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Post by scoobydoogas on Dec 18, 2019 7:56:52 GMT
If that snippet from Pirate is from a credible source then might there be some ramifications? It seems a strange thing for one Country to admit meddling in another Country's elections. Also, how much of a Jewish vote is there in the Labour party and would it really have been so high as to have given Boris such a majority all on it's own? Surely not as there were other factors in play as well. It's a genuine question as I have no idea what the numbers are.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 18, 2019 8:10:42 GMT
If that snippet from Pirate is from a credible source then might there be some ramifications? It seems a strange thing for one Country to admit meddling in another Country's elections. Also, how much of a Jewish vote is there in the Labour party and would it really have been so high as to have given Boris such a majority all on it's own? Surely not as there were other factors in play as well. It's a genuine question as I have no idea what the numbers are. I think the ramifications are quite clear. Only Jeremy Corbyn can be blamed for it and it's those shameful lefties fault for any election interference and and moreover any policy decisions for the next 5 years. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 8:27:35 GMT
If that snippet from Pirate is from a credible source then might there be some ramifications? It seems a strange thing for one Country to admit meddling in another Country's elections. Also, how much of a Jewish vote is there in the Labour party and would it really have been so high as to have given Boris such a majority all on it's own? Surely not as there were other factors in play as well. It's a genuine question as I have no idea what the numbers are. The total number of Jewish voters is rather quite small. I think the Labour Party had a certain section of the public in mind, who vote for them in far larger numbers, when it decided to keep quiet about it's quite blatant anti-semitism. It was also the duty of every right-minded country in the world to oppose this Labour Party over that issue alone. Three things lost Labour the election. Their manifesto, their Leadership at all levels and their stance on Brexit. Of course, their real problem with anti-semitism didn't help either. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 8:31:35 GMT
If that snippet from Pirate is from a credible source then might there be some ramifications? It seems a strange thing for one Country to admit meddling in another Country's elections. Also, how much of a Jewish vote is there in the Labour party and would it really have been so high as to have given Boris such a majority all on it's own? Surely not as there were other factors in play as well. It's a genuine question as I have no idea what the numbers are. I think the ramifications are quite clear. Only Jeremy Corbyn can be blamed for it and it's those shameful lefties fault for any election interference and and moreover any policy decisions for the next 5 years. To be fair the Tories didn't win the election, rather Labour threw it away. So it could be said that by having a sh1t leadership team, a sh1t manifesto, a sh1t stance on Brexit and a clear anti-semitism problem that Labour did indeed hugely influence the election result ! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 8:51:37 GMT
I think the ramifications are quite clear. Only Jeremy Corbyn can be blamed for it and it's those shameful lefties fault for any election interference and and moreover any policy decisions for the next 5 years. To be fair the Tories didn't win the election, rather Labour threw it away. So it could be said that by having a sh1t leadership team, a sh1t manifesto, a sh1t stance on Brexit and a clear anti-semitism problem that Labour did indeed hugely influence the election result ! Actually Nobby, you are right. Yes, I said that. Listening to Yvette Cooper and Kier Starmer this morning on R4, what they said indicates one hell of a fight for the future direction of the party. But Blair was right, if they get this wrong, Centre Left Progressives will go elsewhere. Leaving the screaming banshee of the left to what remains of the Labour Party and the screaming banshee of the right (as so wonderfully illustrated on this mini forum) to a very large right wing Tory Party. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 10:33:05 GMT
If that snippet from Pirate is from a credible source then might there be some ramifications? It seems a strange thing for one Country to admit meddling in another Country's elections. Also, how much of a Jewish vote is there in the Labour party and would it really have been so high as to have given Boris such a majority all on it's own? Surely not as there were other factors in play as well. It's a genuine question as I have no idea what the numbers are. I think the ramifications are quite clear. Only Jeremy Corbyn can be blamed for it and it's those shameful lefties fault for any election interference and and moreover any policy decisions for the next 5 years. His time as leader may be almost over but his legacy will live on as Tories everywhere warn their kids that if they misbehave (such as giving money to the homeless) then Corbyn will crawl out from under their bed to get them in their sleep. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 18, 2019 10:42:10 GMT
