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Post by gasincider on Nov 2, 2019 1:14:55 GMT
Blimey, we don’t hear from the holy trinity for weeks and then they all pop up digging for a rise out of people with accusations flying left, right and centre. Firstly, as you are all online, pop over to the fruit market thread will you boys, there are some unanswered questions on there only you lot know how to answer. My requests by Knowall were ignored earlier this week. To the supporters club. The supporters club, although does various good things (credit where it’s due), needs an overhaul from top to bottom. It’s been done to death on here previously, but let’s state it again for the record because no one bothers to reply with any succinctness on the subject. So let’s start with an important part of being a fans director. Communication with the fans. How can he communicate with the fans, when you have a fans director that is tucked away in box 1 on matchdays? How can you communicate with the fans with no contact on email or social media, how is he actually being the link between club and fans? Why haven’t the SC got any members on the committee below the age of 40? Why is there no diversity in ethnicity on the committee, how can you represent such people? Where is the female fans representative? Or what are they doing to promote BAME and LGBTQ groups? Where is the support for the disabled? Where is the support target for encouraging families and the target age group of 14-25 for new supporters. It’s a white collar, middle class bridge club. Point me to the members on the website and advertisement of the initiatives that say otherwise. And speaking of the website, the new one is a joke. It’s SEO and rank optimisation is next to non existent. I’ve checked. Have the SC garnered any electronic data from the main club website to harvest any new fans? How about getting the SC sponsored to raise the profile? Media, social or otherwise? The best social media gets is mostly a bunch of retweets from the official source, no links with opposition fan clubs, local podcasts or forums. The closest any print media it gets outside the official programme is leaks from the board to the Bristol Post. And then people say, ah but why are you being so critical? They do XY and Z. Because that’s been done for years and years, the 50/50, the dinner dance etc, with a degree of success I will admit, but it could be so much better, and yet they either can’t be bothered, don’t want to listen or don’t want to adapt with the times, and that is the precise reason the SC will bumble along in its current guise and nothing will change, because it needs complete change and not the action of just 1 or 2 individuals. But I’m willing to bet if you had 5 willing new members, willing to do put their hands up to be on the committee and to represent as the fans director, they would get nowhere near the top table, because it’s almost Masonic. The reason why there is such a disconnect between the SC and the club is because you have Tom Gorringe, who is brilliantly leading the commercial and marketing department in ways we could never dream of 5 years ago, looking back at a club who can barely scrape a newsletter together. If I have got any of the above wrong then do feel free to correct me. I guess we can expect you to volunteer to do some of the above yeah? The club tell the s/c nowt. All Gorringe wants is to be rid of them. Presumably because he gets paid on overall turnover, it would be a nice little earner for him. As for a female fans rep, there were two women on the top table. Did Tom get the funds from Dribuild before they collapsed or did he wait too long. Still waiting to find out if you think Ken does f... all for the club. It's obvious he does a bloody site more than you to promote it. All you can do is verbally bully an older fan. That says more about you than it does about him. If you want to know what's happening re the fruit market ask your buddy up there. Or doesn't he know?Its not that long ago when he didn't know where it was, despite the fact he stated publically 'we are very interested in the site'. You couldnt make it up.
