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Post by chippenhamgas on Jul 26, 2022 20:25:47 GMT
‘The year is 2057, the Memorial Stadium has just had its capacity reduced for the 34th year in a row, meanwhile everyone is still waiting for the Conygar exclusivity period to end’ And there will still be people saying be thankful we still have a club to support, thankyou wael! |
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jul 26, 2022 20:28:18 GMT
Im not sure it would’ve worked on the same site anyway, an indoor arena and outdoor football stadium are two different beasts. However the adjacent wasteland which is now developed with warehouses, car garage, Village hotel and offices would’ve been ideal for a stadium. What difference would it make if a football stadium was next to the Arena or on the other side of the A38, they'd both use the same car parking facilities and transport network. The fact we didn't enquire and the FM shows no signs of materialising does make you start to wonder if Wael has any real intentions of building a new stadium. Just keep feeding vague intentions to the fanbase, that's enough. He must be amazed he gets away with it! |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 26, 2022 20:30:25 GMT
What difference would it make if a football stadium was next to the Arena or on the other side of the A38, they'd both use the same car parking facilities and transport network. The fact we didn't enquire and the FM shows no signs of materialising does make you start to wonder if Wael has any real intentions of building a new stadium. Just keep feeding vague intentions to the fanbase, that's enough. He must be amazed he gets away with it! I wouldn't worry too much, there are plenty of posters keeping our feet firmly set in reality. |
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Post by eric on Jul 26, 2022 20:31:31 GMT
‘The year is 2057, the Memorial Stadium has just had its capacity reduced for the 34th year in a row, meanwhile everyone is still waiting for the Conygar exclusivity period to end’ And there will still be people saying be thankful we still have a club to support, thankyou wael! So you’re not grateful to have a club? Assuming of course you do actually support Rovers? Do you want Higgs back? Things were going so well under him or perhaps you’re aware of some mysterious billionaire gashead waiting in the wings? |
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jul 26, 2022 20:47:57 GMT
And there will still be people saying be thankful we still have a club to support, thankyou wael! So you’re not grateful to have a club? Assuming of course you do actually support Rovers? Do you want Higgs back? Things were going so well under him or perhaps you’re aware of some mysterious billionaire gashead waiting in the wings? If the stadium issue isn't resolved it won't be long until there isn't a club, the time is fast approaching where sweeping it under the carpet won't wash anymore. |
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Post by axegas on Jul 26, 2022 20:53:11 GMT
So you’re not grateful to have a club? Assuming of course you do actually support Rovers? Do you want Higgs back? Things were going so well under him or perhaps you’re aware of some mysterious billionaire gashead waiting in the wings? If the stadium issue isn't resolved it won't be long until there isn't a club, the time is fast approaching where sweeping it under the carpet won't wash anymore. Don't get me wrong, I'd be delighted if the club had some positive stadium news for us, but it's not as life or death as you are making it out to be. We need as stadium to move forward, but capacity aside there isn't too much wrong with the mem. Decent catering, good bars, nice location, great atmosphere... |
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Post by eric on Jul 26, 2022 21:04:45 GMT
So you’re not grateful to have a club? Assuming of course you do actually support Rovers? Do you want Higgs back? Things were going so well under him or perhaps you’re aware of some mysterious billionaire gashead waiting in the wings? If the stadium issue isn't resolved it won't be long until there isn't a club, the time is fast approaching where sweeping it under the carpet won't wash anymore. If you have such a negative outlook and are so convinced that Rovers won’t exist soon why don’t you just find another club to support now? We would all love a new stadium and in the absence of anyone else coming forward Wael is the best hope we have of getting there, I for one trust he will be doing his best to make that happen. Your constant sniping is tiresome and I’m sure the fan base will manage without you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2022 21:09:19 GMT
If the stadium issue isn't resolved it won't be long until there isn't a club, the time is fast approaching where sweeping it under the carpet won't wash anymore. Don't get me wrong, I'd be delighted if the club had some positive stadium news for us, but it's not as life or death as you are making it out to be. We need as stadium to move forward, but capacity aside there isn't too much wrong with the mem. Decent catering, good bars, nice location, great atmosphere... Well said. We are in the perfect storm of Chicken and Egg. We may have to live within our means for the moment. I’ve got a mate who is a Gooner, he says lack of success on the pitch sometimes doesn’t make up for the fact we watch in a decent Stadium. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 26, 2022 21:13:58 GMT
