General Election 2019 thread

Please can we have another couple of days of the deliberate baiting, and then move on?

For God's sake man don't you understand! For the last time I will try to get it through. It's not about winning, losing or even the election at all, got that? It's about your manner of talking down to people, Christ now I'm doing it😊 it's your abrasive manner that comes across from you all the time whether we talk about Brexit, Election or the weather it will be the same. Please get off that high horse. Well I tried!

To be fair I think we are all guilty of that. If we take a step back this thread and the Brexit one is just endless tit for tat and whataboutery. Egregious behaviour on side is excused by an attack on a far less egregious example of behaviour by the opposition. We are all very invested in our opinions to the point where we would rather be right and see everything go tits up than be wrong have everything be a success.

And I really fear for how our society moves forward from this because it takes a class and dignity that neither side has so far been able to display for the past three years. It should be over now but I notice the BBC publishing a guide on how to avoid politics at Christmas!

We know Brexit will happen now- fair enough. But I get the impression this is only the beginning and leavers will revel in their victory and will still probably use language like “traitors”, “leave means leave” and “what about democracy?” For years to come and remainers will be itching to point to anything out of whack and use it as a portent of the beginning of the end times.

The great fraud is the idea that we can get Brexit done and move on. But whilst we can get the politics sorted the social effects will endure. It will never be truly “done”.

Yes, that’s my thoughts too and I reject the idea that it’s condescending to think that people are tilting at windmills having been seduced by a dishonest campaign that at times has been proven to have lied. We have a lot of sovereignty and we have control of our borders without needing to leave the EU for a start. A lot of the issues that are put at the EU’s door is simply inaction by our own government.

If holding that belief is condescending then so be it.

The one obvious common denominator hasn’t been brought in to line and shows no sign of letting up so unfortunately the deliberate baiting will probably continue. Shame really as both this and the brexit thread have been quite interesting and had some fair and reasoned debate from both sides.

It only takes one Stuart and we all know who it is. I hope you're not telling us to put up with rude behaviour because we wont.
It's up to him. Trying to divert attention to the election results or play the victim wont help either.

Not trying to defect, just bored reading it over and over again. I've seen worse on here though and been on the receiving end too.

As for your last bit, I guess it wrote better than it read.

Really Stuart? I expected better from you. I know you are a Remainer but we have spoken about this very issue face to face and I got the impression you fully understood that Oldie often oversteps the mark. I recall what we discussed even if you don't. What would likely help the situation is if you were to put the same directive to Oldie, I.e. he needs to back off and change his attitude or he will get stick for pages to come. Why just ask the Leavers to back down when they have borne the brunt of his vileness?

I remember our conversation too, you asked not to discuss politics so even when you briefly did, I respected your request and we moved the conversation on. We spoke about Rovers, family and someone nearby who you thought was me.

I do think Oldie sometimes overstep things and whilst we agree on a lot of things particularly economics and politics, we do disagree on others and have had a few exchanges. It isn't a remainer defending another, Oldie is, I'm sure, big enough and ugly enough to do that himself.

If it really helps, yes I think all of us should step back and be concious of what we write, including relating to some of Oldie's posts. I've posted that several times over the years, just not recently which may give the impression I was only asking leavers, which I wasn't.

The bit about seeing worse related to my own experience.

At the end of the day this is words written on an internet forum so all in all, probably best to leave this now and move on.

Give me a shout if you want to buy me a tea.☕

Merry Christmas.