I think the ramifications are quite clear. Only Jeremy Corbyn can be blamed for it and it's those shameful lefties fault for any election interference and and moreover any policy decisions for the next 5 years. His time as leader may be almost over but his legacy will live on as Tories everywhere warn their kids that if they misbehave (such as giving money to the homeless) then Corbyn will crawl out from under their bed to get them in their sleep. And, if he does, it will be the children's fault for being loony lefty communists who created the Tulpa Corbyn in the first place. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 10:42:40 GMT
I think the ramifications are quite clear. Only Jeremy Corbyn can be blamed for it and it's those shameful lefties fault for any election interference and and moreover any policy decisions for the next 5 years. His time as leader may be almost over but his legacy will live on as Tories everywhere warn their kids that if they misbehave (such as giving money to the homeless) then Corbyn will crawl out from under their bed to get them in their sleep. His time should be over now. Anyone will an ounce of self respect would have resigned the very next morning after the election. Today, he has to stand up in PMQ's. How embarrassing is that for Labour? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 10:51:50 GMT
His time as leader may be almost over but his legacy will live on as Tories everywhere warn their kids that if they misbehave (such as giving money to the homeless) then Corbyn will crawl out from under their bed to get them in their sleep. And, if he does, it will be the children's fault for being loony lefty communists who created the Tulpa Corbyn in the first place. Indeed. I laughed out loud at the suggestion that if Johnson makes a pigs ear of this it's our fault for forcing them to vote for him. Jesus Christ |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 10:52:56 GMT
His time as leader may be almost over but his legacy will live on as Tories everywhere warn their kids that if they misbehave (such as giving money to the homeless) then Corbyn will crawl out from under their bed to get them in their sleep. His time should be over now. Anyone will an ounce of self respect would have resigned the very next morning after the election. Today, he has to stand up in PMQ's. How embarrassing is that for Labour? The iron grip of the far left. The same as the iron grip of the far right. |
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Post by scoobydoogas on Dec 18, 2019 10:53:28 GMT
I think the ramifications are quite clear. Only Jeremy Corbyn can be blamed for it and it's those shameful lefties fault for any election interference and and moreover any policy decisions for the next 5 years. His time as leader may be almost over but his legacy will live on as Tories everywhere warn their kids that if they misbehave (such as giving money to the homeless) then Corbyn will crawl out from under their bed to get them in their sleep. Strange example. Are you suggesting Tories and Tory voters don't donate to homeless people or any other charitable causes for that matter? I'm a staunch Tory and I quite happily put money in a homeless person's pot, or a buskers cap if the music is to my liking. I also donate to a number of charities such as CLIC and the lifeboats. So, I don't understand your point.
As for Corbyn I do like your suggestion that he is just the grim reaper / sandman / bogeyman / in human skin. At this time of the year maybe Krampus is a better comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 11:20:42 GMT
His time as leader may be almost over but his legacy will live on as Tories everywhere warn their kids that if they misbehave (such as giving money to the homeless) then Corbyn will crawl out from under their bed to get them in their sleep. His time should be over now. Anyone will an ounce of self respect would have resigned the very next morning after the election. Today, he has to stand up in PMQ's. How embarrassing is that for Labour? It’s not a good look, but I agree with the idea of him staying on for continuity...the only issue is that he could still be leader of the opposition for some time given the internal combustion going on inside the party. I’ll say this though, I have some sympathy for the guy with the way he has been set upon. It was nasty in the extreme and it does the image of the right wing no favours as I don’t think he needed to be demonised and smeared anywhere near as much as he was in order for the Tories to win a majority. His policies seemed to do that well enough on their own (although maybe the size of the majority was a result of that). He must have come away from that thinking “Do I really need that in my life?”. It was an election campaign full of every trick in the book and It set an absolute low for “gentlemanly conduct”. God knows what we are going to see in future elections. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 11:22:06 GMT
His time as leader may be almost over but his legacy will live on as Tories everywhere warn their kids that if they misbehave (such as giving money to the homeless) then Corbyn will crawl out from under their bed to get them in their sleep. Strange example. Are you suggesting Tories and Tory voters don't donate to homeless people or any other charitable causes for that matter? I'm a staunch Tory and I quite happily put money in a homeless person's pot, or a buskers cap if the music is to my liking. I also donate to a number of charities such as CLIC and the lifeboats. So, I don't understand your point.