If the stadium issue isn't resolved it won't be long until there isn't a club, the time is fast approaching where sweeping it under the carpet won't wash anymore. Don't get me wrong, I'd be delighted if the club had some positive stadium news for us, but it's not as life or death as you are making it out to be. We need as stadium to move forward, but capacity aside there isn't too much wrong with the mem. Decent catering, good bars, nice location, great atmosphere... You're seriously joking the ground is a total embarrassment, there's no reason a new stadium can't have a similar or better atmosphere and also a similar nice location. Although we can't stay at the Mem for the next 50 years just in case a new stadium might lack atmosphere. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 26, 2022 21:16:29 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I'd be delighted if the club had some positive stadium news for us, but it's not as life or death as you are making it out to be. We need as stadium to move forward, but capacity aside there isn't too much wrong with the mem. Decent catering, good bars, nice location, great atmosphere... Well said. We are in the perfect storm of Chicken and Egg. We may have to live within our means for the moment. I’ve got a mate who is a Gooner, he says lack of success on the pitch sometimes doesn’t make up for the fact we watch in a decent Stadium. Gooners don't have a glass ceiling of L1 because their ground lacks capacity. |
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jul 26, 2022 21:30:46 GMT
If the stadium issue isn't resolved it won't be long until there isn't a club, the time is fast approaching where sweeping it under the carpet won't wash anymore. If you have such a negative outlook and are so convinced that Rovers won’t exist soon why don’t you just find another club to support now? We would all love a new stadium and in the absence of anyone else coming forward Wael is the best hope we have of getting there, I for one trust he will be doing his best to make that happen. Your constant sniping is tiresome and I’m sure the fan base will manage without you. It's a realistic outlook I'm afraid, people are burying their heads in the sand, the mem is not fit for purpose, the capacity reductions have hammered home this point. There is absolutely no future for the club at the mem in it's current state. Sorry I don't have a pair of your rose tinted glasses. |
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Post by axegas on Jul 26, 2022 21:34:33 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I'd be delighted if the club had some positive stadium news for us, but it's not as life or death as you are making it out to be. We need as stadium to move forward, but capacity aside there isn't too much wrong with the mem. Decent catering, good bars, nice location, great atmosphere... You're seriously joking the ground is a total embarrassment, there's no reason a new stadium can't have a similar or better atmosphere and also a similar nice location. Although we can't stay at the Mem for the next 50 years just in case a new stadium might lack atmosphere. I'm not joking Topper and I don't care about what fans of clubs think about it either. Of course a new stadium would provide the club and it's supporters with numerous benefits which we've covered enough in the past on here and I await positive news on that front. My point is that there is no point being all doom and gloom about things because we haven't heard anything recently, to the point that it spoils your enjoyment of supporting the club. There's enough to like about the mem in terms of its location, atmosphere and vibe to make me happy to attend there every other week to support the Gas. |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Jul 26, 2022 21:36:19 GMT
If you have such a negative outlook and are so convinced that Rovers won’t exist soon why don’t you just find another club to support now? We would all love a new stadium and in the absence of anyone else coming forward Wael is the best hope we have of getting there, I for one trust he will be doing his best to make that happen. Your constant sniping is tiresome and I’m sure the fan base will manage without you. It's a realistic outlook I'm afraid, people are burying their heads in the sand, the mem is not fit for purpose, the capacity reductions have hammered home this point. There is absolutely no future for the club at the mem in it's current state. Sorry I don't have a pair of your rose tinted glasses. I don't think anyone feels the mem is a viable long term option, just because we aren't claiming the fruit market is a smokescreen or the quarters is about to be sold for housing doesn't mean we're not aware of the need for a new stadium |
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 26, 2022 21:57:24 GMT
If the stadium issue isn't resolved it won't be long until there isn't a club, the time is fast approaching where sweeping it under the carpet won't wash anymore. Don't get me wrong, I'd be delighted if the club had some positive stadium news for us, but it's not as life or death as you are making it out to be. We need as stadium to move forward, but capacity aside there isn't too much wrong with the mem. Decent catering, good bars, nice location, great atmosphere... Spot on. Brentford managed to get themselves out of League 1 and sustain themselves as a top half Championship team for 5 years while at Griffin Park. Luton have bounced back from The Conference like us and sustained themselves in The Championship too. Both Griffin Park and Kenilworth Rd although they may have a few more seats than The Mem, capacity wise they're not to dissimilar. So while of course we need a new stadium for the long term, getting to The Championship and staying there is not impossible in the short term. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 26, 2022 22:04:37 GMT
But how much was Brentford's owner writing off each season, given he seems to have had little difficulty financing their new stadium?
