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Post by chippenhamgas on Jul 27, 2022 4:51:35 GMT
Luton and Griffin park never had tents as seating accommodation Yes, not remotely comparable. You should not be allowed to play in the 5th best league in the world with tents! |
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Post by playtowin on Jul 27, 2022 5:24:28 GMT
Luton and ,brentford,yeovil,burton,wycombe are all the same as rovers.
Its not how pretty your stadium is that matters.
The above teams like Rovers have/had very little non football income from their stadiums.
Whilst the capacities were also moderately small.
If the Mem on a short term basis (20-50 years )
Was rebuilt in parts. It would need the site to contain income that would at least cover the running costs of the stadium and Quarters.
That would be short term sustainability.
It might be a case that the capacity has to be 12,500 for that to happen.
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 27, 2022 5:32:22 GMT
Luton and Griffin park never had tents as seating accommodation Would you say this, that runs the whole length of the pitch at Kenilworth Rd is better than our Tents?  |
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Post by SleepyGas on Jul 27, 2022 7:47:15 GMT
Luton and Griffin park never had tents as seating accommodation Yes, not remotely comparable. You should not be allowed to play in the 5th best league in the world with tents! 5th best league in the world? Premier League, La Liga, Serie A, EFL Championship and then EFL League One?  |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 27, 2022 8:18:18 GMT
We need a new stadium but the club canāt pull a stadium out of a hat.
It takes time and a certain degree of stars aligning.
The Mem is bad, embarrassing indeed, but it isnāt that bad.
Go to the away end at the County Ground or at the old Bootham Crescent away end for York (I know itās gone now but still) and youāll be in fear of picking up tetanus from touching anything - especially at the toilets.
Incessantly moaning about it isnāt going to speed up a renovation at the Mem or new stadium. The club know they need to do something about it. They canāt afford complacency in any meaning of the word.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 27, 2022 9:47:10 GMT
We need a new stadium but the club canāt pull a stadium out of a hat. It takes time and a certain degree of stars aligning. The Mem is bad, embarrassing indeed, but it isnāt that bad. Go to the away end at the County Ground or at the old Bootham Crescent away end for York (I know itās gone now but still) and youāll be in fear of picking up tetanus from touching anything - especially at the toilets. Incessantly moaning about it isnāt going to speed up a renovation at the Mem or new stadium. The club know they need to do something about it. They canāt afford complacency in any meaning of the word. But how do you know the club are actually trying to do anything, each time somebody raises the issue they just get shouted down, then another 6 months possess before it's raised again. Meanwhile available land/sites in Bristol slowly disappears. |
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Post by eric on Jul 27, 2022 10:09:02 GMT
We need a new stadium but the club canāt pull a stadium out of a hat. It takes time and a certain degree of stars aligning. The Mem is bad, embarrassing indeed, but it isnāt that bad. Go to the away end at the County Ground or at the old Bootham Crescent away end for York (I know itās gone now but still) and youāll be in fear of picking up tetanus from touching anything - especially at the toilets. Incessantly moaning about it isnāt going to speed up a renovation at the Mem or new stadium. The club know they need to do something about it. They canāt afford complacency in any meaning of the word. Exactly. We all want a new or revamped stadium but in the meantime just have to accept where we are and get on with it. We are lucky to have an owner we can trust and who genuinely cares about the club, I personally believe he is doing everything he can and a viable stadium/site canāt just be rustled up overnight and neither can we be given a running commentary of what goes on behind closed doors. This isnāt ārose tintedā itās just reality. I just wish the constant moaners who seem to enjoy slagging the club off more than they enjoy watching the football would just f**k off. We donāt need them and their negativity. |
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Post by Quarters on Jul 27, 2022 10:12:40 GMT