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Post by glengas on Nov 2, 2019 1:20:28 GMT
Blimey, we don’t hear from the holy trinity for weeks and then they all pop up digging for a rise out of people with accusations flying left, right and centre. Firstly, as you are all online, pop over to the fruit market thread will you boys, there are some unanswered questions on there only you lot know how to answer. My requests by Knowall were ignored earlier this week. To the supporters club. The supporters club, although does various good things (credit where it’s due), needs an overhaul from top to bottom. It’s been done to death on here previously, but let’s state it again for the record because no one bothers to reply with any succinctness on the subject. So let’s start with an important part of being a fans director. Communication with the fans. How can he communicate with the fans, when you have a fans director that is tucked away in box 1 on matchdays? How can you communicate with the fans with no contact on email or social media, how is he actually being the link between club and fans? Why haven’t the SC got any members on the committee below the age of 40? Why is there no diversity in ethnicity on the committee, how can you represent such people? Where is the female fans representative? Or what are they doing to promote BAME and LGBTQ groups? Where is the support for the disabled? Where is the support target for encouraging families and the target age group of 14-25 for new supporters. It’s a white collar, middle class bridge club. Point me to the members on the website and advertisement of the initiatives that say otherwise. And speaking of the website, the new one is a joke. It’s SEO and rank optimisation is next to non existent. I’ve checked. Have the SC garnered any electronic data from the main club website to harvest any new fans? How about getting the SC sponsored to raise the profile? Media, social or otherwise? The best social media gets is mostly a bunch of retweets from the official source, no links with opposition fan clubs, local podcasts or forums. The closest any print media it gets outside the official programme is leaks from the board to the Bristol Post. And then people say, ah but why are you being so critical? They do XY and Z. Because that’s been done for years and years, the 50/50, the dinner dance etc, with a degree of success I will admit, but it could be so much better, and yet they either can’t be bothered, don’t want to listen or don’t want to adapt with the times, and that is the precise reason the SC will bumble along in its current guise and nothing will change, because it needs complete change and not the action of just 1 or 2 individuals. But I’m willing to bet if you had 5 willing new members, willing to do put their hands up to be on the committee and to represent as the fans director, they would get nowhere near the top table, because it’s almost Masonic. The reason why there is such a disconnect between the SC and the club is because you have Tom Gorringe, who is brilliantly leading the commercial and marketing department in ways we could never dream of 5 years ago, looking back at a club who can barely scrape a newsletter together. If I have got any of the above wrong then do feel free to correct me. How much is Gorringe getting paid to lead the Commercial department and what is his budget compared to running the supporters club? Has he offered help to the SC and has this been turned down? Surely everyone should be pulling in the same direction for the good of the club. Too much politics from all sides in the last couple of years and it is tearing the club apart.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 7:38:58 GMT
Are any of you capable of just attending Rovers games to watch the bl00dy football! Honestly this tedious points scoring between usual faces is/has become very tedious. You need your heads banging together. Why does all this bother you so much? I just don’t get it. Is there really a need to feel like you know more than somebody else.?
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 2, 2019 8:16:08 GMT
Blimey, we don’t hear from the holy trinity for weeks and then they all pop up digging for a rise out of people with accusations flying left, right and centre. Firstly, as you are all online, pop over to the fruit market thread will you boys, there are some unanswered questions on there only you lot know how to answer. My requests by Knowall were ignored earlier this week. To the supporters club. The supporters club, although does various good things (credit where it’s due), needs an overhaul from top to bottom. It’s been done to death on here previously, but let’s state it again for the record because no one bothers to reply with any succinctness on the subject. So let’s start with an important part of being a fans director. Communication with the fans. How can he communicate with the fans, when you have a fans director that is tucked away in box 1 on matchdays? How can you communicate with the fans with no contact on email or social media, how is he actually being the link between club and fans? Why haven’t the SC got any members on the committee below the age of 40? Why is there no diversity in ethnicity on the committee, how can you represent such people? Where is the female fans representative? Or what are they doing to promote BAME and LGBTQ groups? Where is the support for the disabled? Where is the support target for encouraging families and the target age group of 14-25 for new supporters. It’s a white collar, middle class bridge club. Point me to the members on the website and advertisement of the initiatives that say otherwise. And speaking of the website, the new one is a joke. It’s SEO