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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 16, 2019 12:55:10 GMT
"Labour is stepping up its attack on the Tories on the NHS, claiming analysis reveals that staff are working a million hours of unpaid overtime every week because of under-staffing. Labour says the most recent NHS staff survey shows nearly 270,000 staff said they worked extra hours for free every week - at an average of 2.3 hours a week - and two thirds said their organisation had not enough staff for them to do their job properly. Doctors and dentists between them worked 125,000 hours a week (an average of 3.6 hours), allied health professionals such as occupational therapists and physiotherapists worked 210,000 (an average of 2.2 hours), and nurses worked 380,000 (an average of three hours)." news.sky.com/story/general-election-jeremy-corbyn-facing-labour-bust-up-over-immigration-policy-11862480 |
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Post by baggins on Nov 16, 2019 13:25:09 GMT
"Labour is stepping up its attack on the Tories on the NHS, claiming analysis reveals that staff are working a million hours of unpaid overtime every week because of under-staffing. Labour says the most recent NHS staff survey shows nearly 270,000 staff said they worked extra hours for free every week - at an average of 2.3 hours a week - and two thirds said their organisation had not enough staff for them to do their job properly. Doctors and dentists between them worked 125,000 hours a week (an average of 3.6 hours), allied health professionals such as occupational therapists and physiotherapists worked 210,000 (an average of 2.2 hours), and nurses worked 380,000 (an average of three hours)." news.sky.com/story/general-election-jeremy-corbyn-facing-labour-bust-up-over-immigration-policy-11862480You think Billionaire Johnson gives a sh** about them? Or any of us? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 16, 2019 13:58:35 GMT
"Labour is stepping up its attack on the Tories on the NHS, claiming analysis reveals that staff are working a million hours of unpaid overtime every week because of under-staffing. Labour says the most recent NHS staff survey shows nearly 270,000 staff said they worked extra hours for free every week - at an average of 2.3 hours a week - and two thirds said their organisation had not enough staff for them to do their job properly. Doctors and dentists between them worked 125,000 hours a week (an average of 3.6 hours), allied health professionals such as occupational therapists and physiotherapists worked 210,000 (an average of 2.2 hours), and nurses worked 380,000 (an average of three hours)." news.sky.com/story/general-election-jeremy-corbyn-facing-labour-bust-up-over-immigration-policy-11862480You think Billionaire Johnson gives a sh** about them? Or any of us? He cares the least as far as I see it. I think the unwritten question on polling day will be NHS or Brexit, which do you want more. Of course, it isn't that simple or extreme but the message of the election will be that. Vote Labour for the NHS but less or even no Brexit and vote Conservative for Brexit but less NHS. |
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Post by baggins on Nov 16, 2019 14:05:11 GMT
You think Billionaire Johnson gives a sh** about them? Or any of us? He cares the least as far as I see it. I think the unwritten question on polling day will be NHS or Brexit, which do you want more. Of course, it isn't that simple or extreme but the message of the election will be that. Vote Labour for the NHS but less or even no Brexit and vote Conservative for Brexit but less NHS. Or vote Tory, get a crap deal, with no NHS. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 14:24:04 GMT
He cares the least as far as I see it. I think the unwritten question on polling day will be NHS or Brexit, which do you want more. Of course, it isn't that simple or extreme but the message of the election will be that. Vote Labour for the NHS but less or even no Brexit and vote Conservative for Brexit but less NHS. Or vote Tory, get a crap deal, with no NHS. Dont forget, they like to double the debt whilst cutting spending....umm, yeah.😱🤡 |
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Post by baggins on Nov 16, 2019 14:53:16 GMT
Or vote Tory, get a crap deal, with no NHS. Dont forget, they like to double the debt whilst cutting spending....umm, yeah.😱🤡 But they're still sorting out the debt Labour left them. 10 years ago. These things take time. And now we have underfunded nurses, doctors (those we have left after sending them home), schools (why the teachers are complaining after a 2% pay rise to cover the last 7 years is beyond me, bloody scroungers), with next to no Police on the streets, but don't worry they're funding training for 10% new recruits which they cut by 90% in the first place. They're great, really really Dam great this lot. And have you noticed, every single promise has now gone being in place by 2020, to 2027? When they'd have all disappeared to their holiday homes in France? |
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 16, 2019 15:22:11 GMT
Nationalisation is a bit of a dirty word nowadays and people leap on it like it's a betrayal of the free market, and doomed to fail. Tell that to the shareholders of Lloyds TSB and the RBS, who were effectively nationalised and saved in the process. And ask rail users if they'd rather return to having the privateers of Railtrack in charge of the network instead of the nationalised Network Rail, which, for all its faults, has demonstrated massive improvements in investment, quality, and safety. And when will we stop blaming Gordon Brown for the global financial crash? This is a sort of urban myth mantra trotted out by so many people. It was caused by the US deregulation of banking, which most other Western economies felt they had to follow in order to keep up, a move initiated in the UK by a Tory government, and, most importantly, by the directors of Western banks so they could line their already bulging wallets. Whatever Brown did to allow Northern Rock to fail is totally irrelevant to employees of Lehman Brothers, and indeed the whole economies of Greece, Spain, Italy and several others. He should be credited (and is by many respected economists and political commentators) for saving the UK from the worst of the economic sh1tstorm that hit Europe subsequently. Astonishing to me how so many people still lap up this anti-Brown sh1t as if it had any credibility at all. Brown wasn’t responsible for the whole world recession, but he had nothing in the pot to help sort it all out which 10 years of labour government had spunked away keeping everyone at home instead on some kind of handout. Handouts which are difficult to remove once given. It’s created a generation of laziness with it. Brown may have saved his arse a little, but it came at the expense of tax payers and the grafters of this country. As regards nationalisation. The governments track record at running public services is absolutely terrible, whether labour or Tory ran governments that were in charge of it. To even suggest that it’s a good idea, let alone make the pledge to force companies into such an arrangement will scare business into recession before it even happens because it makes investment from those companies pointless. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 15:44:14 GMT
Nationalisation is a bit of a dirty word nowadays and people leap on it like it's a betrayal of the free market, and doomed to fail. Tell that to the shareholders of Lloyds TSB and the RBS, who were effectively nationalised and saved in the process. And ask rail users if they'd rather return to having the privateers of Railtrack in charge of the network instead of the nationalised Network Rail, which, for all its faults, has demonstrated massive improvements in investment, quality, and safety. And when will we stop blaming Gordon Brown for the global financial crash? This is a sort of urban myth mantra trotted out by so many people. It was caused by the US deregulation of banking, which most other Western economies felt they had to follow in order to keep up, a move initiated in the UK by a Tory government, and, most importantly, by the directors of Western banks so they could line their already bulging wallets. Whatever Brown did to allow Northern Rock to fail is totally irrelevant to employees of Lehman Brothers, and indeed the whole economies of Greece, Spain, Italy and several others. He should be credited (and is by many respected economists and political commentators) for saving the UK from the worst of the economic sh1tstorm that hit Europe subsequently. Astonishing to me how so many people still lap up this anti-Brown sh1t as if it had any credibility at all. Brown wasn’t responsible for the whole world recession, but he had nothing in the pot to help sort it all out which 10 years of labour government had spunked away keeping everyone at home instead on some kind of handout. Handouts which are difficult to remove once given. It’s created a generation of laziness with it. Brown may have saved his arse a little, but it came at the expense of tax payers and the grafters of this country. As regards nationalisation. The governments track record at running public services is absolutely terrible, whether labour or Tory ran governments that were in charge of it. To even suggest that it’s a good idea, let alone make the pledge to force companies into such an arrangement will scare business into recession before it even happens because it makes investment from those companies pointless. The causes of the financial crash of 2008 were very poor regulation and real estate mortgage fraud. It had absolutely nothing to with government spending, and for the record debt as a % of gdp was the same in 2007 as it was in 1997, this after a big uplift in public spending needed to dig public services out of the mire that the Tories had left them in. Like now. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 16, 2019 15:56:34 GMT
It gets worse. It's not just a chunk of BT they want. They also want chunks of Sky, Virgin and TalkTalk. "Asked what would happen to firms like Virgin Media, Sky and TalkTalk - which have invested large sums in broadband provision - Mr McDonnell suggested they would be nationalised if they did not bow to the new arrangements. Mr McDonnell said BT shareholders would be given government bonds in return for OpenReach being nationalised - with Parliament setting the price. When it was pointed out that government bonds currently have a 2 per cent return rather than the 7% return for BT shares, he said they were more stable. 'We will come to an agreement with them. It will either be an agreement of access arrangements, or working alongside us, or yes if necessary they can then come within the ambit of British Broadband,' he said. 'I think we can come to an agreement, but if necessary - they are only 10 per cent of the market.' Mr McDonnell made clear that would also involve Parliament setting the price and swapping shares for government bonds. 'Yes, if necessary there will be elements of compensation, but that will be subject to negotiation,' he said. " Eeeh I dunno, we've had 10 years of no-fun Tory rule full of austerity and rising inequality. If the whole country has to go to hell in a handbasket I'd rather it happened under crackpot policies like these that take everyone down with them rather death by a thousand cuts Brexit where the economy shrinks but the Conservative hardcore live to fight another day and do quite alright out of it. Basically I'd like to see something other than extreme right wing free market economics just to see how it pans out, for better or worse. But then, I don't have a lot to lose. Who said it’s fun trying to live within ones means. Austerity happened because the previous labour government spent and spent and spent. They wasted the best of the boom years. Give me a credit card and I’ll spend having fun to the cows come home, but eventually, it needs to be paid back. If the previous Tory government together with labour actually cracked on with sorting the deal straight away and worked together and the rest of the minority parties worked to a solution, any recessional impact could have happened by now, if there will be any at all. Problem is, most ministers are or were remainers. And We don’t know the real impact until it happens so any predictions of what may happen are nothing more than guesses. We are £1.9tr in the red and Corbyn wants to lavishly increase that as well as asking the slightly above average earners (£40k plus)who are actually skilled and qualified to pay more in tax to support these plans and the part time burger flippers That have no qualifications he wants to over pay to £15 per hour as well as give them a free life. So where is the ambition for these ones to go out and better themselves? It breeds a nanny state of under achievement and high debt. People slag Trump, and I agree, he’s not my cup of tea, but a good mate of mine in America speaks nothing highly of how he has cut everyone’s social security and forced people back into employment to earn a living and it’s had a positive effect on society. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 17:47:29 GMT
Eeeh I dunno, we've had 10 years of no-fun Tory rule full of austerity and rising inequality. If the whole country has to go to hell in a handbasket I'd rather it happened under crackpot policies like these that take everyone down with them rather death by a thousand cuts Brexit where the economy shrinks but the Conservative hardcore live to fight another day and do quite alright out of it. Basically I'd like to see something other than extreme right wing free market economics just to see how it pans out, for better or worse. But then, I don't have a lot to lose. Who said it’s fun trying to live within ones means. Austerity happened because the previous labour government spent and spent and spent. They wasted the best of the boom years. Give me a credit card and I’ll spend having fun to the cows come home, but eventually, it needs to be paid back. If the previous Tory government together with labour actually cracked on with sorting the deal straight away and worked together and the rest of the minority parties worked to a solution, any recessional impact could have happened by now, if there will be any at all. Problem is, most ministers are or were remainers. And We don’t know the real impact until it happens so any predictions of what may happen are nothing more than guesses. We are £1.9tr in the red and Corbyn wants to lavishly increase that as well as asking the slightly above average earners (£40k plus)who are actually skilled and qualified to pay more in tax to support these plans and the part time burger flippers That have no qualifications he wants to over pay to £15 per hour as well as give them a free life. So where is the ambition for these ones to go out and better themselves? It breeds a nanny state of under achievement and high debt. People slag Trump, and I agree, he’s not my cup of tea, but a good mate of mine in America speaks nothing highly of how he has cut everyone’s social security and forced people back into employment to earn a living and it’s had a positive effect on society. I think you might, perhaps, like to check your facts. Trump has added a $trillion dollars to the American national debt. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 16, 2019 17:58:45 GMT
Who said it’s fun trying to live within ones means. Austerity happened because the previous labour government spent and spent and spent. They wasted the best of the boom years. Give me a credit card and I’ll spend having fun to the cows come home, but eventually, it needs to be paid back. If the previous Tory government together with labour actually cracked on with sorting the deal straight away and worked together and the rest of the minority parties worked to a solution, any recessional impact could have happened by now, if there will be any at all. Problem is, most ministers are or were remainers. And We don’t know the real impact until it happens so any predictions of what may happen are nothing more than guesses. We are £1.9tr in the red and Corbyn wants to lavishly increase that as well as asking the slightly above average earners (£40k plus)who are actually skilled and qualified to pay more in tax to support these plans and the part time burger flippers That have no qualifications he wants to over pay to £15 per hour as well as give them a free life. So where is the ambition for these ones to go out and better themselves? It breeds a nanny state of under achievement and high debt. People slag Trump, and I agree, he’s not my cup of tea, but a good mate of mine in America speaks nothing highly of how he has cut everyone’s social security and forced people back into employment to earn a living and it’s had a positive effect on society. I think you might, perhaps, like to check your facts. Trump has added a $trillion dollars to the American national debt. Perhaps it was spent on all those detainment camps for orphaned Latino children. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 18:31:11 GMT
I think you might, perhaps, like to check your facts. Trump has added a $trillion dollars to the American national debt. Perhaps it was spent on all those detainment camps for orphaned Latino children. I was there last year when secret prisons, for children, were uncovered in New York State. I felt physically sick, a country I lived in and had a degree of admiration for, had come to this. Trump and Johnson are just f**king vile people. |
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Post by baggins on Nov 17, 2019 6:33:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 9:38:42 GMT
I listen to R4 in the mornings whilst driving. This morning was another hilarious example of Tories refusing to answer the question. R4 Interviewer "Over the last 9 years immigration from non EU countries far exceeded the amount for TOTAL immigration you set as a target. You had the ability to control that, why didnt you?" Andrea "I am a Parrot" Leadsom. "We will be introducing a points based system ...blah blah blah. Pathetic. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 9:44:58 GMT
Boris Johnson news - live: PM faces investigation over another affair as 'heartbroken' Arcuri turns on him and business leaders criticise Tory immigration plans flip.it/z4KSNkThing is, he is such a stupid looking ugly f**ker, it has to be the money, surely? |
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Post by peterparker on Nov 18, 2019 9:55:42 GMT
I listen to R4 in the mornings whilst driving. This morning was another hilarious example of Tories refusing to answer the question. R4 Interviewer "Over the last 9 years immigration from non EU countries far exceeded the amount for TOTAL immigration you set as a target. You had the ability to control that, why didnt you?" Andrea "I am a Parrot" Leadsom. "We will be introducing a points based system ...blah blah blah. Pathetic. yeah, refusing to answer the question and now talking about fairer immigration whilst hammering EU migration as being unfairly advantageous, despite letting in 4 times as many EU nationals
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 9:59:07 GMT
He cares the least as far as I see it. I think the unwritten question on polling day will be NHS or Brexit, which do you want more. Of course, it isn't that simple or extreme but the message of the election will be that. Vote Labour for the NHS but less or even no Brexit and vote Conservative for Brexit but less NHS. Or vote Tory, get a crap deal, with no NHS. Where has this idea that Brexit means the end of the NHS come from? It's just complete and utter nonsense. |
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Post by peterparker on Nov 18, 2019 10:57:24 GMT
more bollox from Conservative HQ
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 18, 2019 11:04:21 GMT
Watching Boris Johnson's CBI speech, just announced no further cuts to Corporation Tax, so keeps £6bn in the coffers.
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