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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 12:36:25 GMT
Well if you look at the vote numbers from last night it appears that the “get brexit done” vote was actually in a slight minority so it speaks more to a second referendum. And Labour and Lib Dem’s in direct opposition when both were in favour of a referendum was a killer. But hey, I feel as disappointed as you but one privilege reserved for the losers is the chance to hold the victor’s coat, stand on the sidelines and say “now show the people who voted for you what you can do”. I can’t see the north getting a sudden cash injection that they weren’t even promised, can you? Also the union is dead now and I don’t see rifts in this country being healed until two generations or more. When today’s youth grow up and live their whole lives with lack of available housing, stagnant wages, underfunded services etc only then will the country be ready to move towards the politics of the many and not the few. I completely agree with everything you've said. I can't help but feel a bit of anger to Lib Dems, a lot of this is on them for me. There was the chance to take down the Tories, put in a temporary government with Corbyn as leader, hold a referendum and then a GE. But no, Swinson couldn't get off her high horse to allow JC to be a temporary PM for a few weeks, somehow she over estimated her power with her 12 seats. How did she think the party with over 200 seats should ever make way for Lib Dems? The list of issues the country has is unbelievable - the only potential plus side of this majority is that it may allow Boris to create a softer Brexit in the December 2020 talks, but let's see - I doubt it. I usually have no issue with Tories winning, that's democracy - but this time it feels especially stupid. We've had endless warning signs of what they'll do. Thankfully for me, my industry (healthcare/pharmaceuticals) will only benefit from this Tory government, making me better off (which is so ironic that I actually voted Labour, yet the working class northerners seemed to vote Tory). Usually I'm sympathetic with people struggling and will offer to help if I can. After this though? Not a chance, I'm going to be as blunt as their fearless leader is and just say "good - you literally asked for this". I agree with a lot of that. Swinson was a Dam disaster and a portion of this is on her. I was prepared to vote Lib Dem at first because she seemed investable initially and she seemed to win votes (by election results & polling) and there seemed some momentum and then she announced their revoke policy and personally even as a remainer my British sense of fair play couldn’t stomach a revoke (although I understood their logic and it made sense) and it turns out a lot of other remainders felt the same. Then when she openly said that she wouldn’t support Corbyn she lost it completely. Andrew Neil did a great job of showing her up when he kept asking her “how are you going to get a second referendum when you won’t support the party that can make it happen?” And all she would reply was “Of course I’ll vote for a second referendum” conspicuous as an answer to a question he wasn’t asking. But there was some good news, or hope, of sorts in the election coverage. Jess Phillips spoke well, she was emotional and almost in tears but you could tell she cares a hell of a lot about the people she represents and their jobs and livelihoods post Brexit- she is the closest thing we have to a decent politician at the moment imo and if she runs for Labour leader I think she will unite the Labour voters and working class. She’s very relatable, way more so than Corbyn and one of the analysts on the show added that privately Boris is concerned more about her than anyone else in the Labour Party in terms of a successor who could make an electable opposition. Not hard to see why after how she came across last night. Michael Portillo made the case for Boris, freed from the shackles of the swivel eyed loons, actually proceeding with a much closer relationship with Europe, retaining a lot of their laws and ending up with a compromise Brexit-lite that everyone can find some value in that reflects the close nature of the 52% v 48% result. I really hope that’s true but I won’t be holding my breath. I too will not be affected by Brexit, possibly better off, but I can’t in good conscience support a course of direction that will result in job losses and will see the worst off in society even worse off. Lastly I understand how you feel about turning your back on people who voted for a party that doesn’t give a sh** about them and their kind. I can’t do that, I don’t have much myself but I’m going to start donating to food banks regularly from now on because it’s people like us who give a sh** and who need to lead by example where our government has failed/doesn’t care. Even more so after last night. If we all turn our backs and live life to the motto of “well I’m alright Jack!” then that’s just more Tory voters and social mobility, the causes of knife crime, poverty etc will just get worse. The one thing we’ve got that they haven’t is a soul, don’t let them take that off you too. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 13:09:36 GMT
