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Post by gasheadbatesy on Feb 16, 2023 22:42:43 GMT
Good news if it happens ! I'll believe it when I'm still not going to games in it. good 🛎️ end |
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Post by aghast on Feb 16, 2023 23:01:12 GMT
Anyone got a copy of the notes? There are confidentiality clauses involved with any new stadium talks, but Tom didn't deny that it could be another 7 years before we are in a new stadium . But the club see the long term future away from the Mem. Ah that word confidentiality again. While other clubs trumpet their new developments (Wrexham, Everton), we wrap it all up in a cloudy misty stream of secrecy. |
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Post by olskooltoteender on Feb 17, 2023 1:40:23 GMT
Good news if it happens ! I'll believe it when I'm still not going to games in it. Aww that made I laff out loud . . .😁 |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 17, 2023 7:22:09 GMT
Just worried the 30 designs sounds very similar to Wael's "a dozen(?) world class stadium designers working on plans" or words to that effect about the UWE. 3D drawings, not 30. Oh, for some reason I couldn't zoom into the notes on my laptop, let's hope the club do now share the designs when they are available. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 17, 2023 7:28:31 GMT
There are confidentiality clauses involved with any new stadium talks, but Tom didn't deny that it could be another 7 years before we are in a new stadium . But the club see the long term future away from the Mem. Ah that word confidentiality again. While other clubs trumpet their new developments (Wrexham, Everton), we wrap it all up in a cloudy misty stream of secrecy. Wrexham are simply redeveloping one stand at their existing ground and Everton are half way through building their new stadium, so hardly comparable to Rovers position. If Rovers have been told they can't divulge any details of a stadium project what do you expect them to do, still announce the plans regardless of any confidentially clauses they've agreed to sign and then risk the whole project. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 17, 2023 9:58:22 GMT
"But at least the club are doing everything they can to sort things" Shouldn't that read "but at least the club are doing something they can to sort things"? As surely doing everything would be either completely redeveloping the Mem or agreeing a deal for a new stadium? Anything's better than doing nothing but it's looking likely there's no real plans for a new stadium anytime soon,if ever. It sounds like redeveloping The Mem is now the only option and not a position I am against. I think redeveloping The Mem is a great option. I wonder how much a new stand, albeit semi permanent is going to cost? Redevelopment of the Mem, I'd love to see it but I cannot see how we could make it pay. Brentford's stadium which holds 17250 seats cost £70m. Thats £4050 per seat roughly. If we were to build the same then at £400 per season ticket that would take you 10 years to pay back assuming no interest on the debt and you sell all the seats for every game. Even if we limited the build cost to £2k and put in 20k seats for additional capacity, promotions and local derbies in mind thats still £40m to find! Thats just some back of the fag packet numbers but gives an idea on why the club is baulking at the idea of a Mem redevelopment. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2023 11:11:51 GMT
It sounds like redeveloping The Mem is now the only option and not a position I am against. I think redeveloping The Mem is a great option. I wonder how much a new stand, albeit semi permanent is going to cost? Redevelopment of the Mem, I'd love to see it but I cannot see how we could make it pay. Brentford's stadium which holds 17250 seats cost £70m. Thats £4050 per seat roughly. If we were to build the same then at £400 per season ticket that would take you 10 years to pay back assuming no interest on the debt and you sell all the seats for every game. Even if we limited the build cost to £2k and put in 20k seats for additional capacity, promotions and local derbies in mind thats still £40m to find! Thats just some back of the fag packet numbers but gives an idea on why the club is baulking at the idea of a Mem redevelopment. Was Brentfords cost including the land purchase? |
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 17, 2023 11:14:00 GMT
I wonder how much a new stand, albeit semi permanent is going to cost? Redevelopment of the Mem, I'd love to see it but I cannot see how we could make it pay. Brentford's stadium which holds 17250 seats cost £70m. Thats £4050 per seat roughly. If we were to build the same then at £400 per season ticket that would take you 10 years to pay back assuming no interest on the debt and you sell all the seats for every game. Even if we limited the build cost to £2k and put in 20k seats for additional capacity, promotions and local derbies in mind thats still £40m to find! Thats just some back of the fag packet numbers but gives an idea on why the club is baulking at the idea of a Mem redevelopment. Was Brentfords cost including the land purchase? Good question to which I dont know the answer. I took the figure on what they stated as their £70m new stadium" (which I think actually cost £75m in the end). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2023 11:20:35 GMT
Was Brentfords cost including the land purchase? Good question to which I dont know the answer. I took the figure on what they stated as their £70m new stadium" (which I think actually cost £75m in the end). Yes, just saw it myself. Back in 2006 the cost to redevelop The Mem to a 17,500 all seated stadium was £35m that was purely the construction cost and didn't account for any losses incurred with partial ground closure or moving out for a period of time. It is possible that the build costs have doubled in that time but so have residential property prices and student accommodation is still in demand. It might be the only option on the table at the moment. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 17, 2023 11:24:25 GMT
Good question to which I dont know the answer. I took the figure on what they stated as their £70m new stadium" (which I think actually cost £75m in the end). Yes, just saw it myself. Back in 2006 the cost to redevelop The Mem to a 17,500 all seated stadium was £35m that was purely the construction cost and didn't account for any losses incurred with partial ground closure or moving out for a period of time. It is possible that the build costs have doubled in that time but so have residential property prices and student accommodation is still in demand. It might be the only option on the table at the moment. Did that include the cost of the student flats too? Could shave off a bit if they aren't included. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 17, 2023 11:24:49 GMT
