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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 4:31:44 GMT
apple.news/AWVVFln0VSd2RloZWw4bV0wHere you go Eric, just think of all the Xbox games your tax payers money is going to buy Rachel. You must be seething  Hopefully we see her stacking shelves down Tesco soon, for the sake of the economy, like Oh dear. |
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Post by William Wilson on Nov 22, 2019 7:59:21 GMT
There`s a part of me, would like to see Corbyn get in with an overall majority.
All the people on here complaining about the wicked Tories; I`d like to see how happy they are in five years time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 8:17:02 GMT
There`s a part of me, would like to see Corbyn get in with an overall majority. All the people on here complaining about the wicked Tories; I`d like to see how happy they are in five years time. It's too scary to contemplate. Nearly 500 billion of extra spending, and that's only on the stuff they are willing to tell us ! Some people forget, that any money the government spend has to be paid for by the taxpayer at some point. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 8:24:35 GMT
There`s a part of me, would like to see Corbyn get in with an overall majority. All the people on here complaining about the wicked Tories; I`d like to see how happy they are in five years time. It's too scary to contemplate. Nearly 500 billion of extra spending, and that's only on the stuff they are willing to tell us ! Some people forget, that any money the government spend has to be paid for by the taxpayer at some point. True Like the £1trillion the Tories have added to the National Debt since 2010 |
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Post by peterparker on Nov 22, 2019 8:26:42 GMT
Watched this a few times and i am not sure the bloke asking the question really understands “I’d like to call out Labour as liars. I am one of the people he will tax more” This audience member, who earns over £80,000, criticises the taxation promises in the Labour Party manifesto. #bbcqt t.co/jKJtz2QlqLt.co/jKJtz2QlqL |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 8:44:49 GMT
apple.news/AWVVFln0VSd2RloZWw4bV0wHere you go Eric, just think of all the Xbox games your tax payers money is going to buy Rachel. You must be seething Hopefully we see her stacking shelves down Tesco soon, for the sake of the economy, like Are you one of The Corbyn groupies trolling this heavily pregnant young lady and trying to get her sacked? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 8:58:25 GMT
apple.news/AWVVFln0VSd2RloZWw4bV0wHere you go Eric, just think of all the Xbox games your tax payers money is going to buy Rachel. You must be seething Hopefully we see her stacking shelves down Tesco soon, for the sake of the economy, like Are you one of The Corbyn groupies trolling this heavily pregnant young lady and trying to get her sacked? She is Jewish. What do you expect from the anti-semitic party ? It's just the way they are. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 9:07:30 GMT
Watched this a few times and i am not sure the bloke asking the question really understands “I’d like to call out Labour as liars. I am one of the people he will tax more” This audience member, who earns over £80,000, criticises the taxation promises in the Labour Party manifesto. #bbcqt t.co/jKJtz2QlqLt.co/jKJtz2QlqLThe guy in the audience is correct. Labour talk about the top 5% and billionaires, but if you look at the small print in their manifesto, they are going after anyone earning more than 80k a year, and 80k a year is nowhere near the top 5%. Most billionaires in the UK no longer work so just how are you going to tax them? As an example, A certain Mr Landsdown has made his money, he no longer works, so just how are Labour going to tax him? |
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Post by William Wilson on Nov 22, 2019 9:11:03 GMT
It's too scary to contemplate. Nearly 500 billion of extra spending, and that's only on the stuff they are willing to tell us ! Some people forget, that any money the government spend has to be paid for by the taxpayer at some point. True Like the £1trillion the Tories have added to the National Debt since 2010 My comment above, applies to you as much as anybody. You were born to complain. If Corbyn does get in, you`ll have to replace your keyboard every couple of weeks. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 9:28:04 GMT
This is from the Guardian, so it must be true.... "Top 1% of earners in UK account for more than a third of income tax" The top 1% of earners in the UK now account for more than a third of income tax paid to the government, following changes over the past decade that have left almost half the population exempt from making payments. In research underlining the dual nature of Britain’s income tax structure, the Institute for Fiscal Studies said above-inflation increases in the personal allowance to £12,500 a year meant 42% of adults paid no income tax. The thinktank said the top 1% of all adults accounted for well over a third of income tax, adding that the tax and benefit system was progressive." GuardianSo, if the top 1% already contribute over 30% of Income Tax received by the government, just how much do the current top 5% already contribute? Looking around it looks as though the top 5% already contribute about 51% of all income tax received by the government. |
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Post by peterparker on Nov 22, 2019 9:40:54 GMT