I completely agree with everything you've said. I can't help but feel a bit of anger to Lib Dems, a lot of this is on them for me. There was the chance to take down the Tories, put in a temporary government with Corbyn as leader, hold a referendum and then a GE. But no, Swinson couldn't get off her high horse to allow JC to be a temporary PM for a few weeks, somehow she over estimated her power with her 12 seats. How did she think the party with over 200 seats should ever make way for Lib Dems? The list of issues the country has is unbelievable - the only potential plus side of this majority is that it may allow Boris to create a softer Brexit in the December 2020 talks, but let's see - I doubt it. I usually have no issue with Tories winning, that's democracy - but this time it feels especially stupid. We've had endless warning signs of what they'll do. Thankfully for me, my industry (healthcare/pharmaceuticals) will only benefit from this Tory government, making me better off (which is so ironic that I actually voted Labour, yet the working class northerners seemed to vote Tory). Usually I'm sympathetic with people struggling and will offer to help if I can. After this though? Not a chance, I'm going to be as blunt as their fearless leader is and just say "good - you literally asked for this". I agree with a lot of that. Swinson was a f**king disaster and a portion of this is on her. I was prepared to vote Lib Dem at first because she seemed investable initially and she seemed to win votes (by election results & polling) and there seemed some momentum and then she announced their revoke policy and personally even as a remainer my British sense of fair play couldn’t stomach a revoke (although I understood their logic and it made sense) and it turns out a lot of other remainders felt the same. Then when she openly said that she wouldn’t support Corbyn she lost it completely. Andrew Neil did a great job of showing her up when he kept asking her “how are you going to get a second referendum when you won’t support the party that can make it happen?” And all she would reply was “Of course I’ll vote for a second referendum” conspicuous as an answer to a question he wasn’t asking. But there was some good news, or hope, of sorts in the election coverage. Jess Phillips spoke well, she was emotional and almost in tears but you could tell she cares a hell of a lot about the people she represents and their jobs and livelihoods post Brexit- she is the closest thing we have to a decent politician at the moment imo and if she runs for Labour leader I think she will unite the Labour voters and working class. She’s very relatable, way more so than Corbyn and one of the analysts on the show added that privately Boris is concerned more about her than anyone else in the Labour Party in terms of a successor who could make an electable opposition. Not hard to see why after how she came across last night. Michael Portillo made the case for Boris, freed from the shackles of the swivel eyed loons, actually proceeding with a much closer relationship with Europe, retaining a lot of their laws and ending up with a compromise Brexit-lite that everyone can find some value in that reflects the close nature of the 52% v 48% result. I really hope that’s true but I won’t be holding my breath. I too will not be affected by Brexit, possibly better off, but I can’t in good conscience support a course of direction that will result in job losses and will see the worst off in society even worse off. Lastly I understand how you feel about turning your back on people who voted for a party that doesn’t give a sh** about them and their kind. I can’t do that, I don’t have much myself but I’m going to start donating to food banks regularly from now on because it’s people like us who give a sh** and who need to lead by example where our government has failed/doesn’t care. Even more so after last night. If we all turn our backs and live life to the motto of “well I’m alright Jack!” then that’s just more Tory voters and social mobility, the causes of knife crime, poverty etc will just get worse. The one thing we’ve got that they haven’t is a soul, don’t let them take that off you too. Jesus, generalising much. |
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Post by peterparker on Dec 13, 2019 13:12:34 GMT
I completely agree with everything you've said. I can't help but feel a bit of anger to Lib Dems, a lot of this is on them for me. There was the chance to take down the Tories, put in a temporary government with Corbyn as leader, hold a referendum and then a GE. But no, Swinson couldn't get off her high horse to allow JC to be a temporary PM for a few weeks, somehow she over estimated her power with her 12 seats. How did she think the party with over 200 seats should ever make way for Lib Dems? The list of issues the country has is unbelievable - the only potential plus side of this majority is that it may allow Boris to create a softer Brexit in the December 2020 talks, but let's see - I doubt it. I usually have no issue with Tories winning, that's democracy - but this time it feels especially stupid. We've had endless warning signs of what they'll do. Thankfully for me, my industry (healthcare/pharmaceuticals) will only benefit from this Tory government, making me better off (which is so ironic that I actually voted Labour, yet the working class northerners seemed to vote Tory). Usually I'm sympathetic with people struggling and will offer to help if I can. After this though? Not a chance, I'm going to be as blunt as their fearless leader is and just say "good - you literally asked for this". I agree with a lot of that. Swinson was a f**king disaster and a portion of this is on her. I was prepared to vote Lib Dem at first because she seemed investable initially and she seemed to win votes (by election results & polling) and there seemed some momentum and then she announced their revoke policy and personally even as a remainer my British sense of fair play couldn’t stomach a revoke (although I understood their logic and it made sense) and it turns out