We need a new stadium but the club canāt pull a stadium out of a hat. It takes time and a certain degree of stars aligning. The Mem is bad, embarrassing indeed, but it isnāt that bad. Go to the away end at the County Ground or at the old Bootham Crescent away end for York (I know itās gone now but still) and youāll be in fear of picking up tetanus from touching anything - especially at the toilets. Incessantly moaning about it isnāt going to speed up a renovation at the Mem or new stadium. The club know they need to do something about it. They canāt afford complacency in any meaning of the word. Exactly. We all want a new or revamped stadium but in the meantime just have to accept where we are and get on with it. We are lucky to have an owner we can trust and who genuinely cares about the club, I personally believe he is doing everything he can and a viable stadium/site canāt just be rustled up overnight and neither can we be given a running commentary of what goes on behind closed doors. This isnāt ārose tintedā itās just reality. I just wish the constant moaners who seem to enjoy slagging the club off more than they enjoy watching the football would just f**k off. We donāt need them and their negativity. OVERNIGHT? This has been ongoing for nearly 50 years irrespective of who the owner is. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 27, 2022 10:23:43 GMT
If the stadium issue isn't resolved it won't be long until there isn't a club, the time is fast approaching where sweeping it under the carpet won't wash anymore. Don't get me wrong, I'd be delighted if the club had some positive stadium news for us, but it's not as life or death as you are making it out to be. We need as stadium to move forward, but capacity aside there isn't too much wrong with the mem. Decent catering, good bars, nice location, great atmosphere... You are always the voice of reason axe. š I agree with you in so many ways. And had it not been for whatās happened to the capacity over the past 3/4 years perhaps Iād agree now. I think a capacity of 12,500 would be fine. But the constant lowering of the capacity has bitten and will continue to be a problem. I like the Mem like you but we will be trapped in this cycle of League 1 optimism/ League 1 relegation/ Promotion from League 2 / League 1 struggles/ Eventual relegation..... People talk about us having to live within our means, Iām afraid that would probably mean missing out on the promotion from League 2 in the above cycle at the moment. Our āmeansā are probably getting less and the cost of being in League 1 is going up. Iāve kept quiet about the ground stuff for a long time but weāve had 6 years of Wael and I like much of what heās done but the ground is a major problem and needs sorting. I donāt think that after 6 years itās too much to start asking questions. (Esp given what Wael said in Feb ā16 on taking over.) Others perhaps disagree. UTG! |
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Post by eric on Jul 27, 2022 10:28:19 GMT
Exactly. We all want a new or revamped stadium but in the meantime just have to accept where we are and get on with it. We are lucky to have an owner we can trust and who genuinely cares about the club, I personally believe he is doing everything he can and a viable stadium/site canāt just be rustled up overnight and neither can we be given a running commentary of what goes on behind closed doors. This isnāt ārose tintedā itās just reality. I just wish the constant moaners who seem to enjoy slagging the club off more than they enjoy watching the football would just f**k off. We donāt need them and their negativity. OVERNIGHT? This has been ongoing for nearly 50 years irrespective of who the owner is. How many of those 50 years has WAQ been in sole control? Whatās gone before cannot influence attitudes towards him surely? Iād be desperately sad to see WAQ walk away but given the attitude of a small portion of the fanbase I would find it hard to criticise him if he just sold up, in fact some of our fans would deserve a Bury type owner and that would give them something to really moan about! |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jul 27, 2022 10:34:49 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I'd be delighted if the club had some positive stadium news for us, but it's not as life or death as you are making it out to be. We need as stadium to move forward, but capacity aside there isn't too much wrong with the mem. Decent catering, good bars, nice location, great atmosphere... You are always the voice of reason axe. š I agree with you in so many ways. And had it not been for whatās happened to the capacity over the past 3/4 years perhaps Iād agree now. I think a capacity