General Election 2019 thread

Dec 14, 2019 13:32:58 GMT @gas365 said:

I agree with that- people have rejected Corbyn on a number of factors: who he is, his policies, his Brexit stance.

But I take issue that they need to throw the baby out with the bath water. I think their morals should be strong enough that they don’t go full scale new labour which wasn’t traditional. I would hope they try less to be all things to all people, get an investable and relatable leader (I agree that Corbyn’s wealth makes him a bit champagne socialist) and target certain areas of the economy they think they can do well (housing, the NHS, social mobility, workers rights) and focus on that. If that doesn’t win them votes in their traditional heartlands then they need to try harder, not sell themselves out and stand for something completely different because if they do that they might as well bin the name Labour and start up as a new party.

And as I said before, who knows what the next 5 years will bring. Market conditions may well change post Brexit and leave people desperate for change.

And this is the point. None of us know what the next 5 years will bring. Those that voted Tory sent a clear message to the left wing, anti democratic, stop Brexit, challenge everything in the Courts, we've got the speaker of the House of Commons in our back pocket, dither and delay brigade, that they weren't prepared to stand for it. How much has the left wing cost this Country in money terms through their shenanigans? Remember, this wasn't a narrow victory with a majority of a few seats. This was a royal kicking. The nation has spoken loud and clear. The left wingers are still trying to peddle Boris as the anti Christ and the bringer of plagues, pestilence, famine and economic ruin. Yet nothing they have previously forecast as negative has actually happened yet. So why keep on with it? Pirate has recently posted about how medicine prices will increase but at the bottom of his post it mentions "campaigners". Clue in the word really. Campaigners make things read exactly how they want it to and it's rarely the truth.

In contrast, those that are in favour of Brexit have had their stance hardened by the threats from left wingers, the demonstrations from crowds that have been put together not really understanding what they are protesting about, the people on this forum who have called us names and made out that we are all thick and racist. What the left wing failed to understand is that just because you didn't get massive counter protest on the scale of your own it didn't actually mean that we had given up. We just kept our powder dry and waited for Boris to play his master stroke and get his election wish.

Now you lot have only got yourselves to blame. You could have voted Teresa May's or Boris' withdrawal agreement through and known what you are getting. I hope Boris doesn't renege on his deal but it is possible that he could just say f**k it to you all, go hard Brexit, get it through Parliament with his majority and leave without a deal. And if he does that it will be all down to the left. I saw Gina Miller's face on BBC1 in the early hours of Friday when it was clear that Boris was going to win. It was priceless. I wonder how many millions of pounds she will now try to waste on her next anti Brexit venture. What will it be this time - "the public didn't know what they were voting for and we demand another election"?

Boris actually played a blinder. He took some defeats on the chin, let the left wing clearly demonstrate their obstructive, anti democratic, anti Brexit stance, left it long enough for that message to sink in across the Country and then went for an election knowing that the public would see through them and not stand for it. You see, having a million people cause carnage through London doesn't mean the whole Country have the same view. The silent majority has prevailed.

So rather than the left wing continually peddling their impending apocalyptic tripe why not take a step back, humbly accept defeat, and wait and see what Boris can do with Brexit. If he f**ks it all up then he will be gone at the next election but trying to tie his hands in future negotiations with the EU will only make the left look even more stupid.

Dec 14, 2019 13:32:58 GMT @gas365 said:

I agree with that- people have rejected Corbyn on a number of factors: who he is, his policies, his Brexit stance.

But I take issue that they need to throw the baby out with the bath water. I think their morals should be strong enough that they don’t go full scale new labour which wasn’t traditional. I would hope they try less to be all things to all people, get an investable and relatable leader (I agree that Corbyn’s wealth makes him a bit champagne socialist) and target certain areas of the economy they think they can do well (housing, the NHS, social mobility, workers rights) and focus on that. If that doesn’t win them votes in their traditional heartlands then they need to try harder, not sell themselves out and stand for something completely different because if they do that they might as well bin the name Labour and start up as a new party.

And as I said before, who knows what the next 5 years will bring. Market conditions may well change post Brexit and leave people desperate for change.

And this is the point. None of us know what the next 5 years will bring. Those that voted Tory sent a clear message to the left wing, anti democratic, stop Brexit, challenge everything in the Courts, we've got the speaker of the House of Commons in our back pocket, dither and delay brigade, that they weren't prepared to stand for it. How much has the left wing cost this Country in money terms through their shenanigans? Remember, this wasn't a narrow victory with a majority of a few seats. This was a royal kicking. The nation has spoken loud and clear. The left wingers are still trying to peddle Boris as the anti Christ and the bringer of plagues, pestilence, famine and economic ruin. Yet nothing they have previously forecast as negative has actually happened yet. So why keep on with it? Pirate has recently posted about how medicine prices will increase but at the bottom of his post it mentions "campaigners". Clue in the word really. Campaigners make things read exactly how they want it to and it's rarely the truth.

In contrast, those that are in favour of Brexit have had their stance hardened by the threats from left wingers, the demonstrations from crowds that have been put together not really understanding what they are protesting about, the people on this forum who have called us names and made out that we are all thick and racist. What the left wing failed to understand is that just because you didn't get massive counter protest on the scale of your own it didn't actually mean that we had given up. We just kept our powder dry and waited for Boris to play his master stroke and get his election wish.

Now you lot have only got yourselves to blame. You could have voted Teresa May's or Boris' withdrawal agreement through and known what you are getting. I hope Boris doesn't renege on his deal but it is possible that he could just say f**k it to you all, go hard Brexit, get it through Parliament with his majority and leave without a deal. And if he does that it will be all down to the left. I saw Gina Miller's face on BBC1 in the early hours of Friday when it was clear that Boris was going to win. It was priceless. I wonder how many millions of pounds she will now try to waste on her next anti Brexit venture. What will it be this time - "the public didn't know what they were voting for and we demand another election"?

Boris actually played a blinder. He took some defeats on the chin, let the left wing clearly demonstrate their obstructive, anti democratic, anti Brexit stance, left it long enough for that message to sink in across the Country and then went for an election knowing that the public would see through them and not stand for it. You see, having a million people cause carnage through London doesn't mean the whole Country have the same view. The silent majority has prevailed.

So rather than the left wing continually peddling their impending apocalyptic tripe why not take a step back, humbly accept defeat, and wait and see what Boris can do with Brexit. If he f**ks it all up then he will be gone at the next election but trying to tie his hands in future negotiations with the EU will only make the left look even more stupid.