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Post by pucklegas on Jul 10, 2022 13:37:18 GMT
Plus a new stadium or better facilities, bring in more fans. Look at City, did their average attendance stay the same, when they updated their stadium. Look at Swansea pre their new stadium and a lot of other clubs. We really need something, do up the Mem, get somewhere else, just something before the Ground falls apart. I've never been a "Wael get the cheque book out" sort of chap, but it's getting to the desperate stage. As sex pistols sang mate No future at the mem according to Tom Gorringe, so we await news in October šš“āā ļøššŗ which October I'm not sure |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2022 13:47:34 GMT
Of course this only my opinion. But there has to be a fundamental reason why we cannot sell the Mem. I think itās access to the site, historical, even listed status, but probably wrong.
Hicks and co couldnāt apart from a botched Sainsburys sale. (Probably a supermarket was the only option).
As much as I love Wael for everything he has done for Rovers, he is a very wealthy Businessman from a dynasty of bankers and investors, which is why he is wealthy.
I think heās bought the club to make money in the land, build property and make a lot of money, which makes me think there is a problem with the site that we occupy.
We have to sell to build elsewhere, Iām not so sure that bulldozing the site to rebuild makes any financial sense, and is it big enough anyway.
At the time of his purchase, the Gas were a by product of the profit opportunity. He has grown to love the club clearly, but coming back to my point. There has to be a problem with the land our current Stadium sits on, until thatās resolved we arenāt going anywhere.
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Post by baggins on Jul 10, 2022 14:00:20 GMT
Of course this only my opinion. But there has to be a fundamental reason why we cannot sell the Mem. I think itās access to the site, historical, even listed status, but probably wrong. Hicks and co couldnāt apart from a botched Sainsburys sale. (Probably a supermarket was the only option). As much as I love Wael for everything he has done for Rovers, he is a very wealthy Businessman from a dynasty of bankers and investors, which is why he is wealthy. I think heās bought the club to make money in the land, build property and make a lot of money, which makes me think there is a problem with the site that we occupy. We have to sell to build elsewhere, Iām not so sure that bulldozing the site to rebuild makes any financial sense, and is it big enough anyway. At the time of his purchase, the Gas were a by product of the profit opportunity. He has grown to love the club clearly, but coming back to my point. There has to be a problem with the land our current Stadium sits on, until thatās resolved we arenāt going anywhere. Not sure he bought Rovers, or any part of Rovers to make money. Clearing Ā£30 mil of debt 2 years ago proves that doesn't it? |
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Jul 10, 2022 14:09:15 GMT
Land either side of Goodneston Road Fishponds. Transport links an issue but it's an underused space in Rovers heartland Not exactly suitable though. Its basically just moving the mem to another urban area. With all the transport issues and costs I think the Fruit Market is ideal. One thing Bristol do need to do is sort out trains/buses before the event. In general we are being asked to use public transport that just isn't up to scratch. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 10, 2022 14:34:38 GMT
Of course this only my opinion. But there has to be a fundamental reason why we cannot sell the Mem. I think itās access to the site, historical, even listed status, but probably wrong. Hicks and co couldnāt apart from a botched Sainsburys sale. (Probably a supermarket was the only option). As much as I love Wael for everything he has done for Rovers, he is a very wealthy Businessman from a dynasty of bankers and investors, which is why he is wealthy. I think heās bought the club to make money in the land, build property and make a lot of money, which makes me think there is a problem with the site that we occupy. We have to sell to build elsewhere, Iām not so sure that bulldozing the site to rebuild makes any financial sense, and is it big enough anyway. At the time of his purchase, the Gas were a by product of the profit opportunity. He has grown to love the club clearly, but coming back to my point. There has to be a problem with the land our current Stadium sits on, until thatās resolved we arenāt going anywhere. Itās quite simple really. The problem is that thereās a stadium on the site and the tenants of the stadium canāt arrange a deal to build a new one elsewhere, and the site isnāt suitable to replace it on the current site. We will have no problem selling the Mem once we get ourself a new stadium, itās getting the new stadium thatās the problem. And we might not find we get as much money as sainsburys weāre willing to pay for it. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 10, 2022 14:36:35 GMT
Plus a new stadium or better facilities, bring in more fans. Look at City, did their average attendance stay the same, when they updated their stadium. Look at Swansea pre their new stadium and a lot of other clubs. We really need something, do up the Mem, get somewhere else, just something before the Ground falls apart. I've never been a "Wael get the cheque book out" sort of chap, but it's getting to the desperate stage. Scary thing is all of a sudden itās getting dramatically more problematic to stay at the Mem too. If we canāt move in the next 5 years we might actually need to consider substantial investment in the Mem to keep it as a going concern. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jul 10, 2022 14:58:10 GMT
