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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 11:53:40 GMT
What makes me smile is how, despite claims made against me for being rude and arrogant, Nobby and William resort to invoking my personal life either as justification for their views, or attempts at rather pathetic 5th form humour. The reason I have occasionally in the past invoked your personal life, is because of the never ending dichotomy of what you say, and what you do. Contrary to the assertion that you " wont bore people with circumstances I found myself under back in 1975", it`s a bit late for that; you`ve already told us. It was for pecuniary gain. You converted to a faith that has the most anti gay views possible. Then you criticise JRM for holding views that aren`t in the same ballpark as your adopted brethren. Hypocrisy, thy name is Fry. Anyone who looks at your posts, and is then persuaded as a result to follow your left of centre credo, must be easily swayed. But I did not convert, it was a paper transaction. It was not for pecuniary gain, it was to resolve an issue with my newborn son's nationality. Yes, I did declare the circumstances on another forum a few years ago, in a debate about religion. I think you overestimate my abilities. I doubt anyone is swayed by my opinions, it appears to me that people on here are very capable of articulating their views on here and are able to back them up. Unless of course they voted leave or Tory, where I have read no such thing. I must say, I do find your perpetual need to make comments like that just a tad disturbing. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 11:59:29 GMT
So you are both saying it was wrong for MP's in a Leave constituency to vote to Remain in Parliament? I'm lost now Oldie. This is not what you were arguing earlier in the Brexit campaign? You are being just a tad hypocritical here, just so that it suits your current argument. Where have I mentioned brexit? For the record, if a constancy voted leave, then yes their MP should honor that. On this one Hugo I disagree with you. On any issue, if an MP finds the facts and the circumstances inform a voting decision which is contrary to the majority of their constituents decision, they should step down, as they cannot represent those constituents. A view which informs the point I made about the remarks made by constituents in Caroline Flint's constituency. Given their views I cannot see how a progressive centre left MP or party could ever represent them. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 12:05:23 GMT
Oh but it does. It tells us that the hard right, racist and xenophobic members of our society feel entirely at home in the Conservative Party. That's what it tells us. Does it also tell us that the hard left, communist supporting murderers of over 200 million people are entirely at home in the Labour Party? Of course it doesn't and this is just nonsense talk. I think you are expanding history capture for dramatic effect. But yes, the hard left are entirely at home in a Momentum driven, ideologically driven, Labour Party as it is currently constituted. The party they resigned from under the leadership of Tony Blair, you know that's true. Will the hard right resign from or refrain from joining the Tories under Johnson? I think not, they have found their mainstream home. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 12:10:57 GMT
Does it also tell us that the hard left, communist supporting murderers of over 200 million people are entirely at home in the Labour Party? Of course it doesn't and this is just nonsense talk. I think you are expanding history capture for dramatic effect. But yes, the hard left are entirely at home in a Momentum driven, ideologically driven, Labour Party as it is currently constituted. The party they resigned from under the leadership of Tony Blair, you know that's true. Will the hard right resign from or refrain from joining the Tories under Johnson? I think not, they have found their mainstream home. Dramatic effect? Yet you claim that because Tommy Robinson supports the Tories it means that the Tories are extreme right-wing!.....and you accuse me of being dramatic! Strewth ! For your information Mr Robinson would not be allowed to join the Tory Party. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 19, 2019 12:17:45 GMT
I think you are expanding history capture for dramatic effect. But yes, the hard left are entirely at home in a Momentum driven, ideologically driven, Labour Party as it is currently constituted. The party they resigned from under the leadership of Tony Blair, you know that's true. Will the hard right resign from or refrain from joining the Tories under Johnson? I think not, they have found their mainstream home. Dramatic effect? Yet you claim that because Tommy Robinson supports the Tories it means that the Tories are extreme right-wing!.....and you accuse me of being dramatic! Strewth ! For your information Mr Robinson would not be allowed to join the Tory Party. Too moderate??  Trololol |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 12:20:13 GMT
I think you are expanding history capture for dramatic effect. But yes, the hard left are entirely at home in a Momentum driven, ideologically driven, Labour Party as it is currently constituted. The party they resigned from under the leadership of Tony Blair, you know that's true. Will the hard right resign from or refrain from joining the Tories under Johnson? I think not, they have found their mainstream home. Dramatic effect? Yet you claim that because Tommy Robinson supports the Tories it means that the Tories are extreme right-wing!.....and you accuse me of being dramatic! Strewth ! For your information Mr Robinson would not be allowed to join the Tory Party. Read your post? You quoted 200 million deaths? That wasn't for dramatic affect. You might be right about the thug that is Yaxely-Lennon, to help me out could you quote the Tory Membership rule that would disqualify him? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 12:22:30 GMT
Dramatic effect? Yet you claim that because Tommy Robinson supports the Tories it means that the Tories are extreme right-wing!.....and you accuse me of being dramatic! Strewth ! For your information Mr Robinson would not be allowed to join the Tory Party. Too moderate?? Trololol Probably. But the real reason is because he could not read the membership application form. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 12:30:00 GMT
So the PM has the full support of Tommy Robinson? Says it all really. It actually say nothing does it. It says that a racist nationalist thinks that the PM represents his interests. By comparison did Robinson give Swinson his full support? Or Corbyn? Or Theresa May? I wonder why? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 12:32:11 GMT
Dramatic effect? Yet you claim that because Tommy Robinson supports the Tories it means that the Tories are extreme right-wing!.....and you accuse me of being dramatic! Strewth ! For your information Mr Robinson would not be allowed to join the Tory Party. Read your post? You quoted 200 million deaths? That wasn't for dramatic affect. You might be right about the thug that is Yaxely-Lennon, to help me out could you quote the Tory Membership rule that would disqualify him? *sigh* Any political party can refuse membership to anyone they choose to. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 12:34:35 GMT
I think you are expanding history capture for dramatic effect. But yes, the hard left are entirely at home in a Momentum driven, ideologically driven, Labour Party as it is currently constituted. The party they resigned from under the leadership of Tony Blair, you know that's true. Will the hard right resign from or refrain from joining the Tories under Johnson? I think not, they have found their mainstream home. Dramatic effect? Yet you claim that because Tommy Robinson supports the Tories it means that the Tories are extreme right-wing!.....and you accuse me of being dramatic! Strewth ! For your information Mr Robinson would not be allowed to join the Tory Party. Maria Gatland was allowed to stand as a Tory councillor and the PM himself has used some colourful language at times, so I don’t think we can rule anything out at this stage. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 19, 2019 12:40:37 GMT
This thread does sadly reflect British politics at the moment.
