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Post by Quarters on Jan 24, 2023 13:15:41 GMT
I would agree about money on that piece of scrub land he wanted. He did also realise there were no other financially viable options in Bristol. If the brown field site at the Fruit Market made any financial sense he would have been all over that. He wasn't stupid in his approach to the Long Ashton site either, knowing that a managed approach during it's refusal would gain brownie points with the planners/council on the site at the swamp he did own I think the only realistic areas where a stadium could be easily located is out avonmouth/cribs causeway. But that would mean transport for many would be a nightmare. Maybe Yate way also but we'd be a long way out of the city. Always thought it should be hand in hand with the Arena at Filton. All transport links should be in place for the Arena. Too late now. |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 24, 2023 13:39:25 GMT
I think the only realistic areas where a stadium could be easily located is out avonmouth/cribs causeway. But that would mean transport for many would be a nightmare. Maybe Yate way also but we'd be a long way out of the city. Always thought it should be hand in hand with the Arena at Filton. All transport links should be in place for the Arena. Too late now. Plenty of room around Yatton 🤗 |
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Post by aghast on Jan 24, 2023 13:48:24 GMT
Always thought it should be hand in hand with the Arena at Filton. All transport links should be in place for the Arena. Too late now. Plenty of room around Yatton 🤗 There's a reason for that. |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 24, 2023 13:49:12 GMT
Plenty of room around Yatton 🤗 There's a reason for that. Oi ! |
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Post by baggins on Jan 24, 2023 13:56:33 GMT
Plenty of room around Yatton 🤗 There's a reason for that. 😄 |
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Post by DrFaustus on Jan 24, 2023 14:54:02 GMT
Always thought it should be hand in hand with the Arena at Filton. All transport links should be in place for the Arena. Too late now. Plenty of room around Yatton 🤗 Also Chernobyl, Darfur, Bridgwater, Swindon and Pyongyang. See the link? |
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Post by playtowin on Jan 24, 2023 15:12:08 GMT
Plenty of room around Yatton 🤗 Also Chernobyl, Darfur, Bridgwater, Swindon and Pyongyang. See the link? Oh yeah... All have at least 2 vowels in the name...just like Yatton . Cool |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 24, 2023 15:58:20 GMT
Out of interest What is is that we can't have at a redeveloped mem that makes it commercially unviable? Any form of industrial commercial opportunity. Any form of music concerts or events where there would be significant noise pollution. Decent parking facilities to cope with additional matchday attendance or any other event like the above. Hotels - why do you need a hotel at the top of Glos Rd? Its miles away from any landmarks in the City. Poor public transport and road networks. If we can play virtually limited football games at the Mem, which create a fair bit of noise, then why can't we put on the odd summer concert at a redeveloped stadium? If we're only going to build a stadium where a hotel can be built alongside it, I sense we'll never build a stadium, as we can't afford the land prices. |
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Post by craigo on Jan 24, 2023 16:03:11 GMT
Any form of industrial commercial opportunity. Any form of music concerts or events where there would be significant noise pollution. Decent parking facilities to cope with additional matchday attendance or any other event like the above. Hotels - why do you need a hotel at the top of Glos Rd? Â Its miles away from any landmarks in the City. Poor public transport and road networks. If we can play virtually limited football games at the Mem, which create a fair bit of noise, then why can't we put on the odd summer concert at a redeveloped stadium? If we're only going to build a stadium where a hotel can be built alongside it, I sense we'll never build a stadium, as we can't afford the land prices. One we are not planning on buying the land just renting. Two why have we not had summer concerts and other events already then why are we suddenly going to be able to make money from the mem that we can't do now? |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 24, 2023 16:05:09 GMT
Plenty of room around Yatton 🤗 Also Chernobyl, Darfur, Bridgwater, Swindon and Pyongyang. See the link? Nope 🤔 |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 24, 2023 17:13:07 GMT
If we can play virtually limited football games at the Mem, which create a fair bit of noise, then why can't we put on the odd summer concert at a redeveloped stadium? If we're only going to build a stadium where a hotel can be built alongside it, I sense we'll never build a stadium, as we can't afford the land prices. One we are not planning on buying the land just renting. Two why have we not had summer concerts and other events already then why are we suddenly going to be able to make money from the mem that we can't do now? Just renting it off who? Just because Sam Frost posts some nonsense, which never comes to fruition, doesn't mean it's true. Pretty sure we tried a Queen tribute concert recently but that was cancelled at the last minute for some unknown reasons. However the present Mem is hardly an ideal concert venue. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 24, 2023 17:26:24 GMT