Of course this only my opinion. But there has to be a fundamental reason why we cannot sell the Mem. I think itās access to the site, historical, even listed status, but probably wrong. Hicks and co couldnāt apart from a botched Sainsburys sale. (Probably a supermarket was the only option). As much as I love Wael for everything he has done for Rovers, he is a very wealthy Businessman from a dynasty of bankers and investors, which is why he is wealthy. I think heās bought the club to make money in the land, build property and make a lot of money, which makes me think there is a problem with the site that we occupy. We have to sell to build elsewhere, Iām not so sure that bulldozing the site to rebuild makes any financial sense, and is it big enough anyway. At the time of his purchase, the Gas were a by product of the profit opportunity. He has grown to love the club clearly, but coming back to my point. There has to be a problem with the land our current Stadium sits on, until thatās resolved we arenāt going anywhere. Itās quite simple really. The problem is that thereās a stadium on the site and the tenants of the stadium canāt arrange a deal to build a new one elsewhere, and the site isnāt suitable to replace it on the current site. We will have no problem selling the Mem once we get ourself a new stadium, itās getting the new stadium thatās the problem. And we might not find we get as much money as sainsburys weāre willing to pay for it. I am confident in saying that sainsburyās never had any intention of buying so just gave out a number. What with how the economy is going and how some are predictions pricing, it could be worth significantly less the more time goes by |
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Post by singupgas on Jul 10, 2022 14:59:12 GMT
Surely there must be somebody who knows someone who knows something about what is going on with the FM site?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 10, 2022 15:05:25 GMT
Of course this only my opinion. But there has to be a fundamental reason why we cannot sell the Mem. I think itās access to the site, historical, even listed status, but probably wrong. Hicks and co couldnāt apart from a botched Sainsburys sale. (Probably a supermarket was the only option). As much as I love Wael for everything he has done for Rovers, he is a very wealthy Businessman from a dynasty of bankers and investors, which is why he is wealthy. I think heās bought the club to make money in the land, build property and make a lot of money, which makes me think there is a problem with the site that we occupy. We have to sell to build elsewhere, Iām not so sure that bulldozing the site to rebuild makes any financial sense, and is it big enough anyway. At the time of his purchase, the Gas were a by product of the profit opportunity. He has grown to love the club clearly, but coming back to my point. There has to be a problem with the land our current Stadium sits on, until thatās resolved we arenāt going anywhere. Itās quite simple really. The problem is that thereās a stadium on the site and the tenants of the stadium canāt arrange a deal to build a new one elsewhere, and the site isnāt suitable to replace it on the current site. We will have no problem selling the Mem once we get ourself a new stadium, itās getting the new stadium thatās the problem. And we might not find we get as much money as sainsburys weāre willing to pay for it. You have to assume Wael knows what he can now get for the land, whilst supermarkets generally paid more for land, residential land prices must have shot up since NH negotiated the original deal with Sainsbury's. |
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Post by Kipper on Jul 10, 2022 15:12:12 GMT
It appears to me the club is nowhere near having a new stadium built. Gasheads are kept in the dark and given false hope a stadium will soon materialize. If the club were to have another promotion the Memorial Ground would be a laughing-stock! The many new potential fans would simply not be able to attend. Can Rovers afford a promotion? More likely the club will remain your average third-tier team. All rather depressing! I fail to see the situation changing without a new stadium pronto.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 10, 2022 15:44:24 GMT
Itās quite simple really. The problem is that thereās a stadium on the site and the tenants of the stadium canāt arrange a deal to build a new one elsewhere, and the site isnāt suitable to replace it on the current site. We will have no problem selling the Mem once we get ourself a new stadium, itās getting the new stadium thatās the problem. And we might not find we get as much money as sainsburys weāre willing to pay for it. I am confident in saying that sainsburyās never had any intention of buying so just gave out a number. What with how the economy is going and how some are predictions pricing, it could be worth significantly less the more time goes by Given the current house market Iām not too worried about that. Whilst thereās a lot of pessimism and we may see prices drop I canāt see them dropping too low. I thought they were going to head south after brexit and covid but they just seem to have strengthened. And with a new working from home culture that seems to have benefited Bristol massively. |
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Post by dudelebowski on Jul 10, 2022 15:44:33 GMT
