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Post by warehamgas on Apr 4, 2023 15:43:20 GMT
Come on baggins, where did I say he hasn’t done more…. I didn’t. I do know he done more and I’ve said it several times. And recently I haven’t heard of any clubs going bust. Have you, if so who? Lots of other clubs with financial problems don’t have Wael and they’re still here. If he’s spending “as much as he can afford” (and I have no problem with that) why did he buy us when, had he done his homework, he would have known we need a new ground which then would have cost £20m+ (?). He knew he would have to spend major on a new ground. If he didn’t know that then his ability as an owner comes into question. We really have got to get away from those who will not allow any questioning of Wael and his ability to deliver on the new ground. If he can’t afford it then I’m afraid that’s his problem (although it’s probably our problem), he shouldn’t buy a football club needing major investment if that were the case. Let’s have a grown up discussion about the ground without any questioning of Wael being pounced upon as some kind of heresy. It really doesn’t help BRFC. UTG! No problem having a genuine grown up discussion about infrastructure or lack of it. What I have witnessed on here over the years is that the smallest tidbit of negativity is amplified and span into something it doesn't need to be, arguably by some with certain motives for doing so. Because of this, those who are in the 'glass half full' camp have become more alert to this and find it tiresome and irritating, which leads to a questioning of hidden motives. Unfortunately, some with genuine interest in debating get caught up in that baggage. Stuart, I’m not sure what camp I’m in.🤔 All I can say is that I’m in the BRFC camp and thought that after so long a wait a new ground was likely to occur. All the things Wael said in 2016 were positive regarding the ‘new ground’. But apart from those two eve of season announcements, one very late on the Friday night before the Charlton opener in ‘17 and one at Blackpool in ‘19 re the FM we’ve had nothing. Our debt has increased and position wise we’re almost exactly the same. Of course there have been improvements but these will always be seen as less important to the major issue of the ground. And until that elephant in the room is removed we’ll likely meander around in League 1 / League 2 (hopefully not!) because of our inability to generate income. But what I won’t do is believe all the stuff about Wael being unable to be questioned and that he is the next best thing since sliced bread. People do not have to have a binary choice about him, there are considered positions in between. Hey ho. UTG! |
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 4, 2023 15:53:56 GMT
Come on baggins, where did I say he hasn’t done more…. I didn’t. I do know he done more and I’ve said it several times. And recently I haven’t heard of any clubs going bust. Have you, if so who? Lots of other clubs with financial problems don’t have Wael and they’re still here. If he’s spending “as much as he can afford” (and I have no problem with that) why did he buy us when, had he done his homework, he would have known we need a new ground which then would have cost £20m+ (?). He knew he would have to spend major on a new ground. If he didn’t know that then his ability as an owner comes into question. We really have got to get away from those who will not allow any questioning of Wael and his ability to deliver on the new ground. If he can’t afford it then I’m afraid that’s his problem (although it’s probably our problem), he shouldn’t buy a football club needing major investment if that were the case. Let’s have a grown up discussion about the ground without any questioning of Wael being pounced upon as some kind of heresy. It really doesn’t help BRFC. UTG! So you want to line him up, forget about everything else, and demand a new Stadium. And if he can't deliver, line him up, forget about everything else, and demand why. Again, where have I said that? Who’s “demanding”? But after 7 years I think fans have a right to ask questions, not accept the mantra, so often used as an answer, that “everyone is working very hard behind the scenes”. Unless people, leaders, those in power are questioned and held to account nothing changes. I think that would be wrong. But of course others have different opinions. It’s a forum. But seriously baggins, it’s always good to talk to you! 👍 UTG! |
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Post by trueblur4u on Apr 4, 2023 16:26:52 GMT
Everyone appears to be petrified to ask Wael what the hell is going with the stadium situation and progress.
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Post by trueblur4u on Apr 4, 2023 16:35:44 GMT
Always thought "working hard behind the scenes" was an easy answer and a copout!
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Post by baggins on Apr 4, 2023 16:36:56 GMT
So you want to line him up, forget about everything else, and demand a new Stadium. And if he can't deliver, line him up, forget about everything else, and demand why. Again, where have I said that? Who’s “demanding”? But after 7 years I think fans have a right to ask questions, not accept the mantra, so often used as an answer, that “everyone is working very hard behind the scenes”. Unless people, leaders, those in power are questioned and held to account nothing changes. I think that would be wrong. But of course others have different opinions. It’s a forum. But seriously baggins, it’s always good to talk to you! 👍 UTG! You too Chap. You're wrong, but always interesting 😄 |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 4, 2023 18:55:51 GMT
You have to love the way posters want Wael questioned but offer no solutions as to how he's going to be questioned and what they'll do when he simply responds with "no comment" if they do manage to ask him the question.
As far as debts increasing under Wael whilst losses are increasing I thought we were virtually debt free? I've no idea where he's getting the money from but he's clearly getting the money from somewhere.