I'm sure life would be better if people could agree on what is the common good for everyone and at that point we could start to work together on how to get there.
The constant war on both sides helps no one and solves nothing.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 19, 2019 12:48:57 GMT
This thread does sadly reflect British politics at the moment. I'm sure life would be better if people could agree on what is the common good for everyone and at that point we could start to work together on how to get there. The constant war on both sides helps no one and solves nothing. If you dont like this thread then go and live in the woods Hugo. You're just contributing to it you hypocrite. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 19, 2019 12:54:24 GMT
This thread does sadly reflect British politics at the moment. I'm sure life would be better if people could agree on what is the common good for everyone and at that point we could start to work together on how to get there. The constant war on both sides helps no one and solves nothing. If you dont like this thread then go and live in the woods Hugo. You're just contributing to it you hypocrite. Heh heh. Maybe I will start an alternative thread where people can talk about what they agree on.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 12:58:31 GMT
This thread does sadly reflect British politics at the moment. I'm sure life would be better if people could agree on what is the common good for everyone and at that point we could start to work together on how to get there. The constant war on both sides helps no one and solves nothing. Get used to it. It’s going to be like this for a long time I’m afraid. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 19, 2019 12:59:17 GMT
This thread does sadly reflect British politics at the moment. I'm sure life would be better if people could agree on what is the common good for everyone and at that point we could start to work together on how to get there. The constant war on both sides helps no one and solves nothing. Get used to it. It’s going to be like this for a long time I’m afraid. it doesnt have to be. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 13:03:37 GMT
Read your post? You quoted 200 million deaths? That wasn't for dramatic affect. You might be right about the thug that is Yaxely-Lennon, to help me out could you quote the Tory Membership rule that would disqualify him? *sigh* Any political party can refuse membership to anyone they choose to. They can of course. But the point you have proven is that you know of no rule, so your assertion that he would be denied membership is just your opinion with no basis in fact. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 13:07:13 GMT
This thread does sadly reflect British politics at the moment. I'm sure life would be better if people could agree on what is the common good for everyone and at that point we could start to work together on how to get there. The constant war on both sides helps no one and solves nothing. I am up for that. I am sure we would all agree that we want our country to be prosperous, freedom loving, welcoming and kind to all. All of us sharing the fruits of our country's prosperity. Agreed? Right, how do we achieve that...ooops |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 13:07:27 GMT
Get used to it. It’s going to be like this for a long time I’m afraid. it doesnt have to be. Not sure how you bring people together. We can discuss what we have in common but that will only be a fragile overlay to the simmering raw emotion of the Brexit debate. Does anybody actually even want moderate politics anyway? The right wing has a political majority. Brexit is a very right wing policy. The right has to make no political concessions at all so why should even acknowledge and tolerate the views of left wingers who might wish to concede ground? Rarely has the phrase to the victor the spoils been more appropriate |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 13:10:26 GMT
This thread does sadly reflect British politics at the moment. I'm sure life would be better if people could agree on what is the common good for everyone and at that point we could start to work together on how to get there. The constant war on both sides helps no one and solves nothing. I am up for that. I am sure we would all agree that we want our country to be prosperous, freedom loving, welcoming and kind to all. All of us sharing the fruits of our country's prosperity. Agreed? Right, how do we achieve that...ooops Prosperous is about the only thing we can agree on. Even then we might not because if everyone is doing well that will be seen as a challenge to business (wages too costly) and to the elites (people are less motivated to innovate and less motivated to work sh** jobs to keep vital services going). |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 19, 2019 13:11:54 GMT
This thread does sadly reflect British politics at the moment. I'm sure life would be better if people could agree on what is the common good for everyone and at that point we could start to work together on how to get there. The constant war on both sides helps no one and solves nothing. I am up for that. I am sure we would all agree that we want our country to be prosperous, freedom loving, welcoming and kind to all. All of us sharing the fruits of our country's prosperity. Agreed? Right, how do we achieve that...ooops I've started a thread. I'm not interested in how we get there (yet) just on what we can all agree are some basic minimums. |
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