point which it probably is too late. I am incredibly frustrated and disappointed (because I am so passionate about our club). I have come off of social media for the fear I say something I regret! Clearly I am not going to go into detail (I can’t) but anyone who knows me knows the lengths we have gone to and the 18 months to two years of hard work we have put in. Those who know me will also know I am not in the business of making something like this up. I have toyed and toyed for months over whether to say anything but I feel at this point supporters do need to know that the club have had at least one credible opportunity to progress with a plan for the future. I suspect (and I can only suspect as I can’t say this factually) that the current board who I believe are salaried individuals wouldn’t necessarily want progress for the club through fear that it may mean their future isn’t so secure. None of them are Gasheads as far as I am aware (so I don’t actually blame them). All of the above aside just think about that set up.... a board full of salaried employees without an objective / unbiased view on the overall situation... How on earth can that be good for the progress of the club? I believe the line used about us / our scheme was a lack of credibility. That is difficult to answer at this stage because I guess the proof of how credible we are / the scheme is will depend on whether it gets over the line. What I can say is that if and when it comes into the public domain we can be judged on that point but the people and stakeholders so far engaged would not be deemed not credible so it is obviously serious enough for other large organisations to be interested! Other than a deep sense of regret on my part that I couldn’t get Rovers involved I still desperately want the club to progress. I have learned a lot personally and it’s fair to say mistakes have also been made on my side as well. Having seen lasts night debacle and looking at the overall mess we are in I just feel a sense of sadness that we are on a seemingly downward spiral yet again.”
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Post by axegas on Feb 5, 2021 12:33:18 GMT
Can you share details? It’s like a cryptic crossword on there. Hag acts strangely (7). Macbeth?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 5, 2021 12:35:23 GMT
Can you share details? It’s like a cryptic crossword on there. This was posted on the other forum by a poster called gasandproud: “I was one of the two local Gasheads who brought that second scheme that Swiss talks about to Rovers. Both of us are long-standing Gas Heads and in the not too distant future you will likely see details of what may go ahead without Rovers. Most sensible supporters may ask why on earth Rovers wouldn’t be involved. Since the initial ‘very close but no cigar’ moment that Swiss mentions I have tried, tried, tried, tried and tried again to re engage with the club and just meet excuse after excuse to the point it’s unprofessional and quite frankly laughable. There is absolutely no reason for the club not at least to have re engaged in discussions but alas it is not to be and we are now at the point which it probably is too late. I am incredibly frustrated and disappointed (because I am so passionate about our club). I have come off of social media for the fear I say something I regret! Clearly I am not going to go into detail (I can’t) but anyone who knows me knows the lengths we have gone to and the 18 months to two years of hard work we have put in. Those who know me will also know I am not in the business of making something like this up. I have toyed and toyed for months over whether to say anything but I feel at this point supporters do need to know that the club have had at least one credible opportunity to progress with a plan for the future. I suspect (and I can only suspect as I can’t say this factually) that the current board who I believe are salaried individuals wouldn’t necessarily want progress for the club through fear that it may mean their future isn’t so secure. None of them are Gasheads as far as I am aware (so I don’t actually blame them). All of the above aside just think about that set up.... a board full of salaried employees without an objective / unbiased view on the overall situation... How on earth can that be good for the progress of the club? I believe the line used about us / our scheme was a lack of credibility. That is difficult to answer at this stage because I guess the proof of how credible we are / the scheme is will depend on whether it gets over the line. What I can say is that if and when it comes into the public domain we can be judged on that point but the people and stakeholders so far engaged would not be deemed not credible so it is obviously serious enough for other large organisations to be interested! Other than a deep sense of regret on my part that I couldn’t get Rovers involved I still desperately want the club to progress. I have learned a lot personally and it’s fair to say mistakes have also been made on my side as well. Having seen lasts night debacle and looking at the overall mess we are in I just feel a sense of sadness that we are on a seemingly downward spiral yet again.” Thanks, tried searching all kinds of keywords on there but couldn’t actually find anything - always seems to be on a thread going off on a massive tangent.
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Post by corfugas on Feb 5, 2021 12:37:54 GMT
Can you share details? It’s like a cryptic crossword on there. Hag acts strangely (7). Catshag?
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Post by daniel300380 on Feb 5, 2021 12:40:12 GMT
Can you share details? It’s like a cryptic crossword on there. This was posted on the other forum by a poster called gasandproud: “I was one of the two local Gasheads who brought that second scheme that Swiss talks about to Rovers. Both of us are long-standing Gas Heads and in the not too distant future you will likely see details of what may go ahead without Rovers. Most sensible supporters may ask why on earth Rovers wouldn’t be involved. Since the initial ‘very close but no cigar’ moment that Swiss mentions I have tried, tried, tried, tried and tried again to re engage with the club and just meet excuse after excuse to the point it’s unprofessional and quite frankly laughable. There is absolutely no reason for the club not at least to have re engaged in discussions but alas it is not to be and we are now at the point which it probably is too late. I am incredibly frustrated and disappointed (because I am so passionate about our club). I have come off of social media for the fear I say something I regret! Clearly I am not going to go into detail (I can’t) but anyone who knows me knows the lengths we have gone to and the 18 months to two years of hard work we have put in. Those who know me will also know I am not in the business of making something like this up. I have toyed and toyed for months over whether to say anything but I feel at this point supporters do need to know that the club have had at least one credible opportunity to progress with a plan for the future. I suspect (and I can only suspect as I can’t say this factually) that the current board who I believe are salaried individuals wouldn’t necessarily want progress for the club through fear that it may mean their future isn’t so secure. None of them are Gasheads as far as I am aware (so I don’t actually blame them). All of the above aside just think about that set up.... a board full of salaried employees without an objective / unbiased view on the overall situation... How on earth can that be good for the progress of the club? I believe the line used about us / our scheme was a lack of credibility. That is difficult to answer at this stage because I guess the proof of how credible we are / the scheme is will depend on whether it gets over the line. What I can say is that if and when it comes into the public domain we can be judged on that point but the people and stakeholders so far engaged would not be deemed not credible so it is obviously serious enough for other large organisations to be interested! Other than a deep sense of regret on my part that I couldn’t get Rovers involved I still desperately want the club to progress. I have learned a lot personally and it’s fair to say mistakes have also been made on my side as well. Having seen lasts night debacle and looking at the overall mess we are in I just feel a sense of sadness that we are on a seemingly downward spiral yet again.” So before they were saying that the current owners were not involved. That new buyers were involved and were going to buy the club, once the deal was sorted. That people did not want to with the current board, that’s why they were working with other people. Now that it might not be happening, they have changed and are trying to blame the current board again. Suddenly they tried to get them involved, but they couldn’t??? Whole thing is just confusing and the story keeps being changed. Or is this another project they are talking about??
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Post by yattongas on Feb 5, 2021 12:47:36 GMT
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