and rank optimisation is next to non existent. I’ve checked. Have the SC garnered any electronic data from the main club website to harvest any new fans? How about getting the SC sponsored to raise the profile? Media, social or otherwise? The best social media gets is mostly a bunch of retweets from the official source, no links with opposition fan clubs, local podcasts or forums. The closest any print media it gets outside the official programme is leaks from the board to the Bristol Post. And then people say, ah but why are you being so critical? They do XY and Z. Because that’s been done for years and years, the 50/50, the dinner dance etc, with a degree of success I will admit, but it could be so much better, and yet they either can’t be bothered, don’t want to listen or don’t want to adapt with the times, and that is the precise reason the SC will bumble along in its current guise and nothing will change, because it needs complete change and not the action of just 1 or 2 individuals. But I’m willing to bet if you had 5 willing new members, willing to do put their hands up to be on the committee and to represent as the fans director, they would get nowhere near the top table, because it’s almost Masonic. The reason why there is such a disconnect between the SC and the club is because you have Tom Gorringe, who is brilliantly leading the commercial and marketing department in ways we could never dream of 5 years ago, looking back at a club who can barely scrape a newsletter together. If I have got any of the above wrong then do feel free to correct me. I guess we can expect you to volunteer to do some of the above yeah? The club tell the s/c nowt. All Gorringe wants is to be rid of them. Presumably because he gets paid on overall turnover, it would be a nice little earner for him. As for a female fans rep, there were two women on the top table. Did Tom get the funds from Dribuild before they collapsed or did he wait too long. Still waiting to find out if you think Ken does f... all for the club. It's obvious he does a bloody site more than you to promote it. All you can do is verbally bully an older fan. That says more about you than it does about him. If you want to know what's happening re the fruit market ask your buddy up there. Or doesn't he know?Its not that long ago when he didn't know where it was, despite the fact he stated publically 'we are very interested in the site'. You couldnt make it up. Nice of you to ignore most of all of my questions/points raised and attack me instead! I’ve not bullied anyone, I’ve simply asked, in fact many times as have others, how can any fan contact the fans director when he is not to be seen on matchdays (because the average fan doesn’t have access to the boxes) and we can't communicate with him via any electronic platform. It’s a perfectly reasonable ask of someone who represents the fan base. If you put yourself up for election to an elevated position then you have to lead by example and expect questioning if there are improvements that need to be made. If that happens to be less than complimentary then come out and defend it, engage with the people and reassure them of your position. Female fans: what’s the mission statement and what are they actively doing for female supporters? That’s what the website and social media should be for. Same for all the other groups. To show what’s active and what services are on offer. The club tell the SC nowt because the info they get leaks out quicker than the titanic. KM was at the centre of one himself sending text messages to the fan base which weren’t for general consumption. At the AGM, when you of all people, were attacking the owners with baseless and vitriolic accusations you or no one else in the room could substantiate, rather than stand up and control the people under his representation, he sat there and said the square root of jack all, doing nothing to either calm the situation or ensure proper structured questioning. It was a complete cluster, led by you. Do you think TG doesn’t want to use a SC? Of course he does. He just can’t. Now I don’t know what Mr Gorringe salary is, and quite frankly I don’t need to, but looking at the revenue and initiatives he has come up with and introduced then I would say he is worth his weight right now. As for what I do for the club? Well over the years I’ve done quite a bit, I do things without people knowing and without shouting about it. I went to the main AGM to look at the shareholders there that evening, to see if I could join the SC and work alongside people there, and when I saw the performance of some of the ones on show that evening, well, you all came across as bunch of bitter and twisted unintelligent individuals with an axe to grind with absolutely no idea how to communicate with each other, let alone the board of directors. It was embarrassing for all on show and completely rudderless. And if that’s the regular behaviour of the SC then I won’t join and it’s absolutely no wonder why the club won’t associate themselves with it. You all need a good lesson in respect and decorum before you can move forward with any plans of action. So with all that, If I really thought that peeing into the wind would be a productive use of my time and joining a club that distances myself further from by team than drawing me closer to it would be representative of the cost of my membership, then I would join tomorrow. But as it stands, with the current setup and lack of direction, then no thanks.
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 2, 2019 8:23:11 GMT
And just to add. I don’t think that the SC is all bad, it does some excellent work and the volunteers should be commended and thanked for their time and commitment to what they do.