Because the numbers simply dont add up and there would be too many restrictions. I've done these rough maths before and ill do them again. To develop the mem based on a Brentfords stadium where you knock it down, relocate it on the plot somewhere would be in excess of £70m. Factor in that we wont be able to play at the mem for 18 months-2 years means we will have to go and ground share - Cost of that would be about £2-3m PA. Factor in loss of matchday income streams from that period like hospitality, food, drink, car parking, and we are talking another £1.5m PA So you are talking a net cost of around £80m to rebuild the mem. You will probably be limited on licencing laws meaning you wont be able to be like an "arena" in the summer for concerts and shows, limited on parking, crap public transport even with the new smaller station somewhere down Glos Road. The ROI just isnt there to make it viable. If you aquire some land, build a stadium for the same cost but can still continue at the Mem, You cut out a significant portion of losses. Also the mem site is prime site for housing. Around a 1/3 of your relocation and build costs can be raised from the sale of that plot. You are talking £30-40m worth of savings by relocating the stadium. Don't forget you save 20% VAT on new build costs as well - a fair old wedge on a multimillion pound build. I'd love the Mem but it doesn't stack up. The fruit market 10 minutes from my house therefore makes all sorts of sense... If we started from scratch the Mem would be classed as new build? Although does that apply to commercial property as surely the club are VAT registered and would recover the VAT? |
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Post by aghast on Jan 24, 2023 17:40:34 GMT
If we can play virtually limited football games at the Mem, which create a fair bit of noise, then why can't we put on the odd summer concert at a redeveloped stadium? If we're only going to build a stadium where a hotel can be built alongside it, I sense we'll never build a stadium, as we can't afford the land prices. One we are not planning on buying the land just renting. Two why have we not had summer concerts and other events already then why are we suddenly going to be able to make money from the mem that we can't do now? Just because we haven't had them doesn't mean we can't have them. That's quite a supposition, and I think it's a convenient excuse. We play regular night games where 10,000 undesirables make a right old racket and definitely don't leave quietly. It takes a bit of will, patience and bribery of planning officials. Also plenty of room for a hotel and restaurants at the Mem. There are three places offering accommodation within a few hundred yards of the Mem and the Filton Premier Inn is 10 mins up the road. So there is a demand. Possibly incorporated into the stands, like the 2007 plan and Leyton Orient's ground. Or better still in the car park. I wonder how many fans would be willing to up parking at the ground in return for a revamped stadium with revenue streams? It's all about raising the finance, imo, and this stuff about not being viable as a revenue generating proposition is a deflection. It's an attractive site in a prosperous city, and far more appealing than most other football locations where successful redevelopments can and do happen. I think maybe Wael has lost the will to find the investment. Shame if true. |
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Post by playtowin on Jan 24, 2023 17:44:32 GMT
One we are not planning on buying the land just renting. Two why have we not had summer concerts and other events already then why are we suddenly going to be able to make money from the mem that we can't do now? Just because we haven't had them doesn't mean we can't have them. That's quite a supposition, and I think it's a convenient excuse. We play regular night games where 10,000 undesirables make a right old racket and definitely don't leave quietly. It takes a bit of will, patience and bribery of planning officials. Also plenty of room for a hotel and restaurants at the Mem. There are three places offering accommodation within a few hundred yards of the Mem and the Filton Premier Inn is 10 mins up the road. So there is a demand. Possibly incorporated into the stands, like the 2007 plan and Leyton Orient's ground. Or better still in the car park. I wonder how many fans would be willing to up parking at the ground in return for a revamped stadium with revenue streams? It's all about raising the finance, imo, and this stuff about not being viable as a revenue generating proposition is a deflection. It's an attractive site in a prosperous city, and far more appealing than most other football locations where successful redevelopments can and do happen. I think maybe Wael has lost the will to find the investment. Shame if true. A hotel will require some parking so there has to be enough for that. Underground parking , or lower storeys are parking ? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 24, 2023 19:51:56 GMT
One we are not planning on buying the land just renting. Two why have we not had summer concerts and other events already then why are we suddenly going to be able to make money from the mem that we can't do now? Just because we haven't had them doesn't mean we can't have them. That's quite a supposition, and I think it's a convenient excuse. We play regular night games where 10,000 undesirables make a right old racket and definitely don't leave quietly. It takes a bit of will, patience and bribery of planning officials. Also plenty of room for a hotel and restaurants at the Mem. There are three places offering accommodation within a few hundred yards of the Mem and the Filton Premier Inn is 10 mins up the road. So there is a demand. Possibly incorporated into the stands, like the 2007 plan and Leyton Orient's ground. Or better still in the car park. I wonder how many fans would be willing to up parking at the ground in return for a revamped stadium with revenue streams? It's all about raising the finance, imo, and this stuff about not being viable as a revenue generating proposition is a deflection. It's an attractive site in a prosperous city, and far more appealing than most other football locations where successful redevelopments can and do happen. I think maybe Wael has lost the will to find the investment. Shame if true. Where would most people sooner stay in an hotel at a sports stadium, Bristol, Bolton, Reading or Leicester? |
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Post by craigo on Jan 24, 2023 20:10:02 GMT