of 12,500 would be fine. But the constant lowering of the capacity has bitten and will continue to be a problem. I like the Mem like you but we will be trapped in this cycle of League 1 optimism/ League 1 relegation/ Promotion from League 2 / League 1 struggles/ Eventual relegation..... People talk about us having to live within our means, Iām afraid that would probably mean missing out on the promotion from League 2 in the above cycle at the moment. Our āmeansā are probably getting less and the cost of being in League 1 is going up. Iāve kept quiet about the ground stuff for a long time but weāve had 6 years of Wael and I like much of what heās done but the ground is a major problem and needs sorting. I donāt think that after 6 years itās too much to start asking questions. (Esp given what Wael said in Feb ā16 on taking over.) Others perhaps disagree. UTG! Ask yourself , would the club be making improvements to bars, hospitality and implementing many changes , if there was a new place even remotely close to coming to fruition. Itās been a vicious circle since we left Eastville and have either not had permission ( magotsfield) or pulled out. With the UWE the4 papers were saying that the UWE people were surprised that we did not come back to the table. |
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Post by baggins on Jul 27, 2022 10:35:22 GMT
OVERNIGHT? This has been ongoing for nearly 50 years irrespective of who the owner is. How many of those 50 years has WAQ been in sole control? Whatās gone before cannot influence attitudes towards him surely? Iād be desperately sad to see WAQ walk away but given the attitude of a small portion of the fanbase I would find it hard to criticise him if he just sold up, in fact some of our fans would deserve a Bury type owner and that would give them something to really moan about!Ā They moaned at Dunford, they moaned at Higgs and now ut's Wael's turn. Ignore them, life's alot better when you do. |
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Post by Quarters on Jul 27, 2022 10:57:41 GMT
OVERNIGHT? This has been ongoing for nearly 50 years irrespective of who the owner is. How many of those 50 years has WAQ been in sole control? Whatās gone before cannot influence attitudes towards him surely? Iād be desperately sad to see WAQ walk away but given the attitude of a small portion of the fanbase I would find it hard to criticise him if he just sold up, in fact some of our fans would deserve a Bury type owner and that would give them something to really moan about! It is Bristol Rovers I follow and a new ground is needed. It is not a complaint against him but one would expect us to be closer than we are. We saw plans for a redeveloped Mem. We saw plans for a UWE. We were told we were close on other locations like Severside. We have not seen anything for ages. We left Eastville in 1986. We were fortunate to become sole owners of the Mem. If we want to bounce between L1 and L2 ten lets stay at the Mem, but financially it will be a struggle. I think we deserve to know what the future holds. |
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Post by thegasman on Jul 27, 2022 11:17:50 GMT
With the current status quo, I can't see Rovers having a new stadium any time soon.
That's not to say I don't believe WAQ can't deliver a new stadium, it's just that by keeping supporters in the dark, none of us know what is or isn't happening.
I guess with the current regime, there may be a dozen or so people looking at this seemingly insurmountable problem.
There are many supporters who have skills and expertise in many areas, some of which could be relevant or even helpful to the club, but without understanding the state of play, thoughts and ideas are just going to waste.
If there was c9K supporters mulling over a problem, who see thigs differently and who were encouraged to raise suggestions or give the benefit of expertise, we could be in a better place, or further down the line.
There is very little affordable land available of the size to build a stadium and/or complex.
One thought I had, is could it be possible to do a land swap (with a cash adjustment/incentive) with the Civil Service Sports Club, just over the road? Their site is too big for them, and the upkeep is massive. If this had been investigated when Ford departed Muller Road, then a stadium complex was feasible with entrances and exits on different roads.
I'm not saying my idea is a go'er, but it is an idea that could have been looked at, fans and locals can sometimes see things a tad differently; it just requires those that run the club to be open minded and actively seek ideas.