I just have a problem with the attitude of some within it, the actions (or lack of) from some and the fact it hasn’t moved with the times and actually represent me as a fan because of that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 9:13:05 GMT
Blimey, we don’t hear from the holy trinity for weeks and then they all pop up digging for a rise out of people with accusations flying left, right and centre. Firstly, as you are all online, pop over to the fruit market thread will you boys, there are some unanswered questions on there only you lot know how to answer. My requests by Knowall were ignored earlier this week. To the supporters club. The supporters club, although does various good things (credit where it’s due), needs an overhaul from top to bottom. It’s been done to death on here previously, but let’s state it again for the record because no one bothers to reply with any succinctness on the subject. So let’s start with an important part of being a fans director. Communication with the fans. How can he communicate with the fans, when you have a fans director that is tucked away in box 1 on matchdays? How can you communicate with the fans with no contact on email or social media, how is he actually being the link between club and fans? Why haven’t the SC got any members on the committee below the age of 40? Why is there no diversity in ethnicity on the committee, how can you represent such people? Where is the female fans representative? Or what are they doing to promote BAME and LGBTQ groups? Where is the support for the disabled? Where is the support target for encouraging families and the target age group of 14-25 for new supporters. It’s a white collar, middle class bridge club. Point me to the members on the website and advertisement of the initiatives that say otherwise. And speaking of the website, the new one is a joke. It’s SEO and rank optimisation is next to non existent. I’ve checked. Have the SC garnered any electronic data from the main club website to harvest any new fans? How about getting the SC sponsored to raise the profile? Media, social or otherwise? The best social media gets is mostly a bunch of retweets from the official source, no links with opposition fan clubs, local podcasts or forums. The closest any print media it gets outside the official programme is leaks from the board to the Bristol Post. And then people say, ah but why are you being so critical? They do XY and Z. Because that’s been done for years and years, the 50/50, the dinner dance etc, with a degree of success I will admit, but it could be so much better, and yet they either can’t be bothered, don’t want to listen or don’t want to adapt with the times, and that is the precise reason the SC will bumble along in its current guise and nothing will change, because it needs complete change and not the action of just 1 or 2 individuals. But I’m willing to bet if you had 5 willing new members, willing to do put their hands up to be on the committee and to represent as the fans director, they would get nowhere near the top table, because it’s almost Masonic. The reason why there is such a disconnect between the SC and the club is because you have Tom Gorringe, who is brilliantly leading the commercial and marketing department in ways we could never dream of 5 years ago, looking back at a club who can barely scrape a newsletter together. If I have got any of the above wrong then do feel free to correct me. Very simple solution to your post.join the s.c. and do what the late rod Chapman did and stand for election to either the committee or as a fans director.or is that the equivalent of saying put your money or Mercedes.where your mouth is
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 9:18:18 GMT
And just to add. I don’t think that the SC is all bad, it does some excellent work and the volunteers should be commended and thanked for their time and commitment to what they do. I just have a problem with the attitude of some within it, the actions (or lack of) from some and the fact it hasn’t moved with the times and actually represent me as a fan because of that. Simple question if and when the al qadis sell up are you going to suck up to the new owners and criticise your current best mate or continue to be their spokesperson.by the way do any of the family drive Mercedes now?
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 2, 2019 9:26:37 GMT
And just to add. I don’t think that the SC is all bad, it does some excellent work and the volunteers should be commended and thanked for their time and commitment to what they do. I just have a problem with the attitude of some within it, the actions (or lack of) from some and the fact it hasn’t moved with the times and actually represent me as a fan because of that. Simple question if and when the al qadis sell up are you going to suck up to the new owners and criticise your current best mate or continue to be their spokesperson.by the way do any of the family drive Mercedes now? How have I sucked up to the the current owners now? I owe them nothing, and they owe me nothing. If the SC sort out their issues, modernise and adapt they will be free from criticism will they not. For the record, I have not had, past or present, any business dealings with the Al’Qadi family and neither are they customers of mine in any other business that I own or be associated with. Is that clear enough for you?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 9:34:31 GMT
Simple question if and when the al qadis sell up are you going to suck up to the new owners and criticise your current best mate or continue to be their spokesperson.by the way do any of the family drive Mercedes now? How have I sucked up to the the current owners now? I owe them nothing, and they owe me nothing. If the SC sort out their issues, modernise and adapt they will be free from criticism will they not. For the record, I have not had, past or present, any business dealings with the Al’Qadi family and neither are they customers of mine in any other business that I own or be associated with. Is that clear enough for you? If you are not sucking up to them then you are giving a very good impression of doing so by you continual defensive postings in their behalf But that is fairly typical of some people always criticising others for their failures but never prepared to put their head above the parapet and try to change things.wasy to sit in a plush office at cribs causeway master of all you survey but not prepared to get your hands dirty doing mundane jobs free of charge
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 2, 2019 9:55:32 GMT
Maybe it would help if we focus on the actual issues rather than people.
The burden of proof lies with those making the claim.