Watched this a few times and i am not sure the bloke asking the question really understands “I’d like to call out Labour as liars. I am one of the people he will tax more” This audience member, who earns over £80,000, criticises the taxation promises in the Labour Party manifesto. #bbcqt t.co/jKJtz2QlqLt.co/jKJtz2QlqLThe guy in the audience is correct. Labour talk about the top 5% and billionaires, but if you look at the small print in their manifesto, they are going after anyone earning more than 80k a year, and 80k a year is nowhere near the top 5%. Most billionaires in the UK no longer work so just how are you going to tax them? As an example, A certain Mr Landsdown has made his money, he no longer works, so just how are Labour going to tax him? If you earn 81k you will pay about an extra 50 quid a year. Everything is relative i appreciate that, cost of living depending on where you live, so the 80 to 150k bracket it can be significant. I dont necessarily agree with labours tax plans, but always wonder why it always seems to be like a binary 5% change whenever higher tax brackets are changed. Why not be less binary. Why not say 42% between 80 and 150,45%% 150 to 250, 48% 250+ just as an example. No idea what that raise in tax revenue in comparison, but would spread thing out a bit instead of wham, you now pay an extra 5% on those additional earnings |
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Post by William Wilson on Nov 22, 2019 9:52:26 GMT
Are you one of The Corbyn groupies trolling this heavily pregnant young lady and trying to get her sacked? She is Jewish. What do you expect from the anti-semitic party ? It's just the way they are. If Corbyn`s spending plans make sense to people, and they intend to vote accordingly, then fine. But to vote for someone who once described Hamas as his "friends", is ( to me ) deeply troubling. That he` s even able to stand after saying this, is deeply troubling. If a politician once described the National Front as his friends, that would be it. Political career kaput. What does it say about our attitude to Jews, that we have such a candidate with a genuine shot at getting his hands on the reins of power? During WW2, the Jews on Guernsey were rounded up with the complicity of the local civilian leaders, and shipped off to continental Europe. Three of the women died in Auschwitz. I`ve often wondered if the same attitude would have prevailed, if the Nazis had occupied mainland Britain. Disturbingly, Corbyn gives me some idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 9:58:37 GMT
True Like the £1trillion the Tories have added to the National Debt since 2010 My comment above, applies to you as much as anybody. You were born to complain. If Corbyn does get in, you`ll have to replace your keyboard every couple of weeks. Belittling a perfectly valid viewpoint on the basis that I am just "complaining" is weak. At best. Now if you said, "look, your arguments dont add up, and here is how and why" in quantifiable numbers, then that would constitute a decent debate. But you dont, ever, do you. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 10:01:26 GMT
She is Jewish. What do you expect from the anti-semitic party ? It's just the way they are. If Corbyn`s spending plans make sense to people, and they intend to vote accordingly, then fine. But to vote for someone who once described Hamas as his "friends", is ( to me ) deeply troubling. That he` s even able to stand after saying this, is deeply troubling. If a politician once described the National Front as his friends, that would be it. Political career kaput. What does it say about our attitude to Jews, that we have such a candidate with a genuine shot at getting his hands on the reins of power? During WW2, the Jews on Guernsey were rounded up with the complicity of the local civilian leaders, and shipped off to continental Europe. Three of the women died in Auschwitz. I`ve often wondered if the same attitude would have prevailed, if the Nazis had occupied mainland Britain. Disturbingly, Corbyn gives me some idea. I share your discomfort on this point. Although there us an argument that it's not as one sided as is made out when it comes to the issues in the Middle East. But that's another argument. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 10:06:36 GMT
If Corbyn`s spending plans make sense to people, and they intend to vote accordingly, then fine. But to vote for someone who once described Hamas as his "friends", is ( to me ) deeply troubling. That he` s even able to stand after saying this, is deeply troubling. If a politician once described the National Front as his friends, that would be it. Political career kaput. What does it say about our attitude to Jews, that we have such a candidate with a genuine shot at getting his hands on the reins of power? During WW2, the Jews on Guernsey were rounded up with the complicity of the local civilian leaders, and shipped off to continental Europe. Three of the women died in Auschwitz. I`ve often wondered if the same attitude would have prevailed, if the Nazis had occupied mainland Britain. Disturbingly, Corbyn gives me some idea. I share your discomfort on this point. Although there us an argument that it's not as one sided as is made out when it comes to the issues in the Middle East. But that's another argument. It's not just the Middle East with Corbyn though is it... "Jeremy Corbyn was arrested in 1986 taking part in a protest by IRA sympathisers to “show solidarity” with accused terrorists including the Brighton bomber, a Sunday Times investigation reveals. Corbyn joined a picket outside the Old Bailey to oppose the “show trial” of a group including Patrick Magee, who was subsequently convicted of murdering five people at the 1984 Tory party conference. Magee was also convicted with the other defendants of planning a massive bombing campaign in London and seaside resorts." |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 22, 2019 10:35:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 10:37:20 GMT
As with practically every Labour policy, they sound good on paper, but when you drill down into the detail, they don't work.
Let's look at their plan to take 10% of every company employing more than 250 people. How will this work for say, the BMW plant in Swindon? Will Labour expect 10% of the total value of BMW, or 10% of the value of the BMW plant? Labour say this 10% would give the workers more money. All hail the workers, but if you were a BMW Accountant I'd imagine the advice you would give to the BMW Board would be along the lines of "either we give 10% of the plant away, or we move it and keep 100%". You do not need to be a businessman/accountant/economist to see where that decision will go.