a lot of other remainders felt the same. Then when she openly said that she wouldn’t support Corbyn she lost it completely. Andrew Neil did a great job of showing her up when he kept asking her “how are you going to get a second referendum when you won’t support the party that can make it happen?” And all she would reply was “Of course I’ll vote for a second referendum” conspicuous as an answer to a question he wasn’t asking. But there was some good news, or hope, of sorts in the election coverage. Jess Phillips spoke well, she was emotional and almost in tears but you could tell she cares a hell of a lot about the people she represents and their jobs and livelihoods post Brexit- she is the closest thing we have to a decent politician at the moment imo and if she runs for Labour leader I think she will unite the Labour voters and working class. She’s very relatable, way more so than Corbyn and one of the analysts on the show added that privately Boris is concerned more about her than anyone else in the Labour Party in terms of a successor who could make an electable opposition. Not hard to see why after how she came across last night. Michael Portillo made the case for Boris, freed from the shackles of the swivel eyed loons, actually proceeding with a much closer relationship with Europe, retaining a lot of their laws and ending up with a compromise Brexit-lite that everyone can find some value in that reflects the close nature of the 52% v 48% result. I really hope that’s true but I won’t be holding my breath.I too will not be affected by Brexit, possibly better off, but I can’t in good conscience support a course of direction that will result in job losses and will see the worst off in society even worse off. Lastly I understand how you feel about turning your back on people who voted for a party that doesn’t give a sh** about them and their kind. I can’t do that, I don’t have much myself but I’m going to start donating to food banks regularly from now on because it’s people like us who give a sh** and who need to lead by example where our government has failed/doesn’t care. Even more so after last night. If we all turn our backs and live life to the motto of “well I’m alright Jack!” then that’s just more Tory voters and social mobility, the causes of knife crime, poverty etc will just get worse. The one thing we’ve got that they haven’t is a soul, don’t let them take that off you too. a few people have been saying this, which basically amounts to now he has a large majority, he can go back on some of what he has promised on BREXIT. Will ne interesting what the like of the hobbit Francois and Mogg make of that if we go for Brexit Lite
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 13:45:22 GMT
I’m hearing that a Conservative on the Today programme today has spoken of revoking the BBC’s license because of left wing bias. Does anyone know any more about this? In tandem with their threats towards channel 4 it’s concerning that their majority will give them the power to assault institutions they don’t like. They weren’t happy with the judiciary either following the proroguing fiasco.
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Post by Gassy on Dec 13, 2019 14:02:05 GMT
Well the Irish total produce will have to pay tariffs making their business more expensive. Sounds like a good reason to sell up to me  What Tariff's? There is a decent chance there will be tariffs on goods between the UK & EU from January 2021. But I'm more just joshing about on this one. Or am I? |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 13, 2019 14:09:34 GMT
I completely agree with everything you've said. I can't help but feel a bit of anger to Lib Dems, a lot of this is on them for me. There was the chance to take down the Tories, put in a temporary government with Corbyn as leader, hold a referendum and then a GE. But no, Swinson couldn't get off her high horse to allow JC to be a temporary PM for a few weeks, somehow she over estimated her power with her 12 seats. How did she think the party with over 200 seats should ever make way for Lib Dems? The list of issues the country has is unbelievable - the only potential plus side of this majority is that it may allow Boris to create a softer Brexit in the December 2020 talks, but let's see - I doubt it. I usually have no issue with Tories winning, that's democracy - but this time it feels especially stupid. We've had endless warning signs of what they'll do. Thankfully for me, my industry (healthcare/pharmaceuticals) will only benefit from this Tory government, making me better off (which is so ironic that I actually voted Labour, yet the working class northerners seemed to vote Tory). Usually I'm sympathetic with people struggling and will offer to help if I can. After this though? Not a chance, I'm going to be as blunt as their fearless leader is and just say "good - you literally asked for this". I agree with a lot of that. Swinson was a f**king disaster and a portion of this is on her. I was prepared to vote Lib Dem at first because she seemed investable initially and she seemed to win votes (by election results & polling) and there seemed some momentum and then she announced their revoke policy and personally even as a remainer my British sense of fair play couldn’t stomach a revoke (although I understood their logic and it made sense) and it turns out a lot of other remainders felt the same. Then when she openly said that she wouldn’t support Corbyn she lost it completely. Andrew Neil did a great job of showing her up when he kept asking her “how are you going to get a second referendum when you won’t support the party that can make it happen?” And all she