As for Corbyn I do like your suggestion that he is just the grim reaper / sandman / bogeyman / in human skin. At this time of the year maybe Krampus is a better comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 11:27:29 GMT
His time should be over now. Anyone will an ounce of self respect would have resigned the very next morning after the election. Today, he has to stand up in PMQ's. How embarrassing is that for Labour? It’s not a good look, but I agree with the idea of him staying on for continuity...the only issue is that he could still be leader of the opposition for some time given the internal combustion going on inside the party. I’ll say this though, I have some sympathy for the guy with the way he has been set upon. It was nasty in the extreme and it does the image of the right wing no favours as I don’t think he needed to be demonised and smeared anywhere near as much as he was in order for the Tories to win a majority. His policies seemed to do that well enough on their own (although maybe the size of the majority was a result of that). He must have come away from that thinking “Do I really need that in my life?”. It was an election campaign full of every trick in the book and It set an absolute low for “gentlemanly conduct”. God knows what we are going to see in future elections. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever. He is as thick as a whale omelette and his actions for over 30 years show that he is a terrorist sympathiser and no friend of this country. The anti-semitic views of himself and the party he leads need condemning from every quarter. What were these 'dirty tricks' used against him? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 11:34:25 GMT
It’s not a good look, but I agree with the idea of him staying on for continuity...the only issue is that he could still be leader of the opposition for some time given the internal combustion going on inside the party. I’ll say this though, I have some sympathy for the guy with the way he has been set upon. It was nasty in the extreme and it does the image of the right wing no favours as I don’t think he needed to be demonised and smeared anywhere near as much as he was in order for the Tories to win a majority. His policies seemed to do that well enough on their own (although maybe the size of the majority was a result of that). He must have come away from that thinking “Do I really need that in my life?”. It was an election campaign full of every trick in the book and It set an absolute low for “gentlemanly conduct”. God knows what we are going to see in future elections. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever. He is as thick as a whale omelette and his actions for over 30 years show that he is a terrorist sympathiser and no friend of this country. The anti-semitic views of himself and the party he leads need condemning from every quarter. What were these 'dirty tricks' used against him? I wish those who object to Corbyn had held Thatcher to a higher standard when she was out on the water with her best mate Pinochet and branding Mandela a terrorist.... As for dirty tricks the “would you trust this man with your kids” stuff was literally toilet behaviour. Where’s the class gone from politics? If our MPs can’t act like role models then who can? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 11:43:02 GMT
I have no sympathy for him whatsoever. He is as thick as a whale omelette and his actions for over 30 years show that he is a terrorist sympathiser and no friend of this country. The anti-semitic views of himself and the party he leads need condemning from every quarter. What were these 'dirty tricks' used against him? I wish those who object to Corbyn had held Thatcher to a higher standard when she was out on the water with her best mate Pinochet and branding Mandela a terrorist.... False news I'm afraid. Margaret Thatcher did an awful lot to get Mandela released from prison. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 11:43:35 GMT
I have no sympathy for him whatsoever. He is as thick as a whale omelette and his actions for over 30 years show that he is a terrorist sympathiser and no friend of this country. The anti-semitic views of himself and the party he leads need condemning from every quarter. What were these 'dirty tricks' used against him? I wish those who object to Corbyn had held Thatcher to a higher standard when she was out on the water with her best mate Pinochet and branding Mandela a terrorist.... This. I however have no sympathy for Corbyn. He set himself up as leader and did not lead. He allowed the right wing press to play him by A) Not publicly putting down Anti Semitism in his party immediately B) Not disassociating himself from remarks about Hamas, by clarification as a minimum C) Not taking a position on Brexit, either way. The bottom line is he is not a leader and he surrounded himself with middle class school boys who formulated policy and tactics. This does not make Johnson right, far from it. He has surrounded himself with populist alt right neo cons like Cummings. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 11:44:33 GMT
I wish those who object to Corbyn had held Thatcher to a higher standard when she was out on the water with her best mate Pinochet and branding Mandela a terrorist.... False news I'm afraid. Margaret Thatcher did an awful lot to get Mandela released from prison. And befriended a murdering fascist in Pinochet |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 11:57:57 GMT
I wish those who object to Corbyn had held Thatcher to a higher standard when she was out on the water with her best mate Pinochet and branding Mandela a terrorist.... False news I'm afraid. Margaret Thatcher did an awful lot to get Mandela released from prison. What about the Pinochet stuff? Because it’s Thatcher that makes it alright? How come the Tories aren’t as moralistic about her as they are with Corbyn? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 12:08:03 GMT
I wish those who object to Corbyn had held Thatcher to a higher standard when she was out on the water with her best mate Pinochet and branding Mandela a terrorist.... This. I however have no sympathy for Corbyn. He set himself up as leader and did not lead. He allowed the right wing press to play him by A) Not publicly putting down Anti Semitism in his party immediately B) Not disassociating himself from remarks about Hamas, by clarification as a minimum C) Not taking a position on Brexit, either way. The bottom line is he is not a leader and he surrounded himself with middle class school boys who formulated policy and tactics. This does not make Johnson right, far from it. He has surrounded himself with populist alt right neo cons like Cummings. Yes, there are some fair points there that weren’t addressed. I still don’t think he deserved the level that he got though and I would say that about anyone. For me, an election should be a gentlemanly business where the policies speak for themselves and leaders challenge each other in intellectual debate but with the advent of social media and advertising on steroids it’s being brought down to the level of an egg and spoon race where it’s win at all costs and tripping your opponent or barging into them is considered fair game. |
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