One we are not planning on buying the land just renting. Two why have we not had summer concerts and other events already then why are we suddenly going to be able to make money from the mem that we can't do now? Just because we haven't had them doesn't mean we can't have them. That's quite a supposition, and I think it's a convenient excuse. We play regular night games where 10,000 undesirables make a right old racket and definitely don't leave quietly. It takes a bit of will, patience and bribery of planning officials. Also plenty of room for a hotel and restaurants at the Mem. There are three places offering accommodation within a few hundred yards of the Mem and the Filton Premier Inn is 10 mins up the road. So there is a demand. Possibly incorporated into the stands, like the 2007 plan and Leyton Orient's ground. Or better still in the car park. I wonder how many fans would be willing to up parking at the ground in return for a revamped stadium with revenue streams? It's all about raising the finance, imo, and this stuff about not being viable as a revenue generating proposition is a deflection. It's an attractive site in a prosperous city, and far more appealing than most other football locations where successful redevelopments can and do happen. I think maybe Wael has lost the will to find the investment. Shame if true. You must have a short memory regarding planning re Sainsbury's if we needed planning for 10,000 undesirables we would not have got it. No chance the locals would not complain about loads of concerts etc. Also not sure what is appealing about the mem apart from the local pubs and eateries that the club makes no money from. At the end of the day it's a site in the burbs surrounded by housing, with little to no commercial opportunities as demonstrated by us being there for years and not being able to make much. It's not near either university or near large employers such as the premier Inn is. |
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Post by aghast on Jan 24, 2023 21:58:49 GMT
Just because we haven't had them doesn't mean we can't have them. That's quite a supposition, and I think it's a convenient excuse. We play regular night games where 10,000 undesirables make a right old racket and definitely don't leave quietly. It takes a bit of will, patience and bribery of planning officials. Also plenty of room for a hotel and restaurants at the Mem. There are three places offering accommodation within a few hundred yards of the Mem and the Filton Premier Inn is 10 mins up the road. So there is a demand. Possibly incorporated into the stands, like the 2007 plan and Leyton Orient's ground. Or better still in the car park. I wonder how many fans would be willing to up parking at the ground in return for a revamped stadium with revenue streams? It's all about raising the finance, imo, and this stuff about not being viable as a revenue generating proposition is a deflection. It's an attractive site in a prosperous city, and far more appealing than most other football locations where successful redevelopments can and do happen. I think maybe Wael has lost the will to find the investment. Shame if true. You must have a short memory regarding planning re Sainsbury's if we needed planning for 10,000 undesirables we would not have got it. No chance the locals would not complain about loads of concerts etc. Also not sure what is appealing about the mem apart from the local pubs and eateries that the club makes no money from. At the end of the day it's a site in the burbs surrounded by housing, with little to no commercial opportunities as demonstrated by us being there for years and not being able to make much. It's not near either university or near large employers such as the premier Inn is. The Premier Inn is 10 minutes away!??! Not a game changer. As for concerts, I doubt if there's ever been an open air concert anywhere in the UK, ever, where the locals haven't complained. But they happen. Like the Eastville Park festival. Anyway I won't bore anyone with my sums, but I have been working this out very carefully, and just four sold out concerts a year, plus rent charged to the hotel and two restaurants would raise just over £3m per annum in revenue. Not profit of course. That would be for our steely-eyed negotiators to negotiate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2023 23:02:23 GMT
Just because we haven't had them doesn't mean we can't have them. That's quite a supposition, and I think it's a convenient excuse. We play regular night games where 10,000 undesirables make a right old racket and definitely don't leave quietly. It takes a bit of will, patience and bribery of planning officials. Also plenty of room for a hotel and restaurants at the Mem. There are three places offering accommodation within a few hundred yards of the Mem and the Filton Premier Inn is 10 mins up the road. So there is a demand. Possibly incorporated into the stands, like the 2007 plan and Leyton Orient's ground. Or better still in the car park. I wonder how many fans would be willing to up parking at the ground in return for a revamped stadium with revenue streams? It's all about raising the finance, imo, and this stuff about not being viable as a revenue generating proposition is a deflection. It's an attractive site in a prosperous city, and far more appealing than most other football locations where successful redevelopments can and do happen. I think maybe Wael has lost the will to find the investment. Shame if true. Where would most people sooner stay in an hotel at a sports stadium, Bristol, Bolton, Reading or Leicester? Blackpool |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 24, 2023 23:22:14 GMT
Where would most people sooner stay in an hotel at a sports stadium, Bristol, Bolton, Reading or Leicester? Blackpool Chav 🙄 Bristol every time ! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2023 23:32:31 GMT
Chav 🙄 Bristol every time ! I would dine out in Lytham though so that makes I gert posh. |
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