would reply was “Of course I’ll vote for a second referendum” conspicuous as an answer to a question he wasn’t asking. But there was some good news, or hope, of sorts in the election coverage. Jess Phillips spoke well, she was emotional and almost in tears but you could tell she cares a hell of a lot about the people she represents and their jobs and livelihoods post Brexit- she is the closest thing we have to a decent politician at the moment imo and if she runs for Labour leader I think she will unite the Labour voters and working class. She’s very relatable, way more so than Corbyn and one of the analysts on the show added that privately Boris is concerned more about her than anyone else in the Labour Party in terms of a successor who could make an electable opposition. Not hard to see why after how she came across last night. Michael Portillo made the case for Boris, freed from the shackles of the swivel eyed loons, actually proceeding with a much closer relationship with Europe, retaining a lot of their laws and ending up with a compromise Brexit-lite that everyone can find some value in that reflects the close nature of the 52% v 48% result. I really hope that’s true but I won’t be holding my breath. I too will not be affected by Brexit, possibly better off, but I can’t in good conscience support a course of direction that will result in job losses and will see the worst off in society even worse off. Lastly I understand how you feel about turning your back on people who voted for a party that doesn’t give a sh** about them and their kind. I can’t do that, I don’t have much myself but I’m going to start donating to food banks regularly from now on because it’s people like us who give a sh** and who need to lead by example where our government has failed/doesn’t care. Even more so after last night. If we all turn our backs and live life to the motto of “well I’m alright Jack!” then that’s just more Tory voters and social mobility, the causes of knife crime, poverty etc will just get worse. The one thing we’ve got that they haven’t is a soul, don’t let them take that off you too. What an excellent post, it's a shame I've only discovered this thread today. I can't say I know enough of the future of Labour, I'll have to research it. I'm personally going to sign up to be a Labour member, after this manifesto & just everything they've stood for - I find myself really agreeing with their principles for people and the future of our country. Maybe I'm just saying my last line of 'good - you asked for it' because I'm a bit hurting for our country right now. Maybe not. I don't know, usually I'm not so bothered by an election result, but this is just unbelievable. Never so much have I failed to understand the mind of the electorate - and it makes you question, is it me? Or is it them? There was a video I saw recently on BBC from a lady saying "We're now living in shelters with my husband and 2 children. We're living off food banks are struggling to survive day by day. But we're voting Boris because he represents everything I am" - Like wtf? Speechless doesn't even begin to cover my reaction |
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Post by newmarketgas on Dec 13, 2019 14:09:40 GMT
I agree with a lot of that. Swinson was a f**king disaster and a portion of this is on her. I was prepared to vote Lib Dem at first because she seemed investable initially and she seemed to win votes (by election results & polling) and there seemed some momentum and then she announced their revoke policy and personally even as a remainer my British sense of fair play couldn’t stomach a revoke (although I understood their logic and it made sense) and it turns out a lot of other remainders felt the same. Then when she openly said that she wouldn’t support Corbyn she lost it completely. Andrew Neil did a great job of showing her up when he kept asking her “how are you going to get a second referendum when you won’t support the party that can make it happen?” And all she would reply was “Of course I’ll vote for a second referendum” conspicuous as an answer to a question he wasn’t asking. But there was some good news, or hope, of sorts in the election coverage. Jess Phillips spoke well, she was emotional and almost in tears but you could tell she cares a hell of a lot about the people she represents and their jobs and livelihoods post Brexit- she is the closest thing we have to a decent politician at the moment imo and if she runs for Labour leader I think she will unite the Labour voters and working class. She’s very relatable, way more so than Corbyn and one of the analysts on the show added that privately Boris is concerned more about her than anyone else in the Labour Party in terms of a successor who could make an electable opposition. Not hard to see why after how she came across last night. Michael Portillo made the case for Boris, freed from the shackles of the swivel eyed loons, actually proceeding with a much closer relationship with Europe, retaining a lot of their laws and ending up with a compromise Brexit-lite that everyone can find some value in that reflects the close nature of the 52% v 48% result. I really hope that’s true but I won’t be holding my breath.I too will not be affected by Brexit, possibly better off, but I can’t in good conscience support a course of direction that will result in job losses and will see the worst off in society even worse off. Lastly I understand how you feel about turning your back on people who voted for a party that doesn’t give a sh** about them and their kind. I can’t do that, I don’t have much myself but I’m going to start donating to food banks regularly from now on because it’s people like us who give a sh** and who need to lead by example where our government has failed/doesn’t care. Even more so after last night. If we all turn our backs and live life to the motto of “well I’m alright Jack!” then that’s just more Tory voters and social mobility, the causes of knife crime, poverty etc will just get worse. The one thing we’ve got that they haven’t is a soul, don’t let them take that off you too. a few people have been saying this, which basically amounts to now he has a large majority, he can go back on some of what he has promised on BREXIT. Will ne interesting what the like of the hobbit Francois and Mogg make of that if we go for Brexit Lite