We keep hearing that we are being taken over and that the AQs are killing the club and yet absolutely NO evidence is provided.
I at least have some respect for Knowall who had had the decency to say who he is.
I've been saying this for what seems like forever now, but either post some bloody proof that the AQs are killing us or stop the endless drip feed of negative smear stories and back them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 10:18:04 GMT
Maybe it would help if we focus on the actual issues rather than people. The burden of proof lies with those making the claim. We keep hearing that we are being taken over and that the AQs are killing the club and yet absolutely NO evidence is provided. I at least have some respect for Knowall who had had the decency to say who he is. I've been saying this for what seems like forever now, but either post some bloody proof that the AQs are killing us or stop the endless drip feed of negative smear stories and back them. Think you are on the wrong page this is about the s.c.and how non members want it to change but aren't prepared to join and try to implement their ideas.as a number of us keep saying join and put your ideas forward or in other words put up or shut up
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 2, 2019 10:27:30 GMT
Maybe it would help if we focus on the actual issues rather than people. The burden of proof lies with those making the claim. We keep hearing that we are being taken over and that the AQs are killing the club and yet absolutely NO evidence is provided. I at least have some respect for Knowall who had had the decency to say who he is. I've been saying this for what seems like forever now, but either post some bloody proof that the AQs are killing us or stop the endless drip feed of negative smear stories and back them. Think you are on the wrong page this is about the s.c.and how non members want it to change but aren't prepared to join and try to implement their ideas.as a number of us keep saying join and put your ideas forward or in other words put up or shut up It's all linked though isn't it. To suggest otherwise is somewhat disingenuous.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 11:03:14 GMT
Think you are on the wrong page this is about the s.c.and how non members want it to change but aren't prepared to join and try to implement their ideas.as a number of us keep saying join and put your ideas forward or in other words put up or shut up It's all linked though isn't it. To suggest otherwise is somewhat disingenuous. Not at all no one is discussing any take over or the owners this is purely about the s.c. and how people want it to change but not even prepared to pay the nominal sum to become members.it is not linked in any shape or form there are other topics where that has been done to death but it seems the mods on here have their own agenda
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Post by nailseamark on Nov 2, 2019 11:34:34 GMT
It's all linked though isn't it. To suggest otherwise is somewhat disingenuous. Not at all no one is discussing any take over or the owners this is purely about the s.c. and how people want it to change but not even prepared to pay the nominal sum to become members.it is not linked in any shape or form there are other topics where that has been done to death but it seems the mods on here have their own agenda At the end of the day I think we can all agree to disagree that it’s just a bunch of old fat boys with nothing better to do and nothing interesting to talk about. It’s a shame that society is the way it is nowadays and men can’t settle things the old fashioned way. Instead they sit behind a keyboard making vague threats at each other that get progressively worse each time until inevitably one of the little mods ban them. Old men on power trips.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 2, 2019 11:34:48 GMT
Blimey, we don’t hear from the holy trinity for weeks and then they all pop up digging for a rise out of people with accusations flying left, right and centre. Firstly, as you are all online, pop over to the fruit market thread will you boys, there are some unanswered questions on there only you lot know how to answer. My requests by Knowall were ignored earlier this week. To the supporters club. The supporters club, although does various good things (credit where it’s due), needs an overhaul from top to bottom. It’s been done to death on here previously, but let’s state it again for the record because no one bothers to reply with any succinctness on the subject. So let’s start with an important part of being a fans director. Communication with the fans. How can he communicate with the fans, when you have a fans director that is tucked away in box 1 on matchdays? How can you communicate with the fans with no contact on email or social media, how is he actually being the link between club and fans? Why haven’t the SC got any members on the committee below the age of 40? Why is there no diversity in ethnicity on the committee, how can you represent such people? Where is the female fans representative? Or what are they doing to promote BAME and LGBTQ groups? Where is the support for the disabled? Where is the support target for encouraging families and the target age group of 14-25 for new supporters. It’s a white collar, middle class bridge club. Point me to the members on the website and advertisement of the initiatives that say otherwise. And speaking of the website, the new one is a joke. It’s SEO and rank optimisation is next to non existent. I’ve checked. Have the SC garnered any electronic data from the main club website to harvest