Good question to which I dont know the answer. I took the figure on what they stated as their £70m new stadium" (which I think actually cost £75m in the end). Yes, just saw it myself. Back in 2006 the cost to redevelop The Mem to a 17,500 all seated stadium was £35m that was purely the construction cost and didn't account for any losses incurred with partial ground closure or moving out for a period of time. It is possible that the build costs have doubled in that time but so have residential property prices and student accommodation is still in demand. It might be the only option on the table at the moment. I would be interested in an architect actually drawing a plan with some residential in mind with a cost per seat build cost. Only then we would know if its truly "unviable". The back of the fag packet maths I have done with my limited knowledge doesnt make for great numbers. Especially when you would be limited on what you could use the stadium for post build as well as not curing some of the additional problems that come with more people at a venue such as parking and roads. |
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Post by olskooltoteender on Feb 17, 2023 11:39:14 GMT
Ah that word confidentiality again. While other clubs trumpet their new developments (Wrexham, Everton), we wrap it all up in a cloudy misty stream of secrecy. Wrexham are simply redeveloping one stand at their existing ground and Everton are half way through building their new stadium, so hardly comparable to Rovers position. If Rovers have been told they can't divulge any details of a stadium project what do you expect them to do, still announce the plans regardless of any confidentially clauses they've agreed to sign and then risk the whole project. That’s exactly what some people expect. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2023 11:40:56 GMT
Yes, just saw it myself. Back in 2006 the cost to redevelop The Mem to a 17,500 all seated stadium was £35m that was purely the construction cost and didn't account for any losses incurred with partial ground closure or moving out for a period of time. It is possible that the build costs have doubled in that time but so have residential property prices and student accommodation is still in demand. It might be the only option on the table at the moment. Did that include the cost of the student flats too? Could shave off a bit if they aren't included. Yes, total build cost. But if you shave off the student accommodation who is going to pay for the stadium, that was what was funding the build cost? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2023 11:47:38 GMT
Yes, just saw it myself. Back in 2006 the cost to redevelop The Mem to a 17,500 all seated stadium was £35m that was purely the construction cost and didn't account for any losses incurred with partial ground closure or moving out for a period of time. It is possible that the build costs have doubled in that time but so have residential property prices and student accommodation is still in demand. It might be the only option on the table at the moment. I would be interested in an architect actually drawing a plan with some residential in mind with a cost per seat build cost. Only then we would know if its truly "unviable". The back of the fag packet maths I have done with my limited knowledge doesnt make for great numbers. Especially when you would be limited on what you could use the stadium for post build as well as not curing some of the additional problems that come with more people at a venue such as parking and roads. I agree with you that it should be fully considered, I'm sure Ed could throw some numbers in the air as he was instrumental in the last set of plans. Parking although an issue shouldn't be a problem with people being encouraged to use public transport and other means already within Bristol. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 17, 2023 11:50:47 GMT
Did that include the cost of the student flats too? Could shave off a bit if they aren't included. Yes, total build cost. But if you shave off the student accommodation who is going to pay for the stadium, that was what was funding the build cost? Worth revisiting if a new build isn't possible, although as that is still Plan A then I can't see much more at the Mem other than the new South Stand. In the medium term, we could utilise temporary seating elsewhere if necessary which won't include much infrastructure and may be cheaper. Interesting debate, though. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2023 11:53:25 GMT
Yes, total build cost. But if you shave off the student accommodation who is going to pay for the stadium, that was what was funding the build cost? Worth revisiting if a new build isn't possible, although as that is still Plan A then I can't see much more at the Mem other than the new South Stand. In the medium term, we could utilise temporary seating elsewhere if necessary which won't include much infrastructure and may be cheaper. Interesting debate, though. If Plan A is still available then line up Plan B, just in case. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 17, 2023 13:01:20 GMT
Yes, just saw it myself. Back in 2006 the cost to redevelop The Mem to a 17,500 all seated stadium was £35m that was purely the construction cost and didn't account for any losses incurred with partial ground closure or moving out for a period of time. It is possible that the build costs have doubled in that time but so have residential property prices and student accommodation is still in demand. It might be the only option on the table at the moment. I would be interested in an architect actually drawing a plan with some residential in mind with a cost per seat build cost. Only then we would know if it’s truly "unviable". The back of the fag packet maths I have done with my limited knowledge doesnt make for great numbers. Especially when you would be limited on what you could use the stadium for post build as well as not curing some of the additional problems that come with more people at a venue such as parking and roads. I’ve always believed the viability hasn’t been so much the initial build cost but the ongoing revenue opportunities when it has been built. An example with some completely made up numbers. If a stadium costs us only £20mn but we don’t get any extra revenue opportunities then over a 40 year period it’ll cost us £0.5mn If it costs us £60mn but it pays back £2mn a year (ignoring inflation or interest) then over 40 years we make a profit of £20mn. Which is ultimately why it makes sense staying at the Mem is considered unviable compared to what would ultimately make for a much more expensive new stadium when you account for land costs - because it only pays back in the build cost but doesn’t add money to the clubs revenue streams in the medium to long term and effectively paying for itself and buying players in the process. |
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Post by baggins on Feb 17, 2023 13:08:31 GMT
I guess one thing to factor into rebuilding the Mem, is that unless we move somewhere whilst it's being done, it would I assume mean reduced capacity for 4 years whilst we do one stand at a time?
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 17, 2023 15:08:41 GMT
I guess one thing to factor into rebuilding the Mem, is that unless we move somewhere whilst it's being done, it would I assume mean reduced capacity for 4 years whilst we do one stand at a time? Possibly Bags, potentially even means moving out for a season. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2023 15:40:53 GMT
Interesting that Conygar Bristol Limited who are behind the St Phillips development was incorporated in November 2022 and Robert Ware whose name has been mentioned in the past on this thread joined the board of directors of that company just last week.
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