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 13, 2019 14:14:23 GMT
I’m hearing that a Conservative on the Today programme today has spoken of revoking the BBC’s license because of left wing bias. Does anyone know any more about this? In tandem with their threats towards channel 4 it’s concerning that their majority will give them the power to assault institutions they don’t like. They weren’t happy with the judiciary either following the proroguing fiasco. Charles Moore who is in would say on the right of the Tory Party mentioned it on Radio 4 this morning,the view is that the licence fee is akin to a poll tax and the dear old Beeb should enter the market like any other media Organisation. Also he clearly said that the BBC had displayed a left wing bias,whether it has or not I don't know. I'm relaxed about it tbh as it could work the other way and free the BBC from any deference to the Government of the day and increase their Independence so I don't believe it's anything to fear. |
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Post by newmarketgas on Dec 13, 2019 14:14:26 GMT
I’m hearing that a Conservative on the Today programme today has spoken of revoking the BBC’s license because of left wing bias. Does anyone know any more about this? In tandem with their threats towards channel 4 it’s concerning that their majority will give them the power to assault institutions they don’t like. They weren’t happy with the judiciary either following the proroguing fiasco. The BBC should be pay for view, why should everyone have to pay for the BBC to live it up on a tax paid by some of the poorest people in the Country ? To be honest would you miss the BBC and the sh**e it puts out ? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 14:17:25 GMT
Thank F**K for that  You were never in danger of having to pack your suitcase. You could help Corbyn and Swinson with theirs though? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 14:25:13 GMT
I’m hearing that a Conservative on the Today programme today has spoken of revoking the BBC’s license because of left wing bias. Does anyone know any more about this? In tandem with their threats towards channel 4 it’s concerning that their majority will give them the power to assault institutions they don’t like. They weren’t happy with the judiciary either following the proroguing fiasco. Let's be fair, the model for funding the BBC is outdated. The world is moving on with streaming and on-demand stuff. The BBC is another dinosaur that needs looking at. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 14:27:40 GMT
Thank F**K for that You were never in danger of having to pack your suitcase. You could help Corbyn and Swinson with theirs though? Can I help with my size 10's? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 14:36:58 GMT
I’m hearing that a Conservative on the Today programme today has spoken of revoking the BBC’s license because of left wing bias. Does anyone know any more about this? In tandem with their threats towards channel 4 it’s concerning that their majority will give them the power to assault institutions they don’t like. They weren’t happy with the judiciary either following the proroguing fiasco. The BBC should be pay for view, why should everyone have to pay for the BBC to live it up on a tax paid by some of the poorest people in the Country ? To be honest would you miss the BBC and the sh**e it puts out ? Maybe I’m in a minority but I quite like it, although it probably has to modernise to compete with steaming services etc. I was more concerned that a Tory majority would see us creeping towards state interference in broadcasting, which, let’s be honest here, would be as Tory a thing to do as nationalising private industry would be a Labour thing to do. That’s why I asked for more information as that was what the source I read was insinuating but it sounds like, according to trevorgas, it wasn’t their license to operate itself but the license fee that was being discussed and as you can see by omitting the word “fee” it makes it sound like a totally different and more worrying issue (especially when out with the threats towards channel 4). So I’m more reassured now that what I had read was scaremongering. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 14:45:47 GMT