Luton seem a bit of an oddity, as neither Rotherham or Wycombe have managed to survive in the Championship after their promotions.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jul 26, 2022 22:04:40 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I'd be delighted if the club had some positive stadium news for us, but it's not as life or death as you are making it out to be. We need as stadium to move forward, but capacity aside there isn't too much wrong with the mem. Decent catering, good bars, nice location, great atmosphere... Spot on. Brentford managed to get themselves out of League 1 and sustain themselves as a top half Championship team for 5 years while at Griffin Park. Luton have bounced back from The Conference like us and sustained themselves in The Championship too. Both Griffin Park and Kenilworth Rd although they may have a few more seats than The Mem, capacity wise they're not to dissimilar. So while of course we need a new stadium for the long term, getting to The Championship and staying there is not impossible in the short term. Kenilworth Rd and Griffin Park are/were 100% covered with far better facilities than the mem, and are proper football grounds. Not even sure we'd be allowed into the championship with the mem in it's current state. |
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 26, 2022 22:17:26 GMT
Spot on. Brentford managed to get themselves out of League 1 and sustain themselves as a top half Championship team for 5 years while at Griffin Park. Luton have bounced back from The Conference like us and sustained themselves in The Championship too. Both Griffin Park and Kenilworth Rd although they may have a few more seats than The Mem, capacity wise they're not to dissimilar. So while of course we need a new stadium for the long term, getting to The Championship and staying there is not impossible in the short term. Kenilworth Rd and Griffin Park are/were 100% covered with far better facilities than the mem, and are proper football grounds. Not even sure we'd be allowed into the championship with the mem in it's current state. You sure about that? I'm pretty sure Brentfords main home end didn't have a roof until recently. Kenilworth Road doesn't even have a stand running the whole length of the pitch, plus to get in the away end you literally have to walk through people's back gardens. Yes they are/were traditional old Football grounds but the facilities are/were not much better than The Mems. Edit: Yeovil also got to The Championship with a capacity of about 9k with an away end that has no roof |
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Post by singupgas on Jul 26, 2022 22:18:21 GMT
What has happened to Conygar? Been very quiet making no comment at all.
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Post by orgasmic on Jul 26, 2022 22:32:13 GMT
Because you cannot go higher due to planning restrictions and building either side restricts views for other areas so the gains are minimal. Quoting Brentford and AFC Wimbledon is also not a true reflection as they weren’t doing it to an existing stadium rather a new build so the cost is cheaper. Also, how do you remove our only real stand with seating without displacing 100s of fans with no way of relocating them? There is no way that you gain 4000 seats by rebuilding that stand. I would estimate less than half that. So you get maximum disruption and marginal gains. It simply doesn’t work in reality. You don't need to go higher (and pretty sure the planning permission for the rebuild was at least as high - if not higher - than the existing structure for the full length of the pitch plus the corner)....a rebuilt seating area that ran the length of the pitch and was built to modern standards would fit around three times the current number of seats. Three times 1160 is 3480 and you'd get more seats due to the improved design and press areas wouldn't run the whole length...4000 was a ballpark figure, the actual number of seats was the least important part of my point.... ...my point was that it's the first (possibly only) logical part of the Mem to properly upgrade, so it's not been done for one of two reason - either a new site has been potentially closer to a start than has been made public *or* the owners genuinely don't want to improve the current capacity/facilities for the current fans (and the ones who can't get a ticket when things are going well). If it's the former it's the usual tale of unlucky Rovers....if it's the latter it's not unreasonable to question why given clubs like Brentford and AFC Wimbledon are making progress..... All of that was based on rotating the pitch 90 degrees. It is impossible to achieve what you are stating without doing that. If they were to rotate the pitch it would require a complete rebuild of the Mem and is needing to ground share for at least one season. The cost in lost revenue and renting for a season or 2 would not be made back easily as a full rebuild cost was circa £30m over 10 years ago! Coupled with the fact that due to poor transport links and general location it’s impossible to generate sufficient non matchday revenue to make it even remotely worthwhile! |
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Post by gas2 on Jul 27, 2022 1:54:56 GMT
Luton and Griffin park never had tents as seating accommodation
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