It appears to me the club is nowhere near having a new stadium built. Gasheads are kept in the dark and given false hope a stadium will soon materialize. If the club were to have another promotion the Memorial Ground would be a laughing-stock! The many new potential fans would simply not be able to attend. Can Rovers afford a promotion? More likely the club will remain your average third-tier team. All rather depressing! I fail to see the situation changing without a new stadium pronto. It appears to me, thereās just as much a chance of an announcement being imminent. So what gives?ššš Personally I love there are no leaks from the club anymore. That cancerous part of the club thankfully resigned to the past. |
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Post by fatherbrown on Jul 10, 2022 16:08:52 GMT
Itās quite simple really. The problem is that thereās a stadium on the site and the tenants of the stadium canāt arrange a deal to build a new one elsewhere, and the site isnāt suitable to replace it on the current site. We will have no problem selling the Mem once we get ourself a new stadium, itās getting the new stadium thatās the problem. And we might not find we get as much money as sainsburys weāre willing to pay for it. You have to assume Wael knows what he can now get for the land, whilst supermarkets generally paid more for land, residential land prices must have shot up since NH negotiated the original deal with Sainsbury's. Topper, my friend owns a company at the FM, consistently has said to me after all these long, long years, it will happen, he is part share owner of the FM site so he should know, I guess patience is virtue. UTG |
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Post by aghast on Jul 10, 2022 16:15:20 GMT
The mem was rebuilt in stages on a budget for a cash strapped rugby club and some of it was 10 years old by the time we had moved in. Saying we moved into a new stadium and went out of the football league (which happened 20 years later) is misleading at best. The difference between us and the clubs you mention in your post is that weāre from a big city, and could average crowds that wouldnāt look out of place in the championship with the right facilities, whereas those clubs will realistically never average more than 5000 at best. But ,getting our own home back in bristol was the answer to our dreams. It meant we could move forward as a club . Destiny was in our own hands. When we moved into the Mem nobody would have thought we would have been playing conference football and running up big debts. The mere point i am making is a stadium does not mean success. Sunderland had a great new stadium and ended up stranded in league one for longer than their fans would have liked. They could bring in crowds we can only dream of. A shiny new stadium will be fantastic for rovers fans. It wont guarentee success though . The right people will bring a club success. Hopefully ,our current board and staff are those right people. So in amongst your argument about a tiny selection of clubs who have not improved with a new stadium, and a very unlikely definition of the Mem as a new stadium, what exactly is your point? We stay as we are, where we are, and just wait for ourselves to get better? |
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Post by singupgas on Jul 10, 2022 16:24:26 GMT
David, unfortunately does make a good point. The Mem is laughing stock whilst we are in league 2 and in league 1, simply would not be fit for purpose if we ever made it to the championship. Far too small and is ramshackle.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 10, 2022 16:32:25 GMT
David, unfortunately does make a good point. The Mem is laughing stock whilst we are in league 2 and in league 1, simply would not be fit for purpose if we ever made it to the championship. Far too small and is ramshackle. Luton managed to make it to the Championship playoffs last season with a similarly poor ground, there's not a lot we can do about it in the short term if Barton does pull off another promotion. |
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Post by aghast on Jul 10, 2022 16:34:51 GMT
Maybe, as hinted at earlier, Wael has bought a lot more land than just the Quarters? And will partner with a development company to build a large housing/retail development, to be sold for Ā£Ā£Ā£Ā£Ā£ profit.
It might be a way to raise a lot of money towards a new stadium, and the whole area round there is ripe for development. If w didn't do it, other property developers soon will.
Just musing.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 10, 2022 17:21:59 GMT
Maybe, as hinted at earlier, Wael has bought a lot more land than just the Quarters? And will partner with a development company to build a large housing/retail development, to be sold for Ā£Ā£Ā£Ā£Ā£ profit. It might be a way to raise a lot of money towards a new stadium, and the whole area round there is ripe for development. If w didn't do it, other property developers soon will. Just musing. Perhaps he has in your dreams! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2022 18:13:26 GMT
Surely there must be somebody who knows someone who knows something about what is going on with the FM site? Had a pint with someone on the clubs payroll today saying that it isn't happening due to PP. Personally I don't believe this for a minute as I'm sure someone at the club would keep us updated and rule out the FM if this was the case, rather than let fans wait in false hope. |
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jul 10, 2022 18:31:27 GMT
Need some sort of statement soon as to what the situation is, will be an absolute waste of an opportunity if we don't move forward from here.
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