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 4, 2023 20:05:32 GMT
No problem having a genuine grown up discussion about infrastructure or lack of it. What I have witnessed on here over the years is that the smallest tidbit of negativity is amplified and span into something it doesn't need to be, arguably by some with certain motives for doing so. Because of this, those who are in the 'glass half full' camp have become more alert to this and find it tiresome and irritating, which leads to a questioning of hidden motives. Unfortunately, some with genuine interest in debating get caught up in that baggage. Stuart, I’m not sure what camp I’m in.🤔 All I can say is that I’m in the BRFC camp and thought that after so long a wait a new ground was likely to occur. All the things Wael said in 2016 were positive regarding the ‘new ground’. But apart from those two eve of season announcements, one very late on the Friday night before the Charlton opener in ‘17 and one at Blackpool in ‘19 re the FM we’ve had nothing. Our debt has increased and position wise we’re almost exactly the same. Of course there have been improvements but these will always be seen as less important to the major issue of the ground. And until that elephant in the room is removed we’ll likely meander around in League 1 / League 2 (hopefully not!) because of our inability to generate income. But what I won’t do is believe all the stuff about Wael being unable to be questioned and that he is the next best thing since sliced bread. People do not have to have a binary choice about him, there are considered positions in between. Hey ho. UTG! Definitely shouldn’t be a binary choice and Wael (and other club representatives) most certainly should be open to scrutiny. There are definitely some for whom anything that Wael does is never sufficient and some where he can do no wrong. For the most part we just want him to succeed and show a few more tangible improvements. From when he took over we are a division higher (via a further relegation and promotion) and have our own training ground. There are other smaller improvements too. Debt is a concern but he has capitalised so short term finances are okay (longer term concerns, though). Yes, the stadium issue has gone back to square one and will probably be his legacy, whichever way that goes. I do accept a little bit of grace is due. The proposed new South Stand will likely point to a longer term solution, fingers crossed. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 4, 2023 21:23:00 GMT
I'm not sure a new temporary south stand is a long term solution, rather than just an improvement on the present tent(s)?
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Post by yattongas on Apr 4, 2023 21:32:50 GMT
So not being there is cr8p then. Surprise surprise. absolutely, just takes 1 person to shout out nonsense then everyone believes it To be fair eric believed Brexit was a good idea , so it’s easy to get hoodwinked. 🙄😂 |
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 4, 2023 22:04:28 GMT
You have to love the way posters want Wael questioned but offer no solutions as to how he's going to be questioned and what they'll do when he simply responds with "no comment" if they do manage to ask him the question.As far as debts increasing under Wael whilst losses are increasing I thought we were virtually debt free? I've no idea where he's getting the money from but he's clearly getting the money from somewhere. If that’s aimed at me Topper just say. I’ve got no solutions, I’d say develop the Mem but I appreciate why he said no. It’s not my responsibility to take decisions but it is the owners. And I would hope they have a plan. But by your comment it’s as if you’re saying Wael can’t be questioned because we can’t do anything about it if he says “no comment”. I suppose we can’t but I’m sure you’re not saying we can’t question or challenge him. Or are you? I thought this was a forum with different opinions. UTG! |
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 4, 2023 22:08:03 GMT
Again, where have I said that? Who’s “demanding”? But after 7 years I think fans have a right to ask questions, not accept the mantra, so often used as an answer, that “everyone is working very hard behind the scenes”. Unless people, leaders, those in power are questioned and held to account nothing changes. I think that would be wrong. But of course others have different opinions. It’s a forum. But seriously baggins, it’s always good to talk to you! 👍 UTG! You too Chap. You're wrong, but always interesting 😄 😀😀😀 UTG! |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 4, 2023 22:48:27 GMT
I'm not sure a new temporary south stand is a long term solution, rather than just an improvement on the present tent(s)? Out of interest, who said it's a temporary stand? |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Apr 5, 2023 6:44:12 GMT
I have never known of any motive but, seen years after his first address, saying the ground would be built and finance was not a problem, we are still not close to moving. Do you think covid and the global economic slowdown might just have something to do with it?? No |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Apr 5, 2023 6:45:53 GMT
Definately at the Portsmouth and FGR games recently and was certainly not absent for four or fives months. I have seen him at the Mem on several occasions this season and certainly several times in the last six months or so. So not being there is cr8p then. Surprise surprise. I’d love to know the games, during the period around the WCD and after, that he was there. Would make things clearer |
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Post by clampdown on Apr 5, 2023 8:04:16 GMT
Do you think covid and the global economic slowdown might just have something to do with it?? No But still more likely than your latest conspiracy theory |
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Post by eric on Apr 5, 2023 8:04:52 GMT
absolutely, just takes 1 person to shout out nonsense then everyone believes it To be fair eric believed Brexit was a good idea , so it’s easy to get hoodwinked. 🙄😂 100% still do. Don’t think a global pandemic and a war were good ideas though. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 9:14:47 GMT
I'm not sure a new temporary south stand is a long term solution, rather than just an improvement on the present tent(s)? According to Bristol Live its going to be a permanent structure, all this chopping and changing of stories, nothing new, apparently the 'pie in the sky' stand is going to be in place in under 20 weeks and no plans or drawings have been made public, don't hold your breath. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 9:21:41 GMT
I'm not sure a new temporary south stand is a long term solution, rather than just an improvement on the present tent(s)? According to Bristol Live its going to be a permanent structure, all this chopping and changing of stories, nothing new, apparently the 'pie in the sky' stand is going to be in place in under 20 weeks and no plans or drawings have been made public, don't hold your breath. Hopefully the clubs agents are talking to the planners as the last time permanent structures were applied for the council were adamant that they didn't want a piecemeal stadium on the site. The Old Vetch was used as an example of what a stadium shouldn't look like. Hopefully something positive happens but getting planning for one stand could be more difficult than an entire stadium. A further thought, if we are now looking at new permanent structures at The Mem does this mean redevelopment of The Mem is now the only option? |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 5, 2023 9:49:56 GMT
Feck it let’s just redevelop the Mem bit by bit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 10:01:30 GMT
Feck it let’s just redevelop the Mem bit by bit. I like that idea. |
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