any new fans? How about getting the SC sponsored to raise the profile? Media, social or otherwise? The best social media gets is mostly a bunch of retweets from the official source, no links with opposition fan clubs, local podcasts or forums. The closest any print media it gets outside the official programme is leaks from the board to the Bristol Post. And then people say, ah but why are you being so critical? They do XY and Z. Because that’s been done for years and years, the 50/50, the dinner dance etc, with a degree of success I will admit, but it could be so much better, and yet they either can’t be bothered, don’t want to listen or don’t want to adapt with the times, and that is the precise reason the SC will bumble along in its current guise and nothing will change, because it needs complete change and not the action of just 1 or 2 individuals. But I’m willing to bet if you had 5 willing new members, willing to do put their hands up to be on the committee and to represent as the fans director, they would get nowhere near the top table, because it’s almost Masonic. The reason why there is such a disconnect between the SC and the club is because you have Tom Gorringe, who is brilliantly leading the commercial and marketing department in ways we could never dream of 5 years ago, looking back at a club who can barely scrape a newsletter together. If I have got any of the above wrong then do feel free to correct me. Send them to me by PM i will answer you, by PM as i'm not allowed to talk about it on here
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 2, 2019 11:38:28 GMT
How have I sucked up to the the current owners now? I owe them nothing, and they owe me nothing. If the SC sort out their issues, modernise and adapt they will be free from criticism will they not. For the record, I have not had, past or present, any business dealings with the Al’Qadi family and neither are they customers of mine in any other business that I own or be associated with. Is that clear enough for you? If you are not sucking up to them then you are giving a very good impression of doing so by you continual defensive postings in their behalf But that is fairly typical of some people always criticising others for their failures but never prepared to put their head above the parapet and try to change things.wasy to sit in a plush office at cribs causeway master of all you survey but not prepared to get your hands dirty doing mundane jobs free of charge I do not work for Mercedes-Benz at Cribbs Causeway. I’m self employed. So whoever is feeding your information on me has got it all wrong. You also know absolutely nothing about what I may or may not do for remuneration, for no reward or for charity. If you want to take a pot shot at least get your facts right. You’ll embarrass yourself otherwise.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 2, 2019 11:52:20 GMT
How have I sucked up to the the current owners now? I owe them nothing, and they owe me nothing. If the SC sort out their issues, modernise and adapt they will be free from criticism will they not. For the record, I have not had, past or present, any business dealings with the Al’Qadi family and neither are they customers of mine in any other business that I own or be associated with. Is that clear enough for you? If you are not sucking up to them then you are giving a very good impression of doing so by you continual defensive postings in their behalf But that is fairly typical of some people always criticising others for their failures but never prepared to put their head above the parapet and try to change things.wasy to sit in a plush office at cribs causeway master of all you survey but not prepared to get your hands dirty doing mundane jobs free of charge I'm happy to state that i suck up to them
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 2, 2019 12:39:56 GMT
It's all linked though isn't it. To suggest otherwise is somewhat disingenuous. Not at all no one is discussing any take over or the owners this is purely about the s.c. and how people want it to change but not even prepared to pay the nominal sum to become members.it is not linked in any shape or form there are other topics where that has been done to death but it seems the mods on here have their own agenda But the SC is surely more/less relevant than ever given the stuff on other threads and whether or not there is any truth in them.
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Post by curlywurly on Nov 2, 2019 12:47:24 GMT
Not at all no one is discussing any take over or the owners this is purely about the s.c. and how people want it to change but not even prepared to pay the nominal sum to become members.it is not linked in any shape or form there are other topics where that has been done to death but it seems the mods on here have their own agenda But the SC is surely more/less relevant than ever given the stuff on other threads and whether or not there is any truth in them. Thanks for clearing that up Hugo......
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Post by baggins on Nov 2, 2019 12:53:57 GMT
Not at all no one is discussing any take over or the owners this is purely about the s.c. and how people want it to change but not even prepared to pay the nominal sum to become members.it is not linked in any shape or form there are other topics where that has been done to death but it seems the mods on here have their own agenda But the SC is surely more/less relevant than ever given the stuff on other threads and whether or not there is any truth in them. You want the truth? You can't handle the truth.
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