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Post by Congas on Jul 27, 2022 11:40:38 GMT
With the current status quo, I can't see Rovers having a new stadium any time soon. That's not to say I don't believe WAQ can't deliver a new stadium, it's just that by keeping supporters in the dark, none of us know what is or isn't happening. I guess with the current regime, there may be a dozen or so people looking at this seemingly insurmountable problem. There are many supporters who have skills and expertise in many areas, some of which could be relevant or even helpful to the club, but without understanding the state of play, thoughts and ideas are just going to waste. If there was c9K supporters mulling over a problem, who see thigs differently and who were encouraged to raise suggestions or give the benefit of expertise, we could be in a better place, or further down the line. There is very little affordable land available of the size to build a stadium and/or complex. One thought I had, is could it be possible to do a land swap (with a cash adjustment/incentive) with the Civil Service Sports Club, just over the road? Their site is too big for them, and the upkeep is massive. If this had been investigated when Ford departed Muller Road, then a stadium complex was feasible with entrances and exits on different roads. I'm not saying my idea is a go'er, but it is an idea that could have been looked at, fans and locals can sometimes see things a tad differently; it just requires those that run the club to be open minded and actively seek ideas. Does the pitch there still slope horribly? Scored a few down the slope on that :-) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2022 11:45:23 GMT
With the current status quo, I can't see Rovers having a new stadium any time soon. That's not to say I don't believe WAQ can't deliver a new stadium, it's just that by keeping supporters in the dark, none of us know what is or isn't happening. I guess with the current regime, there may be a dozen or so people looking at this seemingly insurmountable problem. There are many supporters who have skills and expertise in many areas, some of which could be relevant or even helpful to the club, but without understanding the state of play, thoughts and ideas are just going to waste. If there was c9K supporters mulling over a problem, who see thigs differently and who were encouraged to raise suggestions or give the benefit of expertise, we could be in a better place, or further down the line. There is very little affordable land available of the size to build a stadium and/or complex. One thought I had, is could it be possible to do a land swap (with a cash adjustment/incentive) with the Civil Service Sports Club, just over the road? Their site is too big for them, and the upkeep is massive. If this had been investigated when Ford departed Muller Road, then a stadium complex was feasible with entrances and exits on different roads. I'm not saying my idea is a go'er, but it is an idea that could have been looked at, fans and locals can sometimes see things a tad differently; it just requires those that run the club to be open minded and actively seek ideas. Thought process is right. Ive always been of the opinion that buying land that already is used for sporting facilities should make planning that much simpler albeit change of use to a Football Stadium will always have its challenges. The BAWA for me is ripe for development and is big enough. Although that would be extremely difficult if you have to disperse, Mens Football, Kids Football, Tennis, Cricket, Squash not to forget the members. All that probably makes that a non starter. |
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Post by thegasman on Jul 27, 2022 11:49:08 GMT
There's a couple of ideas in just a few minutes, but no one knows if any have been considered, as the supporters are being kept in the dark. We don't want to run the club (most of us couldn't afford it) but most of us want to be able to help in some way.
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Post by baggins on Jul 27, 2022 11:58:10 GMT
There's a couple of ideas in just a few minutes, but no one knows if any have been considered, as the supporters are being kept in the dark. We don't want to run the club (most of us couldn't afford it) but most of us want to be able to help in some way. I'm still waiting for the donate a brick thing. |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 27, 2022 12:42:01 GMT
Wael himself said right at the beginning a new ground was of paramount importance to the club so itās not unreasonable 6 years later to question whatās going on or more fittingly why nothing seems to be going on .
Seems to me that some fans will forever accept nothing happening on the stadium front and will just be happy to have a club to rock up to every other week . Happy to plod along because itās just the Rovers way .
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Post by baggins on Jul 27, 2022 12:52:54 GMT
Wael himself said right at the beginning a new ground was of paramount importance to the club so itās not unreasonable 6 years later to question whatās going on or more fittingly why nothing seems to be going on . Seems to me that some fans will forever accept nothing happening on the stadium front and will just be happy to have a club to rock up to every other week . Happy to plod along because itās just the Rovers way . I'm happy to 'rock up' to Rovers. You got another plan involving plenty of your own money? No? Surprise surprise. |
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