The BBC should be pay for view, why should everyone have to pay for the BBC to live it up on a tax paid by some of the poorest people in the Country ? To be honest would you miss the BBC and the sh**e it puts out ? Maybe I’m in a minority but I quite like it, although it probably has to modernise to compete with steaming services etc. I was more concerned that a Tory majority would see us creeping towards state interference in broadcasting, which, let’s be honest here, would be as Tory a thing to do as nationalising private industry would be a Labour thing to do. That’s why I asked for more information as that was what the source I read was insinuating but it sounds like, according to trevorgas, it wasn’t their license to operate itself but the license fee that was being discussed and as you can see by omitting the word “fee” it makes it sound like a totally different and more worrying issue (especially when out with the threats towards channel 4). So I’m more reassured now that what I had read was scaremongering. Let's be honest, it's not a 'fee' but a tax. You can face a criminal prosecution for failure to pay the 'fee'. Is the BBC biased? Just look at the guests on Question Time, every week. It's usually 4-1 remain v leave, or on the odd occasion 3-2 remain v leave. I don't think I've ever seen more leave than remain, so QT has never shown a balanced programme that fitted with the public's decision over Brexit. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 14:47:05 GMT
All joking apart, I expect the UK`s Jewish population, will be breathing a bit easier this morning. But the islamic, nor any one of colour won't be. People of colour or people of talent? Easy mistake to make - they sound very similar after all !!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 14:50:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 14:52:11 GMT
Maybe I’m in a minority but I quite like it, although it probably has to modernise to compete with steaming services etc. I was more concerned that a Tory majority would see us creeping towards state interference in broadcasting, which, let’s be honest here, would be as Tory a thing to do as nationalising private industry would be a Labour thing to do. That’s why I asked for more information as that was what the source I read was insinuating but it sounds like, according to trevorgas, it wasn’t their license to operate itself but the license fee that was being discussed and as you can see by omitting the word “fee” it makes it sound like a totally different and more worrying issue (especially when out with the threats towards channel 4). So I’m more reassured now that what I had read was scaremongering. Let's be honest, it's not a 'fee' but a tax. You can face a criminal prosecution for failure to pay the 'fee'. Is the BBC biased? Just look at the guests on Question Time, every week. It's usually 4-1 remain v leave, or on the odd occasion 3-2 remain v leave. I don't think I've ever seen more leave than remain, so QT has never shown a balanced programme that fitted with the public's decision over Brexit. It’s all about perceptions I guess, I watch it pretty religiously and to me it depends on where it is held as to which views seem to come across the loudest. Mostly it’s equal but some places have been more vocally leave while London is more skewed to remain reflecting the national divide (although the Beeb stress that each audience is a 52/48 split as per the referendum). Overall though I don’t think Laura K’s behaviour can be classed as particularly neutral and there was a BBC reporter who, when talking about the polling said about Boris getting a win he “so deserves”, a Freudian slip on her part I believe. So imo for every piece of left wing evidence you can probably find enough going the other way and let.’s be fair it’s not like Andrew Neil was told to go easy on the likes of Corbyn and Swinson and the coverage last night was damning of Labour. |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 13, 2019 14:59:22 GMT
But the islamic, nor any one of colour won't be. People of colour or people of talent? Easy mistake to make - they sound very similar after all !!!! Lol was the C4? What a cock up that was |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 15:04:04 GMT
People of colour or people of talent? Easy mistake to make - they sound very similar after all !!!! Lol was the C4? What a cock up that was The problem with the Channel 4 incident was that it was no mistake. Watch the video and there is no way you can think he said "colour". The edit had to be deliberate, and for a short while it worked. Just look at the reaction on here ! Don't forget, that Channel 4 is largely funded by taxpayers money. Remember Jon Snow and his "feck the Tories" comment. The head of Channel 4 news described Johnson as a "liar". It's time the news agencies went back to reporting the news and stop trying to make it ! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 15:07:29 GMT
Let's be honest, it's not a 'fee' but a tax. You can face a criminal prosecution for failure to pay the 'fee'. Is the BBC biased? Just look at the guests on Question Time, every week. It's usually 4-1 remain v leave, or on the odd occasion 3-2 remain v leave. I don't think I've ever seen more leave than remain, so QT has never shown a balanced programme that fitted with the public's decision over Brexit. It’s all about perceptions I guess, I watch it pretty religiously and to me it depends on where it is held as to which views seem to come across the loudest. Mostly it’s equal but some places have been more vocally leave while London is more skewed to remain reflecting the national divide (although the Beeb stress that each audience is a 52/48 split as per the referendum). Overall though I don’t think Laura K’s behaviour can be classed as particularly neutral and there was a BBC reporter who, when talking about the polling said about Boris getting a win he “so deserves”, a Freudian slip on her part I believe. So imo for every piece of left wing evidence you can probably find enough going the other way and let.’s be fair it’s not like Andrew Neil was told to go easy on the likes of Corbyn and Swinson and the coverage last night was damning of Labour. It's not the audience I'm talking about, but the panel. Remainers always outnumber leavers. |
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