So instead of the workers getting more money, they'd end up out of work. Extrapolate that across many other industries and it is obvious that this policy will not work. For a wholly owned British company, they'd lose 10% of the value of their business, but the multi-nationals, the big boys, will just move away resulting in massive job losses across the country.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 10:39:11 GMT
I can't read it as it's behind a firewall, but to answer the question, yes he is. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 22, 2019 10:39:36 GMT
There`s a part of me, would like to see Corbyn get in with an overall majority. All the people on here complaining about the wicked Tories; I`d like to see how happy they are in five years time. It's too scary to contemplate. Nearly 500 billion of extra spending, and that's only on the stuff they are willing to tell us ! Some people forget, that any money the government spend has to be paid for by the taxpayer at some point. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 22, 2019 10:40:52 GMT
I can't read it as it's behind a firewall, but to answer your question, yes he is. I'd like to hear why you think so. Is Jeremy Corbyn really anti-Semitic? Geoffrey Alderman Jeremy Corbyn 8 May 2019 12:08 PM TwitterFacebookLinkedInWhatsapp Is Jeremy Corbyn an anti-Semite? I began researching the answer to this question well before Danny Finkelstein’s recent revelation in the Times that eight years ago Corbyn had written a glowing foreword to a new edition of Imperialism: A Study, written by the radical economist John Atkinson Hobson, first published in 1902. Context is paramount. That’s why I feel obliged to censure Finkelstein’s exposé. We all know what Hobson thought of Jews and capitalism. But to conclude – as Finkelstein does – that in writing the foreword Corbyn had praised a ‘deeply anti-Semitic book’ is to give a totally false impression of what this influential study is actually about. In a text running to almost 400 pages there are merely a dozen or so lines which we would call anti-Semitic. There was absolutely no need for Corbyn to have drawn attention to them in his foreword. It’s quite true that the Labour Party that Corbyn leads has been dogged in recent years with incidents in which a significant number of its members, after being publicly pilloried as anti-Semites, have been expelled from the party. Worse than that, earlier this year a group of MPs resigned from the party, citing rampant anti-Semitism and a failure to deal with it as one of the reasons for their departure. The group included the Jewish MP Luciana Berger, and also the non-Jewish MP Joan Ryan, formerly chair of Labour Friends of Israel. In her resignation speech, Ryan suggested that the ‘huge shame’ of anti-Semitism did not exist until Corbyn became party leader. Criticising Corbyn for ‘presiding over a culture of anti-Semitism and hatred of Israel,’ Ryan insisted that ‘Over the past three years… the Labour party under Jeremy Corbyn has become infected with the scourge of anti-Jewish racism. This problem simply did not exist in the party before his election as leader.’ Really? After all, hasn’t anti-Jewish racism existed in the party since its creation, over a century ago? In the late 19th century, wasn’t the trade-union movement (out of ‘the bowels’ of which the party emerged, as Ernie Bevin once graphically observed) positively riddled with such prejudice? Weren’t leading socialist activists – for instance Sidney and Beatrice Webb – unashamed exponents of it? To point to these irrefutable facts is neither to excuse such racism nor to imply that it wasn’t present in other political parties. Indeed it was and still is. But my present concern is with Jeremy Corbyn, by which I mean Corbyn the person. For whilst it’s one thing to accuse him of being ‘soft’ on anti-Semitism, tolerating it and even befriending some of its exponents, it’s quite another to level the charge against him personally. What truth – if any – could there possibly be in such an accusation? The fact of the matter is that Corbyn has an impressive record of supporting Jewish communal initiatives. For instance he was recently supportive of Jewish efforts to facilitate the speedy issue of death certificates by the north London coroner. In 2015 he took part in a ceremony in his Islington constituency to commemorate the founding of the North London Synagogue. In 2010 he put his name to an Early Day Motion (tabled by Diane Abbott) calling on the UK government to facilitate the settlement of Yemeni Jews in Britain. Indeed I could fill this entire article with a list of philo-Semitic EDMs that Corbyn has signed since he was first elected as Labour MP for Islington North in 1983. In 1987 the West London Synagogue approached Islington Council with a startling proposal: to sell its original cemetery to property developers, destroying the gravestones and digging-up and reburying the bodies lying under them. This cemetery (dating from 1840) was not merely of great historic and architectural interest – in the view of orthodox Jews, the deliberate destruction of a cemetery is sacrilegious. So when Islington Council granted the planning application, a Jewish-led and ultimately successful campaign was launched to have the decision reversed. I was part of that campaign. So was Jeremy Corbyn. Meanwhile, the then-leader of Islington Council (1982-92), whose decision to permit the destruction of the cemetery was eventually overturned, was none other than Margaret Hodge (though it is unclear whether she personally was in favour of the proposal). I have deliberately omitted from this discussion any consideration of Corbyn’s attitude to Zionism and whether anti-Zionism is inherently anti-Semitic. All I will say here – as a proud Zionist – is that in my view context is, again, paramount. I will agree that from time to time, as backbench MP and party leader, Corbyn has acted unwisely. But the grounds for labelling him an anti